Volkl C10 Pro Questions

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  1. Mansewerz

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    Interesting, especially since the RDS001 is rated at 68 stiffness and the AG100 was 62. Same strings?

    yes, same question for me.
     
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  3. Mansewerz

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    I shall shoot you an email! Thanks!
     
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  4. adso1973

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    Hi all,

    since sometime ago I'm looking for a frame for a 1hbh baseliner who plays on clay.

    I've loved the RQis 1 tour but lacked some power, then moved to mgpp lacked the yonex feel, then got the RDS001 mp but couldn't get my backhand working, now I'm testing the Rdis 100 mid, like the control and touch, but I fell I can't push the opponent as I usually do and the ball speed is not the one I like.. I'm thinking in adding some lead and leather grip..

    But, reading the review and as I really enjoyed the 2 volkl frames I tested (dnx 10 mid and dnx 9) I'm tempted to try with the BB11 mp or the C10 mp..

    As I probably will have to buy it, what would you say? between the RDis 100 mid, BB11 mp and the C10, which one should I go for? as I said, baseliner, 1 hbh, old school, big serve.

    thanks, I really appreciate your input!!
     
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    The MP...

    All I can tell you is that they felt the same to me, both were solid on impact. The RDS didn't play so stiff as to be uncomfortable. Matter of fact, I've never played a Yonex that was uncomfortable.

    Both were demoed from TW, so I would suppose they both had a multi in them.
     
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  6. Ross K

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    Hi C10 Pro users!

    Well... ("Drum roll.") I've finally decided to have mine restrung and see once and for all if I can't up the power level (specially on serve) and get this frame to really blast from the b-line...:)

    Now I'm going to go from (dead) Blue Gear originally strung @ 55 lbs, to a poly/multi hybrid - Proline 2 and TFX1.​

    My qsns are, for more power, bigger serve, b-line performance, which gauge do ppl recommend out of these?... the PL2 in 1.2 or 1.25?... (the TFX1 I'm having the 1.24 gauge btw.)

    Secondly, importantly, what tension/tensions ppl would recommend for that power boost? Remember Blue Gear @ 55 Ilbs was a bit lacking for me.


    Many thanks,

    R.
     
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  7. fuzz nation

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    Hey Ross, good luck with that experiment. No recommendations here for a hybrid in the C10, since I've only run mine with either syn. gut or multi. I did try a multi mains/poly crosses hybrid in one of my really soft NXG mids though, and the thing felt like a rock despite the poly crosses being in the low 50's for tension.

    I'll bet that a multi in this Volkl would be okay as long as it's snugged up nicely for the sake of some control. One of my 2nd hand C10's came with some X-One Biphase installed and I did okay with it, but some hits right in the heart of the sweet spot could fly extra hot on me. I don't think those strings were quite as tight as I'd typically want them, but the softer multi's in general seem to be a bit more at home in the more flexible racquets.

    In terms of your idea for trying a hybrid, I'd be inclined to do the poly in the crosses and use the more lively stuff in the mains. Otherwise it might be a bit choked in the power dept. I probably won't use much if any poly again down the road but if I do, I don't think I'd need to run it any higher than 50 lbs. in my crosses.
     
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    Wise and sage advice.

    If you're looking to "up" the power of any frame, why would you put the poly in the mains? Put your multi in the mains and poly in the crosses. That's really the only way you're going to have a marked increase in pace from the stringbed.
     
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    Wouldn't ALL MULTI be even better? (more powerful)?
     
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  10. Mansewerz

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    It should be
     
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    Absolutely. But, if someone's dead set on using poly and they want to up a racquets output, the best way to go is poly in the crosses.

    I've been playing an all-gut set up. And I really like it. A buddy of mine is trying to get me to hybrid with poly crosses. I'm still thinking about it, but really like the way the frame feels now.
     
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  12. jrod

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    Rabbit-

    I use a relatively soft co-poly in my crosses with gut mains and really like it. If you go this route, there are several things you should be aware of regarding performance and economy of this setup. Check out my post #9 in this thread:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=4363361#post4363361
     
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    Wow, thanks.

    In recent experience, I did cross a set of Prime with Polyforce Xtreme 16L in the AG100. To compensate for Prime's extra oopmh, I upped the tension to 63. Figuring what the hell, I strung the poly in at the same tension. Polyforce Xtreme holds tension as well as any string (regardless of type) that I've used.

    The resultant string bed was firm, not uncomfortable, and stayed that way. I was playing quite a bit at the time and the firmer string bed did really well. But, I played with an all gut setup and liked the pocketing feel of it better, so I wound up cutting out the hybrid before its natural demise.

    Based on your opinion, I think I'll revisit this setup in the C10 when next I restring. I'll probably lessen the tension on the gut to 58 to compensate for the poly's firmness. And, I'll string the poly at 3 pounds less just to see how it works based on my AG100 experience.
     
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  14. richie65

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    Well, I've been playing with my C10 for a weeks and gradually getting to know it better. I'm much better with the backhand and my forehand has been a weapon..................all you need to do is HIT OUT! I find the racquet performs best when I'm the aggressor and pressing the issue.
    That being said, I popped strings on two consecutive points on my C10s and then pulled out the Becker 11MP to hit with. And well this is a great stick. It has great control and an amazing amount of spin for the 18x20 pattern. it's not as comfortable as the C10, but it offers pretty much all the other virtues. When I go back to the C10, I'm going to add weight to decrease the head-lightness.
    Man I love Volkl and all the players sticks they offer.
     
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  15. athiker

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    Thought I'd weigh in on the BB11 MP and C10 Pro since I've played w/ the C10 for a while now and like it enough that I picked up a 2nd. I used to play and like the BB11 MP but found the swingweight a touch high for me. The short summary is the C10 Pro is more maneuverable with the lower swingweight and I can generate more spin with the open stringpattern combined with the whippier swingweight. I feel both excel in the volley department and offer a very solid feel and nice touch. Again, the C10 Pro has the advantage of being quicker for reaction shots. I would give the BB11 the edge in slice backhand but the C10 Pro the edge in both the topspin 1HBH and FH. My serve has changed quite a bit since playing with the BB11 so its hard to say there. I remember liking serving with the BB11 though. Both are as solid as anyone needs for return of serve but again, I feel I can get the C10 Pro in position quicker against a hard serve while giving up basically nothing in solid feel.

    I also have a question. I have the "fishscale/fishnet" version (looks more like fishscale to me but I've seen references to both) and then also picked up a "black" 2008 version. What is the "bumblebee" version? Can anyone point me to a picture? Is this the latest "yellow" version that followed the black or something in between the fishscale and the black? Actually, if anyone could provide a list of the C10 Pro paintjobs and the matching production year ranges that would be appreciated. 98" headsize only please. Pics or links to pics would be a bonus.

    This is what I think based on surfing the forum:

    Pre-Fishscale: was there one? When did the C10 Pro start?

    Fishscale: sometime before the Bumblebee...maybe 2005 and earlier?

    Bumblebee: 2006 ish...maybe 2006-2007?

    Black: 2008 ish

    Yellow: 2009-2010 ish
     
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  16. Mansewerz

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    Update: Still absolutely loving my C10 pros. They do everything I want. I may add lead, but probably not. Awesome frames!
     
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    Manswerz have you played with a head mg rad mp? If you have can you compare the two? Or give your opinion on how this stick does in serves and volleys?
     
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  18. vantageboy

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    can any tell us which is easier on your elbow/shoulder and compare the 2 --2010 cpro 10 to the bb london--thank u
     
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  19. Don S

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    Before the fishscale, I think was the C10 Comp. The Midplus that I have is 28" 102 sq.in.
    The C10 comp mid was 93 sq.in.

    The fishnet (or fishscale, whichever you prefer) - Was prior to about 2001. I have one of these left.

    Bumblebee - This was the PJ from about 2001 until 2007 when the mostly black version replaced it. This has been my main frame for 10 years, and IMO is the best PJ of the bunch. Also, I have a C10 Pro Tour (the 93 sq. in. version of the C10 pro) It was only in production for a short time and as far as I know, was only made in the Bumblebee PJ.

    The current version is that mostly yellow with black "Racing stripes"
     
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  20. rlau

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    I have two that I'm selling:
    http://s1117.photobucket.com/albums/k597/rlaumen/Volkl C10 Pro/

    Is that the fishscale or bumblebee version?
     
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  21. Icedorb217

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    Is there a difference between the 2008 and the current one? Besides PJ like feel or anything?
     
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  22. Rabbit

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    Those are the fish scale. They are the most desirable of the heritage line. I don't know that you can demand that much of a premium for them, but for a real C10 afficianado, those are the holy grail. I believe they have the hotmelt layup which produced the most Volklish feel and was the preferred layup of the pros.
     
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  23. Don S

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    Rabbit is right, raiu, you have the fishnet (a.k.a fishscale or a.k.a. tire tread) PJ. It seems that there are so many variants of the C10 pro PJ that it's hard to keep track of them all. I noticed in Post #14 of this thread that GPB has a pic of his C10 pros.

    They are the fishnet version but look at his racquets and you'll see that they have the "PRO" on the side of the throat in red. This is how it appears on the Bumblebee version but I've never seen it on the fishscale version. My fishnet has the "C10" on the side of the throat in grey with another "C10 Pro" in black with red borders superimposed over the Grey C10. So it appears that there were small changes to the PJ through out the run.

    Volkl did the same thing with the Gen 1 Tour 10. I have two of the 93 sq. in. Mid size. Identical PJ except one has "Quantum" at the 7 o'clock position of the head and my other one says "Tour" instead of quantum. Also the "Tour" racquet has "Mid" in red on the side of the throat and on the top of the head. my older one doesn't. I think Volkl just liked to play around with variants of PJs.
     
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  24. TennisMaverick

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    The T10 Mids that had the red Mid written on it, were limited releases. I sold mine to db379.

    The oldest fishscales on the C 10 had C10 Classic written over a shadow gray "10" correct? I have two of them and one with "Classic 10 Pro" written between the bottom of the grommet to the top of the grip, all three of which I need to unload from my small NYC apartment.
     
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  25. Icedorb217

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    Can anyone compare the current yellow C10 Pro to the Old 2008 C10 Pro?
     
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  26. McLovin

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    One is black, the other is yellow.


    Seriously, that is the only difference. I demoed the new yellow one, and bought 3 of the 2008 black ones. Same frame, different color. Anyone who tells you differently is smoking something.

    Hell, even TW's review says so (see http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Volkl_C10_Pro/descpageRCVOLKL-C10P10.html):

    Some racquets just don't go out of style. The C10 Pro is one of those racquets. It's sporting another new cosmetic, but the C-10 Pro maintains the same specs that have made it a proven performer for advanced and pro level players seeking control and a softer feel.​
     
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  27. athiker

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    My fishnet is exactly like the one from post 14 with the red "Pro". I got it used so don't know the exact year. I also have a more recent black version.

    Thanks for the feedback so far on the different PJs. Still looking for a pic of a "bumblebee" version however.
     
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  28. hoodjem

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    Weren't you an AG100 fan?

    Is there a trend here?
     
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  29. TennisMaverick

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    That is not accurate, but that is ALL that I can say about it.
     
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  30. Icedorb217

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    How is it not accurate?
     
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  31. TennisMaverick

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    Dude...are you alive and well, or have you taken-up golf?
     
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  32. McLovin

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    Here, I'll post the specs from TW for both rackets. You tell me which one is the 2008 and which is the 2010:


    #1:
    Head Size: 98 sq. in. / 632 sq. cm.
    Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
    Strung Weight: 12.2oz / 346g
    Balance: 8pts Head Light
    Swingweight: 323
    Stiffness: 63
    Beam Width: 20 mm Straight Beam
    Composition: Graphite/Kevlar
    Power Level: Low-Medium
    Swing Speed: Fast
    Grip Type: Twin Absorber Grip
    String Pattern: 16 Mains / 19 Crosses
    Mains skip: 8T,8H One Piece No shared holes
    String Tension: 50-60 pounds


    #2:
    Head Size: 98 sq. in. / 632 sq. cm.
    Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
    Strung Weight: 12.2oz / 346g
    Balance: 8pts Head Light
    Swingweight: 323
    Stiffness: 63
    Beam Width: 20 mm Straight Beam
    Composition: Graphite/Kevlar
    Power Level: Low-Medium
    Swing Speed: Fast
    Grip Type: Twin Absorber Grip
    String Pattern: 16 Mains / 19 Crosses
    Mains skip: 8T,8H One Piece No shared holes
    String Tension: 50-60 pounds
     
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  33. Icedorb217

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    Hes probably talking about the layup or something but Mclovin you felt no difference between the 2?
     
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  34. TennisMaverick

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    I understand that. The only thing that I am at liberty to say is that if you have a crisp pre '04 version, hit with it and compare it to a crisp current version, and you will get it.
     
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  35. McLovin

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    Well, that's something different. What he asked was what was the difference between the 2008 Black & the 2010 Yellow. I'll grant you that older versions are likely different.

    And to Icedorb217's question above, yes, there was no discernable difference between the '08 Black & '10 Yellow, at least as far as I could tell. I had them side-by-side for 2 days and, I'm ashamed to say, had restrung the demo w/ the same strings as the '08.
     
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  36. choochoo

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    C10 pro bumblebee and new ti80

    In my opinion, and I've played with the c10 pro bumblebee (non-fishnet) from the moment they were offered here in the US in '98, it is an incredible racquet for serving (power and spin), bh slices and volleys. My one gripe has always been the ROS with it, specifically, lack of power in the upper hoop (I know, definitely mentioned previously). I have a tonic+/black code 17 string setup and love it.
    I think the black 2008 c10s missed a little of the previous version's "heavy ball" characteristics. And I haven't tried the new yellow versions.
    However, I might be switching to the new ti80, I played with a yonex in the juniors, but got away from them when they cracked consistently near the throat of the frames. I think the new ti80 has just the right amount of feel, but also that extra little firmness in the throat than c10s have. the yonex has been tough to adjust to mainly because the bottom seems to slide right off. i'm working on finding a solution to this. any suggestions out there? i'm cutting my wilson pro ogs very thin along the bottom to create a little ridge on the bottom of the frame.
    interestingly, the c10s have leather grips and 3 grams total added to the frame and come in at 365g. the yonexes, with only leather grips added and no lead, weigh in at 381g.
    anyway, just thought i'd add my 2 cents. 12 years with a frame is no joke, this is a big deal for me. i think it's going to happen though... goodbye c10s, hello ti80s.
     
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  37. TennisMaverick

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    You may want to wait and try the new Organix 10. It is the tech upgrade of the C 10 Pro and return to 16 mains in the 10 Line.
     
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    Thanks for the info...any info on swingweight numbers they are targeting?
     
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  39. choochoo

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    org 10s

    definitely looking to giving them a try. big fan of new open string pattern. any early word on how they hit?
     
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  40. TennisMaverick

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    They are supposed play softer but more powerful than the PB's. There is only one set of them in the States, and the Managing Director has them. He did let the TW guys hit with them, so check their blogs.
     
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    nice

    wow, that would be outstanding. thx for the info
     
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    Oooh sounds interesting,
     
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  43. TennisMaverick

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    For all of you little girls out there who cry about Volkl quality control: I have two 1st gen fishscales, one 2nd gen fishscale, and one '05 Stealth. I closed my eyes, picked one out, which happened to be the Stealth, weighed it, and it weighed 329.4 grams unstrung with the original syn grip.

    That's all that needs to be said. PERIOD!
     
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  44. Rabbit

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    Wow, maybe a little less caffeine?
     
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  45. TennisMaverick

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    Dude....I am on the tail-end of an all-niter, ready to hit the sack, and I do it unaided. I don't do drugs.
     
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  46. Don S

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    Nothing finishes a long night of partying like a good old fashioned tennis racquet weighing lol.
     
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  47. Rabbit

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    Yeah, I remember back in the day, we'd break out the scales and just weigh away....

    Wooohooo....good times....

     
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    ^^^ New meaning to leaded and unleaded.
     
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  49. Don S

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    Ah the good old days.... when we used a "waterpipe" as a counter weight on the scale.
     
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