vilas vs. nastase

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  1. chiru

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    ""I did not lose to a player but against a racket," he said, referring to the double-strung racket the Romanian was using at the time." what is vilas talking about. i know there was something controversial going on at that time, but what?
     
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  2. sureshs

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    That was the infamous spaghetti string racquet that was used till it was banned.
     
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  3. malakas

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    Spaghetti string?Why it was banned?
     
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  4. sureshs

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    It produced a weird spin which no one could return.
     
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  5. sureshs

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    Wait a minute. I take back what I said. The spaghetti string was used by a no-name guy to beat someone. This must be something else.
     
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  6. Moose Malloy

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    No, you were right the 1st time.

    Google it, you will find many articles. Or search my posts, I wrote about this several times. Vilas won 20 or so more clay matches after this "loss"(he was defaulted, walked off the court in disgust) to Nastase. So no one really beat Vilas on clay for 70 some straight matches.
     
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  7. malakas

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    sureshs,I am a beginner and I don't know so much about tennis.(Yet).:( I am just watching tennis as a fan most of the times.Though, I find it very hard to believe that they banned a string because it created a weird spin?!Even if it was not that spaghetti-macaroni string..:mrgreen:
     
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  8. slice bh compliment

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    Christophe Roger-Vasselin
    Pete Fischback/Fishback/Fishbach (sp?)
     
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  9. slice bh compliment

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    Willy versus Ilie.
    The spins musta been silly.
    That is one match I would love to see
    on vhs or dvd.
    The end of a streak.
    that Rafa just tweaked.
    Can he keep it going two weeks?
     
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  10. Moose Malloy

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    Wood racquets are very different from racquets today. It was almost impossible to generate heavy spin. With this "spaghetti style strung" racquet the speed was ridiculous compared to normal wood racquets. So it was banned.

    There are equipment regulations in many sports.
    Here what Vilas said:

    "These two records I held came to an end when I lost to Ilie Nastase, who was using the 'spaghetti racquet' (which was double strung to put more spin in the ball and was very soon banned). So you could say that it wasn't a fair result when my series of wins finally came to an end. And afterwards, I went on to win six or seven tournaments in a row. Having said that, Nadal is a really nice young lad and I'm very happy for him."

    http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/articles/2006-05-29/200605291148908346629.html
     
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  11. malakas

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    Thanx very much Moose Malloy for the valuable information.I had no idea that villas lost in such an unfair way..:mad: Yeap, that Nadal boy is very lucky indeed:-| ........Though I still don't find it right to ban equipment just because it was way better than the other styles..Maybe it is just of things that make tennis so unique and special.:D
     
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  12. chiru

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    i don't get the technology though. like does anyone have a picture of how such a racket is strung? I mean, what does it look like? what does it mean by double strung?
     
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  13. Moose Malloy

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  14. sureshs

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    So Moose Malloy, was I right or wrong the first time?
     
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  15. slice bh compliment

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    Well, Nastase used it too.
     
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    It was Michael Fischbach that first got things going with the spagheti stringing. He was a real journeyman player never beating the top players and not even ranked in the top 100 until he appeared with a sahetti strung racquet while made opponents like Stan Smith and Ilis Nastase and Bill Scanlon look like fools because it was like playing with one of those crazy bounce balls which bounced totally unpredictably. Even Fischbach didnt dare try and hit anything close to the line at all because there really was no control w. this racquet....just swing for the middle of the court and it would hopefully go in and then bounce totally crazily and unpredictably. It really didnt resemble tenns and should have never been allowed and it made the opponent look really foolish and become embarrassed. Unfortunately it wasnt illegal when the streak of Vilas ended so vilas doesnt have a case I dont think, but how stupid was the ITF for even allowing it. who knows how long Vlas could have gone without a loss. Nastase started using it after getting embarrassed by Fischbach I believe
     
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  17. slice bh compliment

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    NBM, you got it. Great memory...it was MIKE Fishbach

    That's it. I was thinking of another Fishbach, Pete. His brother?

    Yeah, If I recall, Nasty lost to Mike Fishbach twice in the same month or two. 1977 or 1978 was it?
     
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  18. malakas

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    NoBadMojo,first when they told me in this forum that spaghetti stringing was banned I thought that it was pretty unfair because I regarded it like some sort or new development or technik in tennis that should not banned but even accepted from all the players and be used.But after your very imformative post I realize how this stringing just destroyed tennis as we know and love it.I quess that is to show how bad ignorance is...:( .So,Thanx very much for your post.:D
     
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  19. NoBadMojo

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    hey man..no problemo. it really did take the skill element mostly out of the game..you would have to see how the ball reacted to believe it..opponents could do often nothing but lunge at balls and they would even do the occassional whiff....it was a dark moment in tennis history ;O
    i think someone posted pics of the spaghetti stringing, so i wont try and explain....nowadays they would have spaghetti strngjobs, vermicelli stringjobs, linguini stringjobs, etc

    ya sliced bh...i swallowed the whole bottle of ginkgo biloba thus inducing a memory attack and was able to recall Mike Fischbach
     
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  20. slice bh compliment

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    Hahhah, good call, man. But stay off them smart drinks, especially when they glow in the dark at a party.
     
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  21. slice bh compliment

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    Whenever I have tried good polys like Luxilon or Hurricane, I did feel a part of that spin/power/control potential for the first few hours before it dies. I prefer a good multi. Screw durability.

    Wait until Babolat starts selling Rafa's string. Hurricane Pro: a high-end poly that is octagonal with sharp edges, so you can totally rip the felt off the ball. All the kids will have it....as they try to attain topspinmonkey status.
     
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  22. travlerajm

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    The Luxilon strings are now a legal way to get some of the spaghetti string effect. I predict that string technology will gradually creep back in the spaghetti-string direction, until they decide to ban something again.
     
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  23. slice bh compliment

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    Dear Monsieur Babolat,

    I agree with travlerajm. You should quit production of Hurricane Tour (that octagonal string). The ITF is going to ban it anyway, probably. Please make sure you confiscate all of Rafael's entire stash.

    Merci in advance,
    Roger Federer
     
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  24. travlerajm

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    lol. Nice one. But at least Federer is smart enough to take full advantage of the available string technology. Luxilon crosses and gut mains make for a very spinny setup.
     
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  25. NoBadMojo

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    as a sidenote, i read somewere in a reputable rag that those rough strings and strings with angles dont make any more spin, and in fact slippery surfaces <they tested this using oil on the strings> actually generate more spin..in fact they are testing teflon coated strings and such.

    i think we're onto something. a new string company..we could be the official string supplier for the Italian Open, take out TV spots on FoodTV and we would coat our strings with Extra Virgin Olive Oil
    18ga = angel hair
    17ga = vermicelli
    16ga = spaghetti
    15ga = linguine
    any type of poly = fettucini
    With every stringset we would include a VibeDamp which could be fusilli, penne. or rigatoni
    I am currently playing Klip ArmourPro vermicelli
    you been drinking tonight dude? maybe a doobie? ;O
    if you'll excuse me i've suddenly gotten quite hungry
     
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  26. slice bh compliment

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    No, but, mysteriously, after reading your last post, I dipped my freshly strung racquets in a vat of pesto.

    Then I woke up, like, "Phew that was only a dream."

    Then I opened my bag just to make sure ... and evidently I've used pine nuts as string savers. Hmmm.
     
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  27. travlerajm

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    Luxilon strings already have Teflon in them - that's what makes them really slippery. I'm not certain, but I suspect Luxilon might have exclusive patent rights on Teflon use in strings.

    I find that angelhair and vermicelli break too often for me.
     
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  28. malakas

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    You make me hungry!!!!:mad: Ah..italian pasta..:|
     
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    :mrgreen:
     
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  31. sebastiange

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    Spaghetti stringing not only made a wierd unpredictable spin, but also on Vilas words, it took him ages to beat tha guy using them. The day previous to the one he lost his game 54, he played for 4:45 hs. and that´s why he retired. At least i think i heard him say this.

    By the way, i think he still has got the winning in a row record for matches considering all surfaces, i think.
     
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  32. Ash Doyle

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    If you believe this, then you have no understanding at all of spaghetti stringing. Some people may argue that Luxilon strings give better spin than other strings; but what made spaghetti stringing so dangerous wasn't the amount of spin (although there was plenty), it was the completely unpredictable nature of the spin...to both the receiver and hitter. The bounce of the ball was almost random without much regard to the stroke.
     
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  33. travlerajm

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    The unpredictability had a lot to do with the knots on the mains, which were required to keep the plastic sheath roller bearings in the right place, so that the bearings could stay lined up with the crosses.

    Also, any time you increase the deformation of the stringbed, it increases the unpredictability of the rebound. Otherwise, pros would simply string their racquets at 20 lbs and play with lower powered frames to dampen the extra power.

    Luxilon strings allow greater tangential deformation of the mains without allowing more deformation in the perpendicular direction. This is exactly the same mechanism that makes spaghetti strings give you more spin. And Luxilon strings don't need extra parts like knots and sheaths, so the stringbed is flatter and more predictable. Thus, they give you a little bit of the spaghetti string effect without compromising directional accuracy very much.
     
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  34. Ash Doyle

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    Comparing Luxilon strings to a spaghetti string job is one stupid comparison. Travlerajm, the more I read your posts, the more I think you are loosing sight of reality through misguided application of theory.
     
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