Volkl Organix X10 Mid

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  1. Hominator

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    My X10 mid Review

    Sorry guys, this whole work thing is getting in the way of my tennis! :)

    For reference, I've previously played with the PB10 mid and X10 325 on and off for about a year. My current stick is the Dunlop Biomimetic F 3.0 Tour. The X10 mid prototype I hit with was the eventual production model, strung with Volkl Vfeel on a constant pull machine at 55/51.5. I'm a former college player from back in the mid-nineties.

    My initial impressions of the frame:

    The X10 mid plays pretty much how I expected it to play, when I heard of its development about 2 years ago. If you are familiar with Volkl's other Organix frames, such as the X10 325, you'll know what I mean, as the Organix material creates a very firm and stable hoop with little to no flex.

    Compared to the PB10 mid, the new X10 mid is more stable and hits a heavier ball. The "flutter" or "wobble" that was prevalent on the PB10 mid is completely gone. The sweetspot continues to be large and forgiving and makes the frame play like it has a bigger head size.

    My impression is also that the X10 mid moves a little slower through the air. This isn't surprising since the PB10 mid moved VERY quickly through the air. Not sure if this is due to a change in balance or not. The feel on contact, however, is very different from the PB10 mid. The X10 mid feels very much like the other Organix racquets in Volkl's line - solid with very little vibration to the hand. I personally like the Organix feel - it feels very clean on contact. Others, especially those who prefer the "traditional Volkl feel" may need some time to get used to this new feel.

    The X10 mid is a very solid stick. If you drive the ball with spin from the baseline, this frame is a beast if you can keep your bat speed up, due to its weight, smaller head size, and stability. This thing hits a heavier ball than My PB10 mid, X10325, and Dunlop Biomimetic F 3.0 Tour, hands down. I'm preparing for some tournaments the first part of the year, so I'm not switching frames. But I'm definitely going to pick up a couple down the road.

    I'm going to reach out to one of the Volkl US playtesters of this frame for his thoughts. When I receive them, I'll post them as well.

    Hope this helps! Please feel free to ask any specific questions.
     
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  2. Hominator

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    Please see my thoughts on the frame, above. And yes, it does string tight like the other Organix frames.
     
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  3. APG

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    I have strung my X10 325, 50/47. Would i look to drop it more or about the same on a smaller head (x10mid) with gut. Is the power still quite controllable if you hit more flat than with spin.
    Thanks for all your input. I don't know if you hit with the LT but with the open pattern this sounds more powerful and with a larger sweetspot.
     
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    X 10 Mid Review

    Here's a review from a friend:

    "The X10 Mid plays like a fully loaded PB 10 Mid but with more bite, and allows for far faster racquet head acceleration. The tip of the frame is substantially more firm than a PB 10 Mid with lead weight at 12:00---even when you take into account racquet head acceleration and far less weight. If you hit with spin, the string bed really bites, surprisingly, even above the sweet spot towards 12:00. The string bed in this stick is exceptionally responsive, and it is very stable at stock weight. One very positive aspect is that the stick applies spin like a 16x19, but, the ball does not fly, so you have similar control to an 18x20, so it ends all of the PB 10 Mid's complaints of being too whippy or that the ball flies. Slices are also driven deep and very skiddy off the bounce.

    "As with all X frames, the X10 feels soft in your hand, even though it is firm on contact. There is no head wobble, and the dwell time is not long in-comparison, if strung at the same tension as a PB 10 Mid. This frame takes the PB 10 Mid as a "feel frame" to a modern spin frame with feel, so traditional Volkl players should be quite happy. Thus, the X10 Mid is a solid update. Also, if the player is good enough, this frame will help his/her game to evolve more to how the game is being played today, with a need for less modification/less added weight, and with little need for conscious adjustments. Lastly, at a 61 stiffness rating, at stock comparisons, it will feel stiffer than the PB 10 Mid, and much stiffer than even a loaded BB LT.

    "The X10 Mid is like the Melbourne, two of the few player's frames over Volkl's past 20 years in the USA, which for most players, plays excellent stock."
     
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    Thank you. I value your friends take on the mid. I am tempted to buy one without demoing. If I string my London Tour with full gut at 50/47 does your friend suggest the same with the Volkl mid. My stringer uses a constant pull machine.
    Thanks in advance.
     
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    Hope Chris will be reviewing it and looking forward to the review :)
     
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  7. zumzool

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    Anyone else tried this racquet? I'm surprised this hasn't been discussed more.
     
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    I tried it for 20 mins. It has more weight distributed towards the head than PB10, and results in much more power and plow-thru. It hits heavier ball than many mid-sized frames like Head IG Prestige Mid, Donnay X-Dual Gold 94, Wilson Pro Staff 90 BLX, Boris Becker London Tour. Actually, it's slightly overpowered but it can be from the string I used - Weisscannon Dual Reality. This string has excellent feel, but weird power level. Full poly should work better with the X10mid. Grip shape is so flat and makes my one handed backhand difficult to execute.

    My friend who uses BB London Tour fell in love with this frame right away. He said the X10mid plays much more solid than his London Tour. We will see how long this honeymoon will last for.

    The X10mid can compare to Wilson K Six One Tour, while the PB10 (older one) is similar to Wilson Pro Staff 85. In overall, this can be another good frame for baseliners.


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    I have been playing with this racket for several days. Mine are strung with full gut at a low tension.
    The previous reviews on this thread are spot on.
    I have been playing with customized BB LT.
    At first playing with this stick was an adjustment. I have a X10325 but never really felt comfortable. I prefer smaller head rackets.
    93 is perfect.
    Once I adjusted to the unique feel I am preferring ( at least for the moment ) the mid. As Hominator indicated this stick feels larger than a 93 in terms of the sweetspot. It has nice plowthru and I am hitting a heavier ball than with my LT's. I am more a flat hitter but I have been incorporating more spin. This stick as one reviewer said Allows you with the open pattern to hit with more spin but with plenty of control.
    It is the best of both worlds. Spin on the serve is more accessible and I am getting more pace on my serves. It is efficient and quite maneuverable when volleying and slice bites nicely.
    Lastly, despite its firm feel it is soft on the arm with no vibration.
    I have not added weight yet but not sure yet the need.
    There is no instability yet detected. I usually prefer something a little over 12ozs but will play stock and experiment.
    I will keep you posted but essentially I can only punctuate and validate what others have said. This is a nice and comfortable stick.
    My LT's will sit for now.
     
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  10. Matchball

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    True, it's a modern/more contemporary feeling stick (some will be happy, others sad)

    I would describe the new Organix 10 Mid as "crisp-mute" rather than "buttery-mute". Hominator nailed it, the other guys here, too. I am not sure comfort or lack of vibrations or anything of the like is better or worse; I would say the new grip did not seem to make much of a difference.

    Stability, yes, especially that tricky upper part of the hoop seems to be an addressed issue. Note that my PB 10s were less head light and the referenced problem of instability high up the head was really not obvious. I know it is inherently there in the "regular" more HL version, because I have a 3rd stick which is like this, more HL and definitely slightly different than the matched pair.

    All in all, the new incarnation is a more modern stick, with unexpected pop right off the stringbed. It is easier to play with more margin from the net and you can potentially get more spin, possibly translating into a heavier ball.

    The flex is totally different (not just because of the organix; notice that the throat area is different and that the frame is also a tad thicker - looks so, too).

    The hard-core "traditionalists" won't like it that much, but people who did not fancy the soft feel and flex of the older version (or for some reason they were turned off by something), especially newcomers searching for plug 'n play easily accessible power and spin, might find some value/utility thanks to the new attributes.

    In some aspects, this new frame felt like the Vcore 89 to me.
     
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    I playtested organix 10 mid today, and it felt great! I previously used C10 Pro and the new organix 10 mid is much more solid than C10 pro IMO. Yes, the silky smooth feeling of powerbridge 10 and C10 pro seems to be gone, but it is still very comfort.

    Compared to C10 Pro, the stringbed seems to be less livelier and more muted, but I think it has more power and pop than organix 10 MP (325). It is very easy to serve and the sweetspot seems to be relatively large too. I played against an aggresive player today and organix 10 mid was not pushed back at all. Compared to my current stick, pure storm tour, it has less power and more control, but adjustment was not so hard.

    Organix 10 mid still has the clean and smooth feel of Volkl, and it is less demanding compared to other mid size frames IMO.

    All in all, a very nice racquet!:)
     
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    Appreciate your take. I concur with your observations. It is a "user friendly" mid. Nice balance of power & control. Volley's superbly.
    Would you consider adding just a little bit of weight to this stick?
    perhaps make it also a little more headlight?
     
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  14. maxpotapov

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    Why is everyone knocking the feel of Organix 10 Mid?
    All I hear is "the silky smooth feeling of [previous generation] seems to be gone"

    What good is "comfort" without "silky smooth feeling"? :(
     
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    Compared to the powerbridge 10, I think organix 10 mid seems to be head-heavy, but IMO this might be the reason why this stick is so stable and not so much whippy. Producing RHS for serve and groundstroke is not a problem at all with organix 10 mid, so I don't think I will add weight in order to make it more headlight. I really like the fact that organix 10 mid produces heavier ball than powerbridge 10 and C10 Pro.
     
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  16. Dasol

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    Good point! :)

    I do not know, but for me volkl is always for its unique "feel" compared to other frames, so whenever people talk about volkl, it is so natural for them to mention the feel IMO.

    When I say organix 10 mid is still comfort, though the previous silky smooth feel is gone, I am comparing it to other frames such as from Babolat or even from Wilson. I like the frames from them, but compared to volkl, they are much more crisp and sometimes harsh to me. Although organix 10 mid is not so much silky smooth like powerbridge 10 or C10 pro that I used, compared to Babolat's and Wilson's frames, I think it is much softer and plusher. Also, when I feel the "clean" feel of the frame, rather than jarring feel, I describe it as comfort too.
     
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    OK that feels better! :)
    I play tested PB 10 Mid and would not mind the same feel but with less metallic overtones. So maybe this muted version is just it.
     
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  18. Dasol

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    APG,

    Is Organix 10 mid good with full gut at low tension? I playtested it with NRG2 at 55, and it was quite powerful yet no problem with control. Somebody here mentioned that full poly might be a better option for Organix 10 mid, so I want to know your experience with full gut at low tension
     
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    I have demoed this racket for 2 days now and It is very nice. It has great feel and very good spin. It is surprising at the amount of spin it gives for a small head size.

    Good power also the ball really goes through the court, I am very impressed with this racket. I demoed the old model and liked it to, but this one is much better playing to me. Anyone that likes a racket in this spec range should really give it a try.
     
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  20. APG

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    Dasol,
    I have never played with poly's because of elbow issues in the past. However, the mid plays very smoothly with full gut.
    I do not see any drop off in control. I hit more flat but I am getting a fair amount of spin with the mid. I strung it at 50/47(c) and as would expect there is plenty of power on tap but control as well. I string my sticks with Wilson 17 which is close to the old Babolat formulation. Strung at low tensions there is that organix stiff but soft sensation. It is hard to describe but what most people call the Volkl feeling. This set up appears to also get some ball pocketing.
     
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  21. tlm

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    I tried this racket again today and I am more impressed every time out. This is one special racket, one of the nicest feeling rackets I have ever used with great spin power and control.
     
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    What is its real strung weight, 11.8 or 12.1 oz?
     
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  23. tlm

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    The one that I am demoing weighs 11.9 ounces.
     
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    Tlm,

    What string/tension do you have for this stick? Since I am playtesting with a demo strung with NRG2 at 55, (so I cannot change string) I want to know what string/tension others use for organix 10 mid.

    IMO, multis like NRG 2 seems to be fine and I can drop the tension a little bit more. Have you used with poly?
     
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  25. tlm

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    The first set up I tried was volkl cyclone 17 at 55 lbs. and it was pretty good. Then tried dunlop black widow 17 at 60 lbs. and it did not play as well.
     
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    I am thinking about ordering one but there's no 4 5/8 grip available?
     
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    When is the written review going to be posted? I'm curious what numbers they will assign to the various categories.
     
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  28. 1st Seed

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    Finally got it from back order.Slapped on the usual Gut/PHT 50-48lbs.Taking it out for a test drive tomorrow.Very nice looking love the all black look,Ill give a mini-review soon some pics to enjoy[​IMG][/IMG][​IMG][/IMG]Feels like a beast even without lead:}
    I hit really flat Very little spin.Volkl sticks are awesome
     
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  29. MesQueUnClub

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    I'm tempted to try this, but I am very happy with my PB10 mids which is perfect for my game. The racquetaholic in me wants to try a new racquet - though I am not planning to switch. Right now it's a toss up between this and the C10 pro. what to do...
     
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    Volkl Players Package

    Just thought you guys might be interested in seeing what a Volkl-sponsored player gets (not me).

    The standard player package includes 5 frames, 12 sets of string, a mega bag, Volkl t-shirts, about a half dozen socks, Volkl stencil and ink. Not all items are included in the pics since some items were backordered.

    I was part of Head's College Pro program back in the early nineties and didn't get nearly this much stuff...

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    Wow, thanks for sharing these pictures!!

    Previously I heard that Volkl does not sponsor pro players in order to concerntrate on developing their technology, rather than spending lots of money for advertising. But it might be wrong info, or they sponsor college players.

    Anyway, any further reviews on Organix 10 mid??
     
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  32. Hominator

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    I haven't hit with the X10 mid since I playtested and reviewed the prototype a few weeks ago. I'll probably consider switching to it later this summer, but right now, I'm very happy with my current racquets.
     
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  33. ChimayBlue

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    Hi! I'm considering switching to Organix 10 mid,but I can't demo the racquet.
    Two years I was using Pb10 Mid which is great racquet,but there was always to much oscillation from the frame and was little to muted but overall great stick. So I was wondering is organix good change up from pb10 mid. Has anyone here made the switch?
    Is organix 10 mid more firmer and crisper then pb10 mid,I am little suspicious towards Organix because of the new specs, I 'm afraid it might be to head heavy or little sluggish through the air?
    I'm also considering YONEX VCORE TOUR 89 switch ,so if anyone has made it, I would like to hear their opinion?
    Thanks!!
     
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  34. mrmike

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    Here is a recent comment from TW Chris comparing these two frames and the C10.
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7240558&postcount=23
     
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    Thanks mrmike! I'm hoping for little more opinions!!
     
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    Check "Customer Reivews" for more feedbacks.
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/feedback-VO10M.html

    Some people complains the lack of maneuverability due to feeling of higher swingweight with X10 M even though it has lower swingweight in its spec compared to PB10 M.
     
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    I demo'd the Organix 10 and hated it. I thought it felt stiff compared to the PB10 and felt the sweet spot was MUCH smaller (Prestige Mid and Blade Tour are also 93 sq" and have tighter string patterns but the sweet spot on both is larger).
     
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    Do you think it is sluggish or to much head heavy??
    Maybe you should try lower your string weight!!
     
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  39. Dasol

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    I haven't used the Prestige Mid and Blade Mid, but I do not think the sweetspot of Organix 10 mid is small. Every time I play with Organix 10 mid, I am suprised by how big the sweetspot is despite of its small headsize. Maybe your string tension is too tight or your demo string is not good.
     
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    Anymore updates? I'm thinking of buying one to try out. For the last 6yrs have been using Yonex RDS001 90 and was wondering if anybody can offer any comparison.
     
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    hmm the responses to the X10mid seem to be polarized. I was hoping that this was going to be a true update to my previous beloved (pb10 mid).
     
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    I currently play with an older model Blade 98. I want something easier on my 46 year old shoulder. Is this the one? Would this racket be stable against other 5.0, 46 year old men? I have a big serve and long, spinny groundstrokes.
     
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    this looks like my current stick - a tad davis classic - with a paint job! (recreational hacker that hits long most of the time ,but doesn't really care)
     
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  44. Hominator

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    I'm a former college player and I still hit with current college players. It's plenty stable in stock form.
     
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    don't think that is a valid comparison because everyone complained about how fast the PB 10 Mid swung when it first came out, and the standard mod was to put some lead at 2/10, which seemed to work for everyone (see http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=317834&highlight=Volkl+PB10+Mid). I would say that the X10 Mid fixes the PB 10 Mid's problems. The extra weight at 2/10 also got rid of the head wobble in the PB 10 Mid, so it could be argued that the X10 Mid fixed everything, and is more modern as well. It can be played as is. No one at all has been talking about customizing it as they did with the PB 10 Mid, and that is rare with any racquet.
     
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    To light/too heavy; to heavy/too light. Can't make anyone happy!
     
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  47. tmc5005

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    Is the X10 mid different than the VOLKL Organix 10 Mid Tennis Racquet, the
    VOLKL Organix 10 Mid Tennis Racquet just came out.
    The specs are

    Head Size:93 sq. in MP
    Length:27 inches
    Weight:Strung — 12.2 oz Unstrung — 11.6 oz
    Tension:50-60 pounds
    Balance:8 Pts Head Light
    Beam Width:19 mm
    Composition:Organix/Carbon
    Flex:59
    Grip Type:Biotac Grip
    Power Level:Low
    String Pattern: 16 Mains / 19 Crosses
    Mains skip: 8T, 7H, 9H
    Two Piece
    No Shared Holes
    Swing Speed:Fast
    Swing Weight:318
     
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  48. eidolonshinobi

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    Ughhhh...Do I have to switch back to Volkl!? haha


    Those who think it's too heavy, probably don't have the skill to wield this frame.
     
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  49. SJSA

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    X10 mid = Organix 10 Mid
     
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  50. Sander001

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    I ordered one. My first new racquet in some 6yrs and really look forward to it.
    Have never really hit with a Volkl before and curious to find out what this famous Volkl feel is all about. I'm a long time Yonex user[001 Mid mostly] and I'm trying to find a good compromise between the control of a Midsize and the spin of a Mid+. Sometimes I bust out the old RDS002Tour and it has a ridonculous amount of spin.

    Anyway, what can I expect?
     

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