Video - weave your crosses faster

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  1. Irvin

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  2. drakulie

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    Irvin, that is an awesome TIP/TRICK. Most excellent. :)

    Thanks for sharing.
     
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  3. armsty

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    I laughed very hard when I saw this.

    I wonder why this hasn't been more commonly done. The only reason I can see this being ignored is because of the time taken to get the string and set it up, but if you do that once it's ready to go every time i'd assume?
     
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    This is better than the Stringway Tool that costs over a hundred. You should patent it, Irvin.
     
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  5. armsty

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    A good shoelace should do the trick. I have two rackets to string for customers tomorrow, might give it a go!
     
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  6. Irvin

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    Wow now that is a cool idea. Do you think anyone would buy it or just make their own?

    Irvin
     
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  7. armsty

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    It's too simple to buy, all one needs is a shoelace and that's it. Irvin you're a deadset legend though.
     
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    Now that the "cat is out of the bag", I think people will make their own, but very nice of you to share.

    Seriously, that is a great tip,,,,,,, especially for beginner stringers. Only down side would be that they will probably never get better at weaving. :)

    And I agree with armsty, you are a legend with great KUNG FU POWERS. :)
     
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  9. Irvin

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    That was my first idea too. But then I remembered I had some cotton string so I tried that. I believe you are going to need something small in diameter so it will not catch on the mains when you pull on it. For the return especially. I used about four feet for each loop and it seemed to work fine.

    I may go to Home Depot and pick up some more string to try the next time. I am thinking maybe something about the same gauge as tennis string for the pulling string and something as small as I can get for the return string.

    I would appreciate it if anyone comes up with something that works for them to post it here for everyone.

    Irvin
     
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    I am gong to have to disagree with both of you there. You still have to weave half the strings yourself. If or when you get good enough get rid of the string. Until then use the string.

    Irvin
     
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  11. austinjbrunner

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    Very nice trick Irvin. I may give this a shot. Being a beginner, this would help....
     
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    I would think that butcher's twine--the kind used to tie and truss meat and poultry--would be the perfect string to use. You should be able to pick a ball of this up at any grocery store.

    And can't you weave both directions if you simply use two strings, one for each side of the frame? I'm going to try this tonight.
     
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    Irvin, cool trick. I think I may give it a try as well. Quick question though, why do you have to weave half the strings?

    Thanks
     
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  14. Irvin

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    Because the string goes over and under the same mains. Only every other string goes over and under the same mains.

    Irvin
     
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    Very Nice - as Drak said - knocks that stringway weave tool into a cocked hat!

    Ash
     
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    Ingenious. :)
     
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    I want to make sure everyone understands me this string only works one way were the Stringway tools works both ways. Of course the string is about $100 cheaper. I do not plan to use this stringing method much because I think I can weave pretty quick so it does not save me a lot of time. I am stringing another racket with some nylon mason string and there are some problems so I may make another video to explain the method a little better.

    Irvin
     
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    hahahaha

    what fools we all have been for so long!@!@

    brilliant, elegant, simple.

    nice stuff Irvin!!

    thanks again!
     
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  19. charliefedererer

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    As soon as you see it, you think, "Why haven't I and a thousand others thought of that?"

    But how readily apparent that it works and the simplicity are the ingenious parts of it.

    Thanks for posting.
     
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  20. audioaffliction

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    Irvin, what about using a second string on the other side of the racquet? Wouldn't that get you both directions or am I missing something?
     
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  21. drakulie

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    The second pull string would get in the way and block you from pulling the string thru.
     
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  22. Irvin

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    You can try but it will not work. It will be easier for you to see it by doing it than me to explain it.

    Irvin
     
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    WOW!, and I actually think it could work with any string. If it is causing some damage just do it diagonal and slowly, it would definitely be faster than weaving. Seriously WOW. The problem with having another "puller" on the other direction is that (it seems) that you will cross the string and initial "puller", or maybe not.

    EDIT: I think the best way to do it is to use the "puller" like this: Tension the first cross, use the "puller" on the second cross (that should be hard) and then weave manually the next string that has the same up-down pattern than the tensioned one. It is basically the pre weaving system reverse.
     
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  24. onehandbh

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    Woah! This is cool. I'll have to give it a try!
    Irvin should get instant GOAT status.
     
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    I have been playing around with this a little more and getting much better at it. Here is another video I loaded on YouTube about it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tuc5ISysro

    I hate that this video is such poor quality. I start out the HD and end up on YouTube with junk. Any suggestions?

    Irvin
     
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  26. David123

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    Wow Genious! would this work with a 2pt mount machine?
     
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    Brilliant! Simply brilliant!

    Now I am going to have to throw away my Stringway Cross-stringer.

    Anybody want it?
     
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  28. scotus

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    Relax, I was just kidding about the Stringway tool.
     
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  29. SirGounder

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    Dude that is crazy. I will have to try that tomorrow. Like you said I think it will really come in handy toward the bottom of the racquet. Thanks for sharing that!
     
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    this is an awesome idea. Nice job Irvin
     
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    Irvin poster of the year award!Wow
     
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  32. Irvin

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    I have found a way to get HD video on youtube and have updated the two videos on youtube. If you are interested here are the links. There are the same videos as before just higher quality.

    I have updated the initial post of the urls for the better videos and deleted the reference to the old videos.

    Irvin
     
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  33. fgzhu88

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    why not?? unless you can weave both soft and hard weaves in under 1 second..

    seriously, this method should become a standard weaving practice. I see no disadvantages whatsoever.
     
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    ^^ I have tried to explain this a couple of time and it is a little hard to explain. Try it and you will see immediately.

    Irvin
     
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    I'm stunned... probably one of the best tips ever I've gotten off this board. Thanks!!!
     
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    Isn't there a way to setup the string so it has TWO loops (one at each end) and you can pull it both ways?

    The string may have to be a bit longer and you'd anchor it on both sides of the stringer/frame but it seems in theory that it could work in both directions provided the "loop" was available?
     
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  38. Irvin

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    Seems like everyone wants to do that but it is impossible to do with one string.

    Irvin
     
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  39. jmnk

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    not really as the cross strings in the other directions need to go exactly the opposite way vs. the just pulled one. I mean if the cross ended 'over' the main on your last pull it will have to go 'under' on the next cross. So I can't see how it would be possible to do this trick for all crosses.

    It is still nothing short of brilliant.
     
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    This is the coolest thing I've seen in a long time. I'm a bit surprised no one has thought of this before now. The simplest things are the best!!
     
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  41. Kostas

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    Duh...this makes perfect sense. Sorry for the stupid question.
     
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  42. iplaybetter

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    very cleaver
     
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  43. frosty8722

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    This is utter genius.
    I'm a 16 year old new stringer and I definitely find this useful. DEFINITELY going to give this a try on my next string job, and might stick with it from now on.
     
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  44. autumn_leaf

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    wow...that's freaking ingenious. i would have never thought of that. and i don't see why anyone would think of that lol.

    this might not help with stringing time for people that are good with weaving, but it will definitely help my fingers when i have to do multiple rackets in a night.

    THANK YOU!!! <3
     
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  45. Irvin

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    I really do not think this will improve your time if you are a good weaver. Most of the time on the crosses is spent finding the end of your string and pulling the cross through the mains after you weave it.

    If you are looking to save some time always weave one ahead. When I do this I like to pull the second string through the mains to reduce friction on the strings. At that point if you drop the string on the floor you have to find the end to start the next cross. That takes time. If you hold the string in your hand it will always get caught on something and get pulled out of your hand so you still have to find that end.but if you only pull the second cross through about 1 foot the end it right there.

    You could also take the end and start the third cross and let the racket hold the end too.

    Irvin
     
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  46. autumn_leaf

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    i don't know why you quoted me on this. i agreed with it in my post that it wouldn't save time. it would help my fingers from getting raw since it cuts in half the pushing of a pointy string across a stringbed.
     
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  47. Irvin

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    ^^ Sorry I was not trying to start a discussion but just give the post some continuity.

    Irvin
     
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  48. NoobWannabe

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    someone please sticky this !
     
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  49. BlueTennis

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    no longer will i fear weaving those last crosses with a poly string. well done, sir.
     
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    Good idea...though ill still weave like usual
     
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