Volkl Organix X10 Mid

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  1. 1st Seed

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    Loving Mine

    Hi guys,Girls:arrow:Mind you I only have three hours or so with it so far.Really is a different animal then the PB 10.Way more pop,no where near as soft,Really feel the additional swingweight.I have not even contemplated putting lead on

    My PB 10's are roughly the 365g range with lead at 3&9.After putting on my babo replacement grip and then an overgrip over that my X10 weighs in at 340.Gut\ poly set-up 50lbs.

    I agree with previous posters that this is a really good update,Volkl addressed all the issues that the pb was lacking,but still not wondering too far off from its roots.Still is comfortable,Same great feel not quite as buttery smooth.Really stable,delivers a very heavy ball.Slices are deadly.Just the added swingweight for those of you who preferred NOT to customize the PB will be a real difference.
    Any questions i'll try to report back swiftly
    Take Care
     
  2. eidolonshinobi

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    I wonder why this is the case with the swingweight. TW lists the X10mid as 318g, and the PB10mid at 320g. The X10 mid also has a lighter average static weight of 11.8oz vs 12.1 of the PB10mid.
     
  3. SJSA

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    Because the balance points are different: X10 mid (6 pts) vs PB10 mid (10 pts)
     
  4. MesQueUnClub

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    I broke down and bought one. Should be here in a couple of days.

    EDIT : Well it's here. With an overgrip and a dampner it weighs 354 grams (12.5 oz) heavier than my PB10 mids. 8 pts HL.
    The swing weight definitely feels much higher than the PB10 mids.
     
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  5. Cesar1992

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    My coach was one of the six guys who play tested the two prototypes which they chose to make the final decision as to which one to produce, and all six agreed on the final produced version. According to Volkl, both frames have the identical specs. However, the PB 10 Mid has a stiffness rating of 59 RA, and the X10 Mid's stiffness rating is 61 RA. He said that during the first hit, you could feel the difference in how the racquet swung in the air vs the PB 10 Mid; it swung normal, whereas the PB 10 Mid swung faster. He needed no adjustment period with the X10 Mid, but required days with the PB 10 Mid, until he added some weight at 2/10. He switched to the X10 Mid last November, and customized them to match his individual specs as he did with the PB 10 Mid.
     
  6. zumzool

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    For as many players who loved the PB10 Mid, I'm surprised we haven't heard more about the update to this frame. I couldn't wait any long and finally purchased one. I've been reluctant to post however since I haven't been playing for the last 2 months. My conditioning and footwork have been atrocious but i finally have a few hitting sessions with it to form an opinion. AS others have said, the Organix 10 Mid update is a lot more stable in stock form. However, I have found the PB10 to be more forgiving. This could be due to the string set up I used for the Organix 10 Mid (cyclone 17 at 54/56). It was a bit jarring on off center hits although performed much better when i took the vibration dampener off. I suspect I'm just not a fan of the more modern crispy feel.
     
  7. Sander001

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    Played my first match with the X10 Midsize and I really like it! Even though mine came in at 12.3oz/349gr and 323SW it felt light swinging it, quite a bit lighter than my Yonex 001 90's. I thought it would be flimsy but it actually held up alright though my 001's are quite a bit more solid especially on the volley. I will definitely add a leather grip to make it sturdier.

    Anyway, groundstrokes were very good, big sweetspot and nice power with very good control. Not as consistent as my Yonex but still very good overall. Serving was excellent: Good pace with control on the 1st serve and 2nd serve kickers had plenty of margin and action.

    A bit disappointed in the feel and comfort. Was hoping for a substantial improvement but all in all, I am impressed, especially since this is my first new racquet 6yrs. To go straight into a match with a new racquet without practice and win easily, is maybe the highest praise of all.
    Cool info!
    Makes sense about the flex as a lighter example[like the specs on the TW page] will flex more.
     
  8. MesQueUnClub

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    Played 4 sets of doubles with my racquet. Strung at 50/46 with TB 17G. Like I had mentioned earlier mine came in at 12.5 oz with an overgrip and dampner.

    Initial impression : To start with the bad, that buttery smooth feel of PB10 mid is not there in this one. The frame is still soft but very muted. With Pb10 mid, I felt connected to ball, but with this one, it's like you have to check the ball to know if you actually hit the ball or not. I am exaggerating a bit, but you get the point.

    Everything else is a positive. The serves are much better with this one. My only issue with the Pb10 mid is that it's not he best serving stick around. I can hit where I want with it, but the power was not there. X10 mid solves that issue. Plenty of power with placement with this frame.

    Volleys were crisp and even with the relative lack of feel, the touch shots were fine. The frame is rock solid stable.

    Returns were about the same and nothing to complain about. Slice stayed low and was biting.

    That's all I have from playing doubles.
     
  9. eidolonshinobi

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    Doesn't explain the static weight.
     
  10. SJSA

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    TW review for this racket just posted.
     
  11. Sander001

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    Thanks.
    Yeah after my second outing I have to agree with Andy saying it's bit unstable vs. heavier hitters.
    I still have to see how it plays with an increase in weight from leather grip.
     
  12. SJSA

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    Add lead tapes at 3 & 9 for stability.
    I had the same issue with EXO3 Tour 16x18.
    Keep updating your review.
    I'm interested buying this racket.
     
  13. Matchball

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    It feels better with leather grip, feel/feedback is more direct and the racquet does need the extra HL-ness.
     
  14. Cesar1992

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    It plays excellent stock if you play a modern topspin game. If you hit flatter, then add some lead at 3/9. I think that this frame is one of the best mids out there.
     
  15. dje31

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    Can anyone compare the X10 Mid to the IG Prestige Mid?
     
  16. eidolonshinobi

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    According to the review and comparative ratings, both Chris and Granville like the new X10 mid more than the PB10mid.

    I guess they both thought that this was an upgrade to the previous version. Contrary to what most people on this thread feel about this racquet.

    I wish I could demo this badboy and see for myself.
     
  17. Sander001

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    Andy didn't seem to like this racquet very much, his overall score was a 7 while everybody else's was at least an 8.2!

    Does anybody know if they all use the same particular racquet for a review?
     
  18. Hominator

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    I know what you mean, regarding feel. However, in my own experience, the feel is there, but it's very different from the pre-Organix frames. In my opinion, it just takes some time to adjust to.
     
  19. Cesar1992

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    Really? Could it be because you were coming from a Dunlop? When I told my coach what you said, he emailed me: "I totally enjoy its "normal" swing though the air, as opposed to the PB 10 Mid's "Daytona speed" though the hitting zone. I haven't leaded mine-up yet since I've been ill, but the X10 Mid plays very similar to my customized PB 10 Mid, albeit lighter. All I did when I play tested it was to swing with more spin, which is exactly what it was designed to do. It isn't as much of a feel stick as the PB 10 Mid; it is a powered-up PB 10 Mid." He said "what's up", BTW!
     
  20. Hominator

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    Haha, please tell him I said hello - it's been awhile since I trained with him. Will hopefully get to train with him and some of his players this summer.

    Regarding feel, I was referring to feel on contact, not feel or timing through the air. Some people who are used to the taditional Volkl feel comment that the new Organix frames lack feel - I disagree with this.

    To me, the Organix mix changes the feel from that of a traditional graphite frame, but to say that the feel is gone is incorrect (again, in my opinion). I get what they are saying though, as my first impression when I playtested some of the first Organix frames that Volkl produced a few years ago was the same, but after a few weeks, I realized that it's just a different feeling from what I was used to.

    So basically, what I was trying to say was that for those players who are put off by the different feel of the Organix mix in the X10 mid, just give it some time.
     
  21. Cesar1992

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    The difference is that instead of feeling soft/flexible, they feel muted/soft on contact but firm. The dwell time which Volkls are known for can still be found in lower string tensions, which is necessary anyway, because all X-sticks string tight. Even the BB sticks are stiffer, now that only the NYC is being produced. I anxiously await the two new frames, which will be a London update and a "Melbourne like" stick.
     
  22. Hominator

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    Yeah, I used to string my X10s in the 40s, about 10 pounds less than what I normally string. Totally changes the feel of the racquet.
     
  23. jonahnaturals

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    I've noticed that there haven't been too many reviews of the Organix 10 Mid relative to all the feedback shared on the PB 10 Mid.

    Hoping to read more people's experiences with this frame?

    Thank you...
     
  24. gusgrand

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    X10 Mid with Black Shark 16

    I've just ordered one today with Kirchbaum Black Sharks 16 strung at 52lbs, I also ordered a leather grip just in case I need a bit more feel.
    It should be with me in a few days so I'll give my opinion of this racket with these strings as different strings at different tensions means if you where blindfolded you could be playing with a totally different racket so I'll be aware that my opinion will be completely subjective.
     
  25. Russell Finch

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    I just received one yesterday, and like many others I have to say the published TW specs look off. Mine is 328g unstrung, 2g below Volkl's spec, and will work out much higher that TW's 335g when it's strung. The racquet they tested for those specs is clearly an outlier so why they continue to resist changing them is very strange indeed.

    EDIT - It was 344g strung (12.1 oz)

    I then replaced the stock grip with a Gamma leather one, put on the overgrip and a dampener, and it ended up 364g (12.8oz)

    Weirdly both my PB 10 mids started out 330g unstrung and ended up 372g (13.1 oz) with the same changes. So the X10 mid started out 2g lighter and ended up 8g lighter. Either the stock grip is heavier on the X10, or gamma leather grips have got lighter.
     
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  26. Carolina Racquet

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    I playtested the X 10 mid... and it's a sweet frame. From those who have hit both, most prefer the Powerbridge version. I would buy that between the two (plus it's cheaper).

    Good luck
     
  27. RiggensAuroraHO

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    I found that the faster you swing, the more comfortable you will be with the X10 Mid, especially if your volleys and serve need a little more pop.
     
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    Great to know, thank you.
     
  29. ChimayBlue

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    Hi to you all!
    I'm wander between X10 mid,PB10 mid,Yonex VT89
    Have a few questions regarding X10 mid and some comparison!
    Has anyone put a leather grip on X10 mid cause to me it feels a little head-heavy and the one thing I would transfer from PB10 mid is the head-light feel!
    What do you think how much balance points would you gain from putting a leather grip on X10 mid?
    In stock form PB10 mid 10pts headlight,X10 mid 6pts headlight!?

    Regarding frames a mentioned above,I have a chance to get 2 Yonex VCoreTour 95D racquets,so has anyone had experience with either of these frames to express its opinion or judgement!Where would you put VT 95D regarding this lineup and especially compared between X10 mid!

    Saw in some threads made by Hominator,this one also,that ha has lot of experience with X10 mid,Pb10 mid and that he judged Vcore 95D in one of the threads as a Graet frame it would be nice to hear his opinion?
    Thanks!!
     
  30. SteveI

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    Great Deal From TW on this one...:)

    Good Morning All:

    Just took advantage of one outstanding deal from TW on this frame. Using all the deals offered by TW on this frame I was able to obtain this frame (strung) and a bag... shipped for $55.. and change.

    Planning to use this as training frame since it a bit out of spec for me. This frame has a outstanding PJ and looks marvelous. Hit a few ball with it today and man is this thing solid. Mine came in at 12.3 oz and 8 points HL (with one overgrip and Volkl Vibration Dampener). Just from the swings I took.. I am feeling about 320 or so on the SW. This stick seems to hit a very heavy ball to be sure. Do not see this one getting pushed around to be sure. This one in the right hands will be doing some serious damage. The sweetspot seems to be 80% of the stringbed compared to some other frames I own. Can't wait to get outside with this one... :) Have to go now and lift some weights...:)
     
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  31. DrumWizOHBD

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    I got the same deal. It's really a steal. I'm digging it. It is slightly heavier than I'm used to as well. But, you're right: It does not get pushed around. It just feels so sweet, and I'm getting some serious spin with Cyclone at 44lb!
     
  32. SteveI

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    I was like.. cool a free bag? And this great frame... Can't let this go. If you are looking for a sweet frame for a great price. Go for it!!

    I have mine strung with Syn Gut at 50...it is just so solid and sweet!!

    Not sure I can win with it.. but a great training frame for me.
     
  33. SJSA

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    I have played with this racquet last two years.
    It is stable and arm-friendly racquet with a big sweet spot compared to its size, plus control and plow through power.
    $59 for a player's racquet like this is really a steal.
    I like this one better than PB 10 Mid and Volkl won't produce it anymore once it is gone like PB 10 Mid.
     
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    where is the deal? I bought 3 of these last week and no deal (other than the sweet price of $59).
     
  35. SteveI

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    If you go to the Facebook page...Click on Discounts...rackets.. pick the X10 mid.. 10% off.. then at check out.. TW added a N/C bag.. :)

    Hope that helps...

    Steve
     
  36. SteveI

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    Sweetspot is massive... on this one.

    From TWU:

    Power 21" - 40.6
    Sweet Zone 30% in2 - 18.5

    Have not seen many frames this high.

    The numbers match the frame..
     
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    The sweetspot feels really big! I was so amazed, one of the best players racquets I've ever hit with for full-stretch or on the run shots. It's like a never-ending sweetspot!
     
  38. SteveI

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    I see you are also playing the Bio 100. I have and use a Dunlop AG 4D 100. How does the Volkl Organix X10 mid compare to the Bio 100.

    Thanks!!

    Steve
     
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    Control @ low tension

    DrumWiz, how is control at 44? I have gone as low as 48 with Cyclone 18g. When I used cyclone tour @51 it was too powerful, hence I am hesitant to go lower with my current string.
     
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    They feel quite different. The BIO 100 is more muted, with much less power and smaller and less forgiving sweetspot. The BIO has more of that ProStaff 85 solid feel but in a lighter more maneuverable package. Dunlop is more precise and has more pinpoint control, especially at net. But it is definitely lacking in feel compare to X10 MID. Spin comes with less effort on the BIO, but I thinks that's because of the lighter overall weight. The X10 swings heavier, but once you get it going it has great momentum and I actually finds it swings through the air easily. I get tons more "bite" with the Volkl, but requires more effort. X10 hits a heavier ball, but if you have a lot of racquet head speed, you can get really high jumping loopy shots with the Biomimetic 100. Also, I find the BIO to be more prone to twisting when blocking hard shots back.

    Both sticks are comfortable, I don't feel vibrations coming through the handle in either racquet. But the flex of the Volkl allows me to feel a nice connection to the ball. You can really feel which part of the hoop you strike the ball, whereas on the Dunlop you can only tell if you hit the sweetspot or somewhere outside the sweetspot. Volkl is very forgiving (for a player's frame) outside the sweetspot, even with full poly. The Dunlop dumps most of it's inherent power outside the sweetspot. Bio's narrow head shape is very apparent compare to Volkl x10 when swinging for topspin.

    Volkl has more of that plowthrough. Serves are much heavy with X10.

    Biomimetic 100 Pros:
    -Maneuverable
    -Pinpoint accuracy, especially at net
    -Comfortable

    Cons:
    -Lack of feel, too muted
    -lack of stability against heavy hitters
    -tiny sweetspot

    Volkl Organix 10 MID Pros:
    -Feel
    -Spin
    -Forgiving
    -Solid
    -Power

    Cons:
    -slightly less control on flat shots
    -a little too heavy for long hitting sessions for my current fitness level
    -Less power than my Yonex VCore Tour 89 I've been playtesting lately
     
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    A lot may depend on your strokes. I tend to be able to adjust to whatever racquet, string type, and tension i have in my hand. I tend to string poly a little looser for comfort and it makes me hit a little extra spin to keep the ball in then lines.

    I have used Cyclone 18g and 17g, and find the 18 is springier, but starts to feel like a board when strung above 52 for me, where I have found the 17g to feel softer at higher tension for some reason. I'm probably crazy.

    I'm trying Cyclone tour for the first time in one of my other racquets, and I find it much more powerful than regular cyclone. Tour is quite soft for a poly.

    Cylone at 44 in the X10 Mid is fine for me. It does have a kind of trampoline feel on flat shots. So, if your not used to stringing poly low, this sensation can be a bit of an adjustment. This means that on slow to medium swings you will feel the ball trampoline of the strings, where you don't get that "POP" feel and sound that you would at higher tensions. Heavy shots give you a nice "Crack" sound however. For me these low tensions are nice on flexy racquets because you can make changes in your swing on the fly due to the extra dwell time.

    With topspin, you get extra spin due to what I call a slingshot effect as opposed to pure bite. Cyclone was only $4 when purchased with the stick at TW, So I just figured if it was too lose, I could just cut it out. I should also mention that this is the only only String and tension I have used so far with the Organix 10.

    If you can play with Cyclone 18g at 48, you should try it at 44 or 45lb and experience the extra spin. You can also try 17 or 16g Cyclone to get more control. Just a side note, I felt like 18g Cyclone loses its playability a couple hours sooner than 17g.
     
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    Thanks!

    Thanks for detailed post DrumWiz. I will try 46 first & then 44 (flat hitter here) to see how it works.
     
  43. morten

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    43 multi here.. good frame, now if the Volkl handle shape was different. . I just cant get used to it. . So flat and awkvard. ..
     
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    It's a bit of an adjustment for me as well. I do like the really sharp bevels however.
     
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    i have tried to change the shape with headguard tape, on the bare handle, the two widest panels, to make it a bit rounder.. i will see how it goes.. or i will be back with Donnay/Wilson again soon.
     
  46. SteveI

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    Does this frame have the normal Volkl pallet system? If so.. you could switch them out for the alternate ones..with the more normal shape.
     
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    How did you like the grip after making these alterations?
     
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    You can use S-pallets, which are rounder.
     
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    Better, but hard to make it right. The widest bevels are so wide, hard to change that...
     
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    Maybe I missed it, but can somebody please compare the organix 10 mid with the Becker London tour?
     

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