Volkl 10 MP...Setup and Upcoming Volkl Player's Frame??

FedUp

Rookie
I have hit with the Volkl 10 mp for about 6 hours and have come to appreciate this racquet considerably. I'm an aggressive baseliner and found the racquet to be low-powered enough for me to hit out without much worry. I have never used such a tight string pattern before (18x20) and was worried about loosing my topspin. I strung the racquet with a pure monofilament string at 60 pounds on the mains and 58 on the crosses....Cyber Flash Topspin 17 guage. I was wondering what others are doing. The tight string pattern, I think, really helps with control. But I could only imagine what a less tight pattern would feel like. I really don't need further customization with lead because I like the feel of the racquet already. But if there is further advice on this, I would like to hear it as well.

On the same lines, I heard through the threads about the "BB 11" (don't know the real name). My local proshop owner says that its going to REPLACE the DNX 10 MP per his discussion with the Volkl rep....all this after I finally found the racquet I might want to stick with. The BB 11 tight pattern seems much more like a player's frame than the BB 11 with the open pattern...any thoughts on this? Why can't they make a "around 12 oz" open pattern player's frame? (I tried the DNX 9....small sweet spot). Any thoughts on the Tour 10 mp GenII?
 
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bagung

Hall of Fame
arround 12 oz player's frame is the dnx-10 mid.
it has a huge sweetspot for mid frames, open pattern 16x19, excellent feel and touch......
 

FedUp

Rookie
bagung, I can't believe I over looked it. If it has anywhere near the sweetspot the mp has, it should be a "good fit". Thanks.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
I've been playing the dnx10mp's....i have mine strung lower at 53-54 with <see my signature>. I have no trouble spinning this frame. Bagung makes a really good suggestion about the dnx10mid if you can handle a little more swingweight. the dnx10mp will be current through the end of the year. the upcoming bb11 is similar so no need for a duplication. wouldnt surprise me if the bb11 came from the same tool as the dnx10mp which is also the tool the t10mpGen1 came from (which i used for about 5 years). I understand the bb11 to play a little softer, and specs indicate a little faster, and i bet a little more powerfully. it's an 18mains frame too. the Gen2 comes in at around 12oz's too and is a 16mains frame...i think it';s the lowest powered of the ones we're talking about and it's got a huge sweetspot and is VERY easy to spin..but it's very low powered. lot's of really good choices.

I see you were using Wilson k series....which one and how would you compare to the 10mp?
 

bagung

Hall of Fame
bagung, I can't believe I over looked it. If it has anywhere near the sweetspot the mp has, it should be a "good fit". Thanks.

i actually "feel" the sweetspot of mid is just as big or even bigger than the mp....
i actually like the idea of "bigger head" in mid plus racquet, since i am 45 yrs old now. but the 10 mid, gives me an excellent feel in volley, which is the best "feel" i ever had...... i sort of "falling in love with that feel".....
 

FedUp

Rookie
I've been playing the dnx10mp's....i have mine strung lower at 53-54 with <see my signature>. I have no trouble spinning this frame. Bagung makes a really good suggestion about the dnx10mid if you can handle a little more swingweight. the dnx10mp will be current through the end of the year. the upcoming bb11 is similar so no need for a duplication. wouldnt surprise me if the bb11 came from the same tool as the dnx10mp which is also the tool the t10mpGen1 came from (which i used for about 5 years). I understand the bb11 to play a little softer, and specs indicate a little faster, and i bet a little more powerfully. it's an 18mains frame too. the Gen2 comes in at around 12oz's too and is a 16mains frame...i think it';s the lowest powered of the ones we're talking about and it's got a huge sweetspot and is VERY easy to spin..but it's very low powered. lot's of really good choices.

I see you were using Wilson k series....which one and how would you compare to the 10mp?

NoBadMojo, thanks for the great information...I 'm sorry about the signature, I really need to update it. I 've used both the ksix one 95 and the k90. Both, I think, are great frames. The k95 (16 x 18) was just to powerful a frame. It was difficult for me to "hit out" without the ball landing three feet beyond the baseline.

The K90 was difficult for me to handle from the baseline (I'm pretty much a baseliner) and is, perhaps, better-suited to an all courter - it is quite a headlight frame. Also, I think that the racquet is better if you hit really flat rather than with much spin. I found the balls perpetually landing in the net with my forehand stroke. That is, the racquet is sensitive to a topspin stroke likely because of its open string pattern. My brother had a much easier time with the frame than I did. He uses a very long (loopy) topspin swing and had better success with keeping the ball in play (and with devastating effect!!). My stroke is a bit more compact, yet with spin, but I was netting every shot.....I don't know if what I'm saying is making any sense, but it really felt that way. When I hit flat, the racquet was magnificent, but, unfortunately, that is not my natural swing style. Lastly, the swingweight was difficult for me to handle over a long match.

I have tried to use an open string pattern on every racquet I've demoed or bought. Then, my local proshop owner told me to give the DNX 10 mp a try with the tighter string pattern. I fell in love immediately with the frame. It seemed to complement my forehand stroke very well. My topspins were landing deep, and I had much greater control on every shot once I took out the pure multi setup he had in there originally. I replaced it with the mono setup I listed before. For the first time, in a while, I'm very content with the frame. That's why the frustration about hearing about a replacement BB11. If it does replace the dnx 10mp, I'll have to give it a whirl, or at least, try out the tour 10 gen I and II if they're still around.
 
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NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
NoBadMojo, thanks for the great information...I 'm sorry about the signature, I really need to update it. I 've used both the ksix one 95 and the k90. Both, I think, are great frames. The k95 (16 x 18) was just to powerful a frame. It was difficult for me to "hit out" without the ball landing three feet beyond the baseline.

The K90 was difficult for me to handle from the baseline (I'm pretty much a baseliner) and is, perhaps, better-suited to an all courter - it is quite a headlight frame. Also, I think that the racquet is better if you hit really flat rather than with much spin. I found the balls perpetually landing in the net with my forehand stroke. That is, the racquet is sensitive to a topspin stroke likely because of its open string pattern. My brother had a much easier time with the frame than I did. He uses a very long (loopy) topspin swing and had better success with keeping the ball in play (and with devastating effect!!). My stroke is a bit more compact, yet with spin, but I was netting every shot.....I don't know if what I'm saying is making any sense, but it really felt that way. When I hit flat, the racquet was magnificent, but, unfortunately, that is not my natural swing style. Lastly, the swingweight was difficult for me to handle over a long match.

I have tried to use an open string pattern on every racquet I've demoed or bought. Then, my local proshop owner told me to give the DNX 10 mp a try with the tighter string pattern. I fell in love immediately with the frame. It seemed to complement my forehand stroke very well. My topspins were landing deep, and I had much greater control on every shot once I took out the pure multi setup he had in there originally. I replaced it with the mono setup I listed before. For the first time, in a while, I'm very content with the frame. That's why the frustration about hearing about a replacement BB11. If it does replace the dnx 10mp, I'll have to give it a whirl, or at least, try out the tour 10 gen I and II if they're still around.

hi there. i understand. i'm kinda in the same boat as you and am looking forward to taking out the bb11 for a date. if i dont like it as well, i'll still be perfectly happy dating the dnx10mp :0 things get too confusing with too many choices i think
 

FedUp

Rookie
NBMJ, thanks for all the information. Though a recent poster, I have been following your advice for a while. ;)
 

TourTenor

Professional
Info on DNX10 mid and Gen 2

FedUp,
As NBMJ knows, I am a big fan of both the DNX10 mid and the Tour 10 Gen 2. Also, I like the open string pattern (both racquets have a 16X19 pattern). This pattern helps create excellent spin. I have had good luck with 17-gauge VS Thermagut and Hurricane Tour hybrid setup at 57 pounds. I recommend it as they provide good control, good touch, strings don't move, and this last go around ... 5 mos. before replacing them (playing 6-8 hours a week)!
A full swing with good racquet head speed is desireable to create good pop with both these racquets. I haven't heard of anyone with a compact swing that has stuck with either of these racquets (it seems that many describe a full, fast swing, however, many do not describe their swing style). I concur with Bagung, that the DNX 10mid's sweet spot is generous, while I did not find the ss on the DNX 10 MP to be as sizeable. Last, I hope that the BB11 is quickly followed by a 16X19 version as, I assume, I will like this one better than the 18X20.
Good luck. :)
 

FedUp

Rookie
FedUp,
As NBMJ knows, I am a big fan of both the DNX10 mid and the Tour 10 Gen 2. Also, I like the open string pattern (both racquets have a 16X19 pattern). This pattern helps create excellent spin. I have had good luck with 17-gauge VS Thermagut and Hurricane Tour hybrid setup at 57 pounds. I recommend it as they provide good control, good touch, strings don't move, and this last go around ... 5 mos. before replacing them (playing 6-8 hours a week)!
A full swing with good racquet head speed is desireable to create good pop with both these racquets. I haven't heard of anyone with a compact swing that has stuck with either of these racquets (it seems that many describe a full, fast swing, however, many do not describe their swing style). I concur with Bagung, that the DNX 10mid's sweet spot is generous, while I did not find the ss on the DNX 10 MP to be as sizeable. Last, I hope that the BB11 is quickly followed by a 16X19 version as, I assume, I will like this one better than the 18X20.
Good luck. :)

Thanks for the information. I figure from the discussions, that the DNX 10 mid may be a great racquet to demo. I've never tried the VS Thermagut before ($). I figure that you use them on the mains. If your replacing your strings after that much play, it must be worth it. I can only imagine the feel. Great, great info. I'll go to the my local proshop in the next day or two to pick up the DNX 10 Mid. As for the BB11, I think the 16x19 has a much lower swingweight than the 18x20, but I could be wrong. That would be the only detracting thing for me.
 

TourTenor

Professional
You're welcome ... I will be interested in your report on the DNX10 mid demo given that you have stated you have a compact swing.
Yes, I put Thermagut in the mains and yeah not so expensive when I think about the Gamma Livewire I used to use and break every 6 weeks. I cut out my hybrid setup and was amazed by how long the strings kept their tension. I am not sure about the swingweight of a new BB11 with 16X19. I think NBMJ indicated that one was coming after the 18X20. If it isn't in the 325 to 315 SW range I won't be interested. Anyway, I can't say enough about the racquets I have, so I won't be disappointed if the new BB's don't work out.
 

bagung

Hall of Fame
i will be intrested in bb11 if it comes with 16x19.........
tourtenor,how is the gen 2 compare to dnx10 mid?
 

TourTenor

Professional
Bagung,
I find that both racquets have very similar attributes with the main exception being the Gen 2's slightly lower swingweight (315). This comes in handy if I start to tire with the mid (seems to play about 323 to 325). Others say the mid has more pop but I find them both very close in this aspect. Both can generate shots with excellent control and amazing speed. I find that I need to make sure I prep early and take a full swing with both of them.
For some reason, I perceive that it is slightly easier to maneuver the mid at the net. This may be psychological for me with the head being smaller. Shouldn't be so, given the swingweight difference. By the way, the last time we discussed strings I was going to put the Pacific Prime in my hybrid setup. My shop doesn't stock it however, so I decided to stick with the combination that is working for me.
Hope your mid is working well for you.
 

bagung

Hall of Fame
tourtenor,
i have the same feel towards the mid. after playing more than 2 hrs on slow courts, i feel tire and feel the mid very demanding, and looking for low SW to compensate. i have tried to use dnx 10MP 295g as a substitute, but found it so different than the mid on the feel, maybe caused by diff stringbed(18x20), less static weight....
therefore, i was thinking may be the gen 2 is the one i am looking for as substitude? or maybe i should wait for BB 11 16x19....?
 

bad_call

Legend
tourtenor,
i have the same feel towards the mid. after playing more than 2 hrs on slow courts, i feel tire and feel the mid very demanding, and looking for low SW to compensate. i have tried to use dnx 10MP 295g as a substitute, but found it so different than the mid on the feel, maybe caused by diff stringbed(18x20), less static weight....
therefore, i was thinking may be the gen 2 is the one i am looking for as substitude? or maybe i should wait for BB 11 16x19....?

bagung - are u looking for an easy alternative here when ur low on gas? let me know if u find one...cause i may consider an mp just for that same reason. however the transition from mid to mp needs to be slight.
 

FedUp

Rookie
FYI, as originally posted by erw325 in the BB11 picture thread:


BECKER 11 SPECIAL EDITION
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Kopfgröße 630 cm² | 98 in²
Bauhöhe 20 mm
Länge 68,5 cm | 27 in
Gewicht 338 g | 11,9 oz
Balance 32.7 cm | 0.6in HL
Bespannung 18 x 20 PCP
Bespannungshärte 25 (±2) kg | 55 (±2) lbs
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BECKER 11 325G

Kopfgröße 630 cm² | 98 in²
Bauhöhe 20 mm
Länge 68,5 cm | 27 in
Gewicht 325 g | 11,4 oz
Balance 32 cm | 0.9 in HL
Bespannung 18 x 20 PCP
Bespannungshärte 25 (±2) kg | 55 lbs

________________________________________

BECKER 11 295G

Kopfgröße 630 cm² | 98 in²
Bauhöhe 20 mm
Länge 68,5 cm | 27 in
Gewicht 295 g | 10,4 oz
Balance 32 cm | 0.9 in HL
Bespannung 16 x 19 PCP
Bespannungshärte 25 (±2) kg | 55 lbs
 
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bagung

Hall of Fame
bagung - are u looking for an easy alternative here when ur low on gas? let me know if u find one...cause i may consider an mp just for that same reason. however the transition from mid to mp needs to be slight.

yes.... i will....
so far try the dnx-10 295g and 03 tour MP with no succes
 

TourTenor

Professional
Bagung,
I concur with BadCall --- demo both the C10 and the Gen 2. I think the C10 is closer to the DNX10mid in swingweight though. Something you might consider ... when selecting a racquet at a shop, weigh them all. I did this when I got my DNX10mid as there were four of them in the shop. Although their specs were pretty tight, I selected the lightest of the bunch. I believe my DNX10mid is about 323 to 325 SW (TW lists at 331), the C10 lists at 323 and the Gen 2 is 315.

Fedup,
The BB11 with 16X19 looks to be too light for what I like. Thanks for the info.
 

bagung

Hall of Fame
bad call, tourtenor,
thanks for the info.. will try the gen 2 for a spin....
the dealer in my country inform me that they will only bring in BB11 in 295g version in late june. i think it is too light for me too....
i had 4 dnx10 mid, and the maximum difference is 0.9g, which makes me very happy. volkl does have good quality control..
 
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