TennisMaverick
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Volkl believes that they are the most technically advanced/orientated company in the market. They believe that grip tech, lay-up for feel and strategic use of nano carbon, is beyond reproach.
Volkl Organix Line Optispot System
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Volkl believes that they are the most technically advanced/orientated company in the market. They believe that grip tech, lay-up for feel and strategic use of nano carbon, is beyond reproach.
To Agent Orynge: You realize Tennis Maverick isn't saying that this Optispot thing works, right? I think he's just interested in hearing responses.
Not sure why you're arguing with him, other than just to argue. I don't think he's trying to convince anyone of anything, if I read his posts, correctly.
Not sure why you're arguing with him, other than just to argue. I don't think he's trying to convince anyone of anything, if I read his posts, correctly.
Agent Orynge
Professional
Ding ding ding! Two-hundred posts, congrats TM.
Agent Orynge
Professional
He posited a theory, and I questioned it. I would agree that it's splitting hairs, maybe, but I wouldn't call it gratuitous. If the question came off as ungracious, I apologize. Hom, do you feel that my question didn't merit an answer?
Sorry, to which question are you referring? Thanks.
Agent Orynge
Professional
This one. I repeated it because I thought it deserved further consideration. Isn't the point of this thread to determine if the technology works, or if it's all in your head?
Actually, I don't think that was why TM made this thread. I think he's just trying to take a survey, but didn't put up a poll. I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to determine whether the Optispot thing works or not.
I wan't referring to that question in my post, though. I was referring to the contentious posts going back and forth, more generally.
TennisMaverick
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Have you demoed the X8 yet? If you have, what was your mishit/shank experience?
Thanks in advance!
Agent Orynge
Professional
Unfortunately, vinegar begets vinegar. Despite my attempt to stay on topic, he chose to be inflammatory. Is that really my fault?
JackB1
G.O.A.T.
I'm with you Homi. AO is on a mission to prove something about TM and it's getting old. Lets get back to tennis please guys and let it go.
TennisMaverick
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Cool....Thanks!
Agent Orynge
Professional
What do I need to prove, that he's not already done with his own words? That most of you haven't admitted yourselves? What differs between you and I, is that I simply won't put up with it.
Furthermore, when I do try to let something go, he gets confrontational all over again.
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JackB1
G.O.A.T.
What u dont realize (yet) is that u are fighting a meaningless battle.
We are here to discuss tennis...not criticize each other's personalities and
written words. Great...you aren't going to "put up with it". Does than really make u feel better at the end of the day?
You are becoming very selfish now and making your own agenda and battle with TM the focus of most of these threads.
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Agent Orynge
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Better than I would if I just let him berate me. I want to talk about tennis too, and I do - frequently. To each our own, I suppose.
Jack, I've asked a number of serious questions recently, to each of which he's responded with his usual banter about 'stalking,' and further demeaning my previous occupation. If you want to accuse someone of having an agenda, perhaps you should take a long look at your friend.
Jack, I've asked a number of serious questions recently, to each of which he's responded with his usual banter about 'stalking,' and further demeaning my previous occupation. If you want to accuse someone of having an agenda, perhaps you should take a long look at your friend.
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tom4ny
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i will again say that i am a fan of all things volkl and their products. i believe that volkl delivers on what they claim in their marketing and my opinion is that volkl technology delivers in what is claimed. not everyone will prefer a volkl racquet but for those that do and have played with their frames over the years, it is clear that from v-engine to dnx and now to organix, the frames have evolved to meet the modern tennis era - stiffer frames and faster play. yet, volkl has held true to being arm friendly. one can feel the new technology.
with optispot is is more difficult to determine if it is in fact working. in the sense that one hits more consistently in the center of the sweetspot. part of the problem is that the ball is moving so quickly that it is difficult to determine how centered in the sweetspot the ball is during impact. you can still tell if you hit outside the sweetspot but how centered the ball is within a given area is difficult to determine.
as far as the x8 is concerned I believe that it is a great frame for the style of play that many have today. the hard hitting baseline bashing game that is oh so much fun. you can just wail away and it will be a comfortable hit. i am also surprised that it performs so well for doubles play and volleys with more precision that i would expect from a 16x18 frame.
does the opstispot help? i doubt you will know but you will know what an x8 or x10 does overall for your game. the marketing may overpromise on the optispot but the organix and handle system provide all that you need anyway.
with optispot is is more difficult to determine if it is in fact working. in the sense that one hits more consistently in the center of the sweetspot. part of the problem is that the ball is moving so quickly that it is difficult to determine how centered in the sweetspot the ball is during impact. you can still tell if you hit outside the sweetspot but how centered the ball is within a given area is difficult to determine.
as far as the x8 is concerned I believe that it is a great frame for the style of play that many have today. the hard hitting baseline bashing game that is oh so much fun. you can just wail away and it will be a comfortable hit. i am also surprised that it performs so well for doubles play and volleys with more precision that i would expect from a 16x18 frame.
does the opstispot help? i doubt you will know but you will know what an x8 or x10 does overall for your game. the marketing may overpromise on the optispot but the organix and handle system provide all that you need anyway.
TennisMaverick
Banned
Are you saying that as you hit your OHBH, and that since you contact the ball further out in front of your body, that you can see the Optispot in action at contact?
tom4ny
Professional
i was being slightly sarcastic, especially about the cross strings, but to answer yoru question - yes, i did find it easier to 'watch' how i was hitting the ball on the backhand side with a 1hbh. i cannot tell you if it is optispot but with the x8 i can rip my topspin backhand better than with my red stars. slice is better with my red stars but that makes sense to me.
TennisMaverick
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Hey Hominator!
I'll be hitting on Tuesday, hard, for the first time since before Xmas, with two players in their upper 20's, are currently coaching and play fairly frequently, both of whom played collegiate and pro tennis, who should be easily able to make me shank. I will also play with the sticks stock, except for the X10 325, which is matched to my PB 10 Mid--your hit with it if you remember--so there will be many variables which should not allow me to perform at my normal level of play. Even the X10 325 will be used with the grip unmodified--which for all of the complainers who will modify their sticks but not their grips??? know that grip shapes are an issue--so the feel in my hand and the angle of the racquet face will be different at contact.
If I shank as little as I do with my Stealth PB 10 Mid, or especially if I use my Stealth T10 VE--which has my own blood cells in its graphite matrix--while under the pressure of two 6.5 players' ball quality, with one who is a righty and the other who is a lefty, just to cover all bases and to put a clamp on the mouths of all of the Volkl haters, then the OptiSpot works, and I won't need to know how or why; I'll just leave that to the SPECMOELANDIANS to neurotically obsess over the reasons why, while I just play at a level which they have no common frame of reference. However, if I do shank more, then I will modify the X10 325's grip shape--to remove the last variable--and repeat another workout. For those who don't know, that is how lab experiments work. And FYI: If you don't like my results......
Note: I had not had to hit a ball while on-court in about 6 weeks or more, and I did not mishit once when I play tested the X10 295 stock, totally unmodified, both with and without the vibration dampener. Be advised that I was playing under adverse conditions, as it was nearing dusk, soon after the rain passed and the courts were just dry, under thick, heavy cloud cover, with a fair amount of wind. I didn't mishit or shank. That fact points to a positive result of the system under adverse playing conditions, although, while not under pressure.
TennisMaverick
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Cool....SLICE- it's the head shape...Try the X10 295. It should play close to your Red Star for the slice, but with the advantage of nano carbon tech. It still hit with huge topspin, but it is more precise with flatter balls and volleys.
Sounds good. But I'll say it before others jump in and attack - how will you know it was the Optispot that helped you not mis-hit? How will you know that you weren't just playing well that day? I'm going to guess that others here won't be convinced one way or another.
You know what would be an interesting experiment, is if you could somehow get two racquets, one with an Optispot and one without, and then play both for a week and see if there are any differences...
Nevertheless, I'm interested in your findings!
tom4ny
Professional
thank you! i will go for the x10 295. i have my red stars strung with vs tonic 16 at 61. with the x10 295 should i go 60/57?
TennisMaverick
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Dude...after 40 years of competitive play, I know my body. Every medical practitioner whom I've ever worked with has commented as to how uniquely sensitive I am to my body's condition. So, if I am having a bad day, I'll know; if I am under the weather, I'll know; if my butt hole hurts, my BH will know. And if a player plays "well"--as it may happen maybe only 7 times per year, so I'll definite know--and I'll be quite ecstatic. It's just a matter of comparative reference; that's why there are Volkl haters in-general, and just haters in-particular.
FYI: I may have a stealth frame in my hands soon, so the variable of "no Optispot" on an X Frame, may also be used for a comparison.
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I have an idea to test this Optispot thing. If you have two X10s, take some very small amount of electrical tape and black out the Optispot on the frame. Add a little lead to the other frame to compensate for the electrical tape on the other frame. Also, stencil the entire string bed outside the sweet spot on both racquets. Hit with both and see if there are any differences in mis hits. The stencil ink on the string bed should "record" any mis hits.
TennisMaverick
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At least that low. The Red Star is a flexy frame; the X10 295, overall, is not. It also strings cray tight. Try 60/57 to start. Your stringer is excellent, so you are in good hands--let him know that I said so. You know how to reach me if need be.
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TennisMaverick
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Or perhaps some Kindergarden Tempera paint/poster paint, which will wash off non-stick surfaces with just plain water.
Funny, our talk about black gut is what sparked this idea!
TennisMaverick
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An X stealth or the other, highly anticipated stealth?
Both...unless I get ditched! "It could happen." -Judy Tenuta
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Agent Orynge
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Actually, it's been asked - and ignored. Repudiated, in fact, with quite a bit of inflammatory vigor. Of course, I never ask legitimate questions, because I'm the one who always starts fights...
And if you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.
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The more gas you pump into a car, the more it travels...
To assess the Optispot nonsense, you'd need players who know nothing about it, as players who are aware of what it's supposed to do may consciously or unconsciously play with different intensity and skill if they know which racquet they're using. And of course players who receive support from Volkl would not be able to give an objective assessment.
TennisMaverick
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Hominator:
We have a problem, so I am not hitting today. One of the players got hurt in this morning's workout, and is waiting outside the doctor's office right now. We will try again on Friday. Too bad, it's great weather here in NYC!
Sorry to hear about your player. Are you still supposed to receive the new stealth demo today?
TennisMaverick
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Still waiting...thanks for reminding me...just told, "early June".
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TennisMaverick
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For All Volkl Lovers:
For All Volkl Lovers:
I was just told that the X Line is kicking Major Butt!!!
Everything across the country is back ordered until next Friday when the sticks arrive from China, and the whole...
For All Volkl Lovers:
I was just told that the X Line is kicking Major Butt!!!
Everything across the country is back ordered until next Friday when the sticks arrive from China, and the whole...
Fedace
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I have no idea what you mean by optispot and lining up the hotspot to the ball. do you line up the throat of the racket to the oncoming ball. won't that cause you to hit the ball with the throat of the racket ??
