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  1. dizzlmcwizzl

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    Please watch the attached video and offer constructive criticism on the manner in which I construct points and how I might improve my singles game tactics. Singles Video - 3.14.2012. Additional details are below if you are interested.

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    I am a strong 4.0 doubles player in our district. I have lost 27 pounds since Thanksgiving in preparation for our upcoming season (related thread). I intend to lose another 27 pounds by the end of May.

    The video was taken Sunday 03.04.2012 and includes all 127 points we played over 90 minutes. I played one of the best 3 singles players in our district and he was beating me by one game 7-5, 3-4 when time ran out. In truth I fell like I played well (for me) and he had an average day. Generally I should not be that close to him. I have edited the video and moved the quick points to the end ... ie, all of our aces, DF's, return errors were moved to the back so that the interesting points were left up front.

    My game plan was to serve big and vary my placement because he returns well off both wings. I wanted to keep balls deep because he absolutely punishes short balls. I also wanted to come to the net effectively. He is so good with a target at the net that I wanted to either surprise him or come in only when I had the advantage. For the most part I worked my game plan but he is just better than me and despite having 4-1 leads in both sets he was able to keep me from closing it out.

    The serve / return stats ...

    67% first serve percentage, 80% second serve percentage, 7 aces and 4 DFs

    78% of serves returned in play
     
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  2. LeeD

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    Looking good.
    You seem to be able to hit more forcing shots, but tend to trade rallies, which often get's you in trouble with your short balls.
    Hopefully, you'll work on your serve, which is not weak, but almost the same as that skinny guy in the orange shirt's. You seem to rotate your shoulders into the serve too early, mistiming a few, but losing potential swingspeed every time.
    I know, having watched your vid, you must think you need to improve your serve, watching that guy's horrid motion yet still almost the same speed as yours.
    You move great for anyone over 200lbs. Imagine if you weighed 190.
     
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    Nice, top end of 4.0? You seem to dictate with your forehand well, you had a few balls that you looked like you wanted to flatten out your backhand but you pulled off. I think you can serve and volley even more than you do, your serve elicits a nice return most of the time. Do you not like moving forward into the court to hit overheads? You had a couple floaters that you could have stepped in and hit if you wanted to, you took them with a forehand which seems to work too.
     
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    that double handed FH he brings out every now and then must be annoying!

    Anyway, I quite like the way you strike the ball, but I think you are a bit predictable with your CC FH esp. It's a good shot, but you pretty much do it every time. I am sure you are quite capable of hitting it 'inside out', so I would suggest doing that every now and then as your opponent is moving before you have even hit the ball a lot of the time.

    I agree with the S & V suggestion, too. You seem to volley well and he hits them back up the middel on return a lot, so...

    your mileage may vary!
     
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  5. dizzlmcwizzl

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    Actually anyone that would watch us live would never put our serves in the same category. I put all of our "short points" at the end of the video. Since most of the first serves I got in were not returned that is where most of my first serves ended up. If you only watched the first few minutes you only saw one 1st serve. The rest were second serves that were played and resulted in decent rallys. The short points start at the 9:00 minute mark and this is where my first serves can be found.
     
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    Indoor Tactics:

    If the net screens are pulled mix in a few angled serves to force your opponent into the mesh.

    Observations:

    Great attacking of his serve I loved all the big cuts you took. I really think you made a good choice.

    That counter punching two handed forehand is nasty. He can take all your pace and spit it right back at ya.
     
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  7. dizzlmcwizzl

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    We were both early start bumped to 4.5 in September. But the team we narrowly lost to in sectionals did poorly at nationals and our entire team got moved down with the year end adjustments.

    I exclusively serve and volley in doubles .. and I do this against guys that do not return as well as he does. But this guy loves a man at the net. If you watch closely I think I only win about 40% of my net points in this match even though I am trying to be selective in my approaches.

    That is a good point about moving forward for overheads ... I really prefer to backpedal into overhead position. Moving forward I would rather volley or hit forehands.
     
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    I hate that 2HFH. I always think I can work him wide but he tracks them down. The result is that he hits a solid spinny ball.

    As far as the CC FH ... I rarely try to run around the ball so it does not occur to me to run around and take forehands. But as I lose weight and move a little quicker I will try to mix that in more.
     
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  9. tennismonkey

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    great video dizzl! thanks for sharing.

    your serve and forehand for 4.0 is laughably too good. against 90% of the 4.0 crowd i'm sure they just can't even handle those two parts of your game. this guy however (not completely) absorbed your pace really well.

    i thought for as good as your topspin backhand is - it's still where you give up the most unforced and forced errors and return errors. also thought you had opportunities to run around your backhand and hit inside out forehands but i don't think i saw one.

    there's no way that guy's serve was within 15-20 mph of yours. yours had much more pace on flat serves and much more kick on topspin serves.
     
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    I jumped right into the 11th minute, and from there it seems like you guys hit an aweful lot into the net, mostly 1-2 shots points! hehe But good game.
     
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    Thank you ... the backhand has gotten a lot better. In my mind it looks much prettier in my head than on the tape. It seems to me that about 1 in 3 backhands look more or less like I want them but the other 2/3rds are not very good.

    As far as running aorund the backhand a couple have mentioned that and I am going to try and introduce that some more. Until now I have not felt quick or fit enough to do that. Now that I am down some weight I am starting to approach the point where I could do this when a chance to take control of a pont comes up.
     
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  13. dizzlmcwizzl

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    Yea ... I purposely put the more interesting points in the front figuring that most people would not get past the first couple minutes. Also if I was upfront about it I figured the interested folks would fast forward to the bad parts.

    Any who, in 90 minutes (minus warm ups) we played a total of 127 points. 45 points lasted 4 or more strokes with 82 lasting 3 or fewer strokes. It is obvious (to me) that my game is more of a high risk and sometimes get rewarded game. The result is that whenever I play, or whoever I play, most of the points are short. In this game I actually tried to rally with him a little more than I normally would since I thought if I went to the net 90% of the time was a losing strategy.
     
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    Great playing and great vid (nice dissolves!). You have GREAT hands and use them well. I think I may have said this before, but you consistently fall back when hitting your groundies. This requires excellent timing to do well, and you manage it well. But if you were to move forward into the ball, you would be more consisten and generate more pace and spin without requiring more effort. If you notice, your best BHs and BH returns where hit while you were moving into the ball.

    If you were to get more comfortable moving into the ball (and taking it on the rise) you would kill.

    Thanks for the vid--that was fun to watch.
     
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    STAT MONKEY:

    Dizzlmcwizzl
    Aces: 6
    Double Faults: 4
    Service Winners: 15
    Winners: 8 (5 FH, 1 BH, 2 FH VOLLEY)
    Unforced Errors: 39 (21 FH, 18 BH)
    Total Points Won: 59

    Orange Guy
    Aces: 0
    Double Faults: 2
    Service Winners: 12
    Winners: 11 (10 FH, 1 BH)
    Unforced Errors: 28 (18 FH, 10 BH)
    Total Points Won: 66

    * I'm missing 2 of the 127 points you said you played. Either I missed em or they were missing from the video. Either way I think the stats are interesting.
     
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    You looks good, but you need much more agility, work on aerobic exercise.

    Your backhand is inconsitent sometimes, you need more height at the net, work on topspin.

    Don´t hit low the ball, more on the rise, you have the iniciative in some points but later you don´t know how finish.

    The most important problem are your slow movements.
     
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    you do realize he's 265 pounds in this video right? when 265 pounds you be, move as well you will not.

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    WOW ... thanks
     
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    I felt that you were going for a lot on during many of the rallies, even when the opponent hit a pretty good shot. The bad thing about being a hard-hitting player is that you need to go for a lot because you will eventually lose in a long
    rally.

    So, my suggestion for you is to work on your recognition of short balls and taking risks to put away those shorter balls, while hitting a deeper, more defensive ball from behind the baseline (a 70% effort rally ball). That way, you try to get more winners and less errors. As a starting point, I would say try coming forward on any ball that bounces inside the service box. It sometimes helps to be closer to the baseline, but to hit softer so that your balls are coming back faster even though you are swinging less. However, this would require you to work on hitting on the rise. I do this because I want to get to the net faster

    Also, a lot of opponents will adjust to seeing only fast balls (by timing their preparation), and by selectively applying the heat, you can catch the opponent off guard, or at least make them work harder.

    Off topic a little, but it looked to me that you were often a little slow to prepare on the forehand side
     
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    Thanks again for doing this. I would have done it for myself eventually but I do find this very interesting.

    Generally I think this supports my general feeling that I was the aggressor in the match. My opponent commented after the match that throughout he felt like he was just retrieving and waiting for my mistakes.

    Also, because I do not run around my backhand very often, I tend to have equal errors on both sides. Perhaps, as has been pointed out, if I ran around the backhand and moved forward into short balls I could press my advantage a little better and draw down the UEs.
     
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    This is why I posted the video ... I don't see these things myself and when someone points it out it seems so clear. I do feel better and get better results when I am moving forward.

    I think am going to spend a good bit of time over the next few weeks stressing my footwork and general forward movement.
     
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  22. UCSF2012

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    Lots of tactics available:

    1) your opponent is exclusively a baseliner. Not one point won at net. Pull him into the net with a short ball

    2) your opponent is erratic with high balls and VERY erratic with low balls. Develop a low bouncing slice (your slice is weak because they float and bounce high). Throw in some flat forehands every once in a while because they don't bounce as high.

    3) he doesn't effectively return serves into the body.

    4) stop giving him pace. Can't you see that he lives off pace?

    5) Try this combo. Loopy deep shot to his forehand. Flat block short to his backhand.
     
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    Nice game. This is a very nicely done video. almost too good. i mean having all great points stacked in the beginning made me wonder for a moment where are those players where 4.0 play like this.

    you've mentioned 'Generally I think this [stats] supports my general feeling that I was the aggressor in the match.' I suppose that is one way of looking at it. another would be 'the opponent was much better at playing within his means'. He's hit as many winners, his serve was almost as effective, and he made way fewer errors. What i'm getting at is that sometimes the feeling may be 'if it wasn't for the error here and there I would have won' - but that is the gist of it, you can't just dismiss the fact that your style is hit-or-miss, and for now you miss more often.

    Not criticizing or anything, it was a pleasure to watch.
     
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    These are nice suggestions ... unfortunately I have two problems. I don't own a soft game so taking pace off is something I don't have access to now and will need to develop.

    The second problem is that after watching the video I noticed that he struggled with short, low balls to his backhand side. Next time I play him I will try and exploit that. However, this is not something I noticed mid match. I wonder what strategies I could employ to figure out these opportunities against other opponents.
     
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    dizzl just a few thoughts.

    the total points won differential was 7. but in tennis - you winning just 4 more points swings that in your favor. which corresponds to the very close scoreline.

    orange guy had 28 errors. i hesitate to say unforced for all of them because the aggressor throughout the match was you. orange made a lot of errors that to my eyeballs i doubt he makes when not facing your go for broke style. on medium paced rally balls - orange looks very capable of moving the ball around and taking control.

    also note that of the 12 service winners orange had - you had your racquet on all of them. for many of these you could call them return errors on your part. winning even half of these (6) points could have swung the match in your favor.
     
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  26. J_R_B

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    Dizz,

    I only watched the "interesting" points, but the biggest difference that I noticed between the two of you was footwork. Your footwork is actually pretty good for a big guy, but you can notice a big difference in his ability to recover qucikly and prepare for the next point and yours. You worked him out wide and back and forth along the baseline a lot, and he was able to retrieve and get back to the center of the court for the next shot, whereas he hit back to the center of the court more and didn't work you side to side as much, but when he did get you on the move, he generally forced an error in a shot or two. If I were playing you, that would be the first thing I'd try to attack in your game - get you running and try not to let you stand and blast from the middle of the court. It's not just a matter of speed, it's getting moving back to a good position as qucikly as possible and being acutely aware of trying to recover as quickly as possible. It's something I struggle with all the time. He always had the hustle to recover, while sometimes you were walking or otherwise taking your time doing it.

    Anyway, good luck. There's no frickin way you're a 4.0. LOL.
     
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  27. Ryoma

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    Your opponent is not very good at exploiting your weakness, he is pretty much just rallying. I would just play your backhand, since you don't seem to have a backhand down the line nor a running forehand. That's pretty much the end of the match.

    This is how it will play out:
    1. I hit crosscourt high backhand to your backhand
    2. You hit crosscourt high backhand return
    3. I hit inside in forehand down the line
    4. You hit a running forehand
    5. I will finish off the net or inside out forehand.

    In step 2, if you manage to hit a backhand down the line and I manage to chase it down and hit a crosscourt forehand, you will need a running forehand to finish a forehand down the line winner or short angle winner.

    I would suggest working on footwork (split steps). Almost no split steps at all even on serve return. Your serve is pretty effective against this opponent mainly because he is not even reading your serve. He is reading the ball flight. You can see he is half a sec late on every return.

    I would also suggest doing combos, meaning that you should be executing a series of shots. Not one at a time. Watch the tape, you will see you hit and wait a lot except occasional approach shot. Work on controlling the next shot. Meaning that you should make your opponent return the ball to a certain location. It is quite obvious because you are always in the middle of the baseline. If you have at least 2 shots in mind, you will be going to the next shot position instead of always going back to the middle.

    Hope it helps~
     
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  28. eric draven

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    Dizzl, just my two cents: Your cc FH seems to be your big weapon and he doesn't seem to exploit your movement as much as you seem to work his. I would concentrate on setting up points for that forehand out wide (looking for the short mid-court ball) because once you have him moving you control the points for the most part.

    You also said you plan on dropping more weight. I'm curious, will you consider running around your backhand more at that point? I think that could add to your ability to utilize your forehand more to set up a more offensive shot.
     
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    It was a very close match. The way our ladder works if I had held at 4-2 to go up by 3 games in the second set I would have won the match on time. I had a game point but choked it away. So really one choked point was the difference.
     
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    I don't think I am a 4.0 doubles player but the USTA says I am so what do I know. However, in singles I just do not have the patience or shot construction to beat the good 4.0 singles players.

    This partly explains why I go for so much. In doubles I spend all my time moving forward and trying to keep the net man from attacking my cross court shots. In singles those skills are not quite as important. Having wheels and and the ability to recover in a baseline rally are much more important. My opponent does that all the time and I only get to do that rarely.

    However, with the age divisions changing next year ... if I manage to remain a 4.0 I could be a pretty tough 4.0 senior (40 + ?) singles player.
     
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    The suggestions at the bottom are good ones and thank you.

    However, I would suggest that if you could construct a point like described above you are not playing in the 4.0 division ... but instead at a higher level.

    While I will admit that I have glaring footwork / recovery issues to address, very few player at my level are able to handle the pace I offer from serves and forehands to do the things you suggest would win the point consistently.
     
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    Considering I almost never do it now ... I will have to learn how and when to turn backhands into forehands. But as I fitten up I want to incorporate that more into my game.
     
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    I understand why you rearranged the points in the video the way you did, but doing so makes it hard to get a sense of the flow of the match. For example, I can't really tell how often/easily you were holding your serve, and same for your opponent.

    Anyway, with your style of play, and assuming you can generally hold your own serve, one suggestion is to try be even *more* aggressive on your ROS. Your opponent's serve did not seem that big, and so worth trying to return from a bit closer in and trying to take it earlier to control the point.

    The other thing that I notice is that you need to develop a DTL BH that you can finish points with. Are you able to take the BH early on the rise? Either that, or you need to be able to run around the BH and hit a winner FH down the BH line. For your style of play, once you have control of a point you need to finish it. As it is, your opponent is able to reset the point at times by hitting CC to your BH after he has been pulled out wide to his BH side.
     
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    It took me a longer time spotting your opponent's weakness than yours.

    Simply stated, your weakness is your backhand. It's not a bad backhand. It's actually pretty good, but it is significantly weaker than your forehand. On your topspin backhand, you don't have depth control, and you don't have directional control. On your slice, it floats high and bounces high.

    The strategies against you are: 1) keep hitting to your backhand, wait for something to attack, (knowing that you can't attack on your backhand) attack 2) hit a high loopy shot to your backhand, force you to hit a slice, (which would float) pounce the net 3) make you run

    That said, you're better than most people I've seen.
     
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    Agree. You have a pretty reliable serve and forehand. It will be great to develop them into serve/forehand 1-2 combo, since it seems that you like to hit hard and finish point fast. All you need is flatten the forehand. With the pace you are generating, one initiating flat forehand pretty much anywhere will give you a rally topspin return, and your job is just to hit another flat forehand to one of the corners.
     
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    I have been working on the backhand DTL ... and that shot was present once or twice in the video. However, I cannot seem to keep it in without a lot of topspin so I have a hard time forcing errors or hitting winner with the backhand. Right now I just seem to open up the court for my opponents forehand.

    As far as the video is concerned ... I have an un-adjusted version I could post but I suspect not many people want to watch that one.
     
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    I don't think you should expect to force an error or hit winners off of your dtl BH right now. But having a solid topsin dtl will help feed into your FH. I would concentrate on being able to hit a solid dtl BH when you get a short ball on that wing and make sure it is deep. That way the next reply will be a forehand the majority of the time (right into your strength).
     
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    Just from watching the first couple minutes I can tell your strength is your cross court forehand, and your weakness is the backhand.

    If i were you I would be looking to hit that cross court forehand as much as possible and take the weak return when you get it anywhere you like for a winner or force the error.

    On a side note its amazing how the weight of person really adds alot of pace to the serve. I need to pack on 10 more lbs of muslce o,0
     
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    That is one thing I am curious about ... I have lost 28 pounds and will lose another 30 pounds by the summer. I have not lost any MPH on the serve yet and do not expect to but perhaps size is more of a factor than I think.

    I lost a little pace last summer when I switched rackets but I think I have gained back whatever pop I lost in transition.
     
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    You won't start to lose pace of shot until you get anorexicly skinny and weigh into the 160's. For serves, you won't lose pace until you drop into the 150's.
     
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    At first when watching, I was noticing you guys doing a pretty good job with
    your targets, then I realized how you had edited the shorter points to the back.
    Watching the ones at the end of the vid and reading the charting stats led
    me to recommend the thread link below. Also the fact that you guys were doing
    this style instinctively on the longer points at the beginning of the vid, makes
    me think that focus on this aspect of strategy could be helpful for you.
    See what you think.

    post #88 has good diagram with triangle targets and a square Avoid area.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=413112&page=5

    I think this style will fit you well as you like to hit hard. Using the Smart Targets
    gives you a nice error margin which lets you hit freely. If you are going for these
    targets, and the ball sails on you just a bit, it will likely stay in the court.
    But by the same token, as you can see in your pts at the start of the vid,
    hitting these targets (or close to them) still does plenty of damage and sets
    things up well. It should help to reduce the UEs and keep the aggressive style up
    there and maybe even raise it a bit.
     
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