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  1. tlm

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    Here is another clip from yesterday hitting with my wife. This has better camera location to see the shots. I am working hard on the 2 handed backhand so any tips are welcome.

    My forehand is probably going to be a little weird forever, but I have worked on lowering it's trajectory. Also I am hitting most of my shots around the serve line on purpose so they are not so high. My wife can handle the high shots but she hits a lower ball much better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_8BhaC8FZ0
     
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  2. ProgressoR

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    You moonball your BH too as well as FH? :)
     
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  3. Maximagq

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    Sorry your first sentence made me laugh because you forgot to include "with" :) overall it looks better, though some of your backhands still have a big loopy trajectory and I feel you can flatten it out more. Not bad hitting though and the forehand trajectory improved.
     
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  4. happyloman

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    nice hitting


    that silo/lighthouse is annoying.
     
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  5. tlm

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    Thanks fixed the hitting the wife line. Your right looping the backhand to much, I can drive it flatter at times. But I am trying to really get consistent with it so combine that with my built in auto loop and this is what happens.
     
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  6. tlm

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    Ya if thats what you call it.
     
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    You are probably going to need to have a coach help you with this. At this point, your muscle memory is probably so ingrained that you need to do drills with hand-feeding to correct your timing. Trust me, I know where you're coming from... my serve has major fundamental issues and I am trying hard to train new muscle memory.

    For your forehand, I see you hitting way too close to the side of your body. Especially for such an extreme grip. If you made contact further out in front, I think the ball would flatten out after a few repetitions.

    Because of that contact point, you are unable to engage the kinetic chain correctly. If you watch your video closely, you will also notice that you lean backwards lifting your upper body/head on almost every shot -- both forehand and backhand. That also will open up the racquet face.

    If your contact point was further out in front, you wouldn't feel the natural instinct to open the body backwards/upwards... because you wouldn't feel jammed on every shot.

    It's almost like a golfer who is teeing off with the ball too close to his body. The golfer would need to lift his body/shoulders backwards and upwards in order to attempt clean contact. Otherwise, the club head would bury itself three inches into the pitch.
     
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  8. FedTheMan

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    Dang man, that is two of the best things about life in one: a wife and tennis. You are lucky to have a spouse to play tennis with and she is very consistent. Your BH looks pretty good and is consistently deep. Your trajectory has definitely gotten better and keep it up.
     
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  9. tlm

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    I have to say that you make some good points. But are all of these forehands that bad? I was trying to hit them shorter and flatter so my wife could hit better, I was not going all out and trying to hit my hardest forehands.
     
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  10. Maximagq

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    I like your forehands that clear the net by three feet because that is a good margin.
     
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    dude I think its a nuclear power plant
     
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    Well, they aren't "bad", per se. They loop, they spin, they fall in safely. They will give some players trouble. You can handle yourself in rallies. If that's good enough, then you're all set. You don't need anything else.

    That's plenty good enough for most people, I think.

    I was really only offering observation because your post said that you are somewhat resigned to your forehand being "weird" and that you've tried to work on it. It seemed to bother you, so I was just offering a bit of observation to see if maybe you see what I see.

    But you are at a totally fine level and if it makes you happy and you feel competitive and healthy... then there's no reason to change anything at all.

    Just go forth and embrace your weirdness. :)
     
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    Well I describe it as weird because it is strange, but it is fairly effective. On the other hand you did make some really good points. I have been working on flattening it out more, and you are right hitting the ball farther away does help.

    Both out in front more and out to the side more does help, but like I said i was purposely hitting most of these forehands shorter so my wife could hit a better shot. Because the backhand is what I am working on mostly right now. But I never quit trying to improve and I am still working on improving the forehand, and you make good points about opening up to much because of being jammed.

    So I am far from done on improving my forehand and all the other shots that make this game such a challenge.
     
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  14. tlm

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    Thanks its a work in progress and you are right I am lucky to have a built in hitting partner. My wife is a 4.0 level player and plays a lot of mixed doubles so she can handle mens shots pretty well.

    We both play a lot of tennis she is at a match right now, but we spend a lot of time just hitting around like in the video and working on our weak points.
     
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  15. tlm

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    Thanks I have been working hard on bringing the trajectory down.
     
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    Your forehands get some monster kick off these courts, I can see a huge difference between indoors and outdoors from your videos. Must be very tricky for your opponents to deal with.
     
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    Cool.

    +10looks_betters
     
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    Yes outside gives much better kick than inside does, especially if the sun is out and above 80 degrees. You are correct these jumping shots are not fun to hit, I was not hitting that many high kicking loopers to make rally's easier to maintain.

    Thats why it is humorous when I get accused of hitting weak moonballs, I believe that if these critics were facing these shots they would have a different opinion. Plus I would be hitting more shots that kick higher than the ones in this video.

    That is what some here don't understand, my looping shots are very effective against most players. But I have been working on the flatter trajectory for when the court opens up i can put the ball away with the flatter more penetrating shot. So I use the looping shots from side to side and especially work the backhand and will force a lot of short balls, which then I move in and flatten out the trajectory.
     
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  19. Fxanimator1

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    You aren't loading up your body on your forehand.
    Your left arm is just kind of hanging there and you're right arm is doing all of the work.
    There's no sign of the uncoiling your hips and shoulders into the shot. I think the reason you are not uncoiling, is because you didn't properly coil/load energy in the first place.
    If you watch the video below and then watch yours, you can see when(how early) Grigor rotates his shoulders into the shot, compared to yours.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZNfUTnBjAk
     
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  20. mawashi

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    I got one more point to add... put on a shirt lol!
     
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  21. Bendex

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    Those strokes look like a lot of effort. Do you find yourself fatiguing in the second set? This could become a big issue as you get older and your muscles aren't able to sustain stress for long. I would continue to work on technique if I was you.
     
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  22. tlm

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    What you consider older? I don't really notice fatigue in the 2nd set, maybe the 3rd. I do need to use more body and less arm because hitting a lot of spin is tiring.
     
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  23. Fxanimator1

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    It has everything to do with your timing of the uncoil....basically, you're not.
     
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  24. tlm

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    I am going out to hit this evening and will try to get some uncoil into the swing.
     
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    tlm, you take quite a lot of stick in your threads, I respect that you take it on the chin and take what you can on board and also understand what limitations your technique may have. I was pulling your leg about moonballing btw, but the trajectory is a bit high on quite a few BH :)
     
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  26. tlm

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    Ya you have to be able to take some abuse if you post video, just got home from a hitting session with a friend that is a very solid player with a great 2 hander. I was hitting the backhand pretty well but he said the same thing drive through it more and bring the trajectory down.

    I used to hit the net a lot when I was learning the game, but then I learned how to hit topspin and realized that I can swing out and keep the ball in even with high net clearance. So once I could hit with this new found consistency I hit high with a lot of spin and took the net out of the picture. But obviously I have went a little overboard, so now I am working on bringing it down.
     
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