Volkl Tour10MP Gen2 Specs - available Feb

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  1. NoBadMojo

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    Here are specs for the Gen2 w. a February availability. They've got the swingweight down while keeping the static weight significant enough and also not making it so headlight. looks sweet to me and i bet it will have some nice controllable power and a nice soft ball feel.
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    Tour 10 Mid Plus Generation II
    Specifications
    Head Size: .....................................................98 in2 (630 cm2)
    Cross Section: ................................................20 mm.
    Length: ..........................................................27” (68.5 cm.)
    Weight (Unstrung): .......................................11.5 oz. (325 grams)
    Weight (Strung): ...........................................12.0 oz. (340 grams)
    Balance (Unstrung): ......................................1.1 inches Head Light (31.5 cm)
    Balance (Strung): ..........................................0.7 inches Head Light (32.5 cm)
    Swing Weight (Unstrung): ............................290 kgcm2
    Swing Weight (Strung): ................................315 kgcm2
    Flex (Unstrung): ............................................60 RA
    Flex (Strung): ................................................58 RA
    Grip Sizes: .....................................................4 1/8” – 4 3/4” (sizes 1-6)
    Grip Type (replacement band): .....................Pro Gear Grip
    Comfort Handle Technology: .......................Sensor Tour Handle System
    Frame Construction:.......................................Carbon, Graphite, Fiberglass
    ........................................................................Features Pure Fiber Technology
    Frame Type ....................................................Precise Frame
    String Pattern: ................................................16 X 19 Dynamic Power Control Pattern
    Recommended String Tension:......................55 lbs. + / - 5 lbs. (25 kp + / - 2 kp)

    Ideal for 4.5 to 7.0 players
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  2. chazz

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    How many points headlight is that racquet going to be when strung?
     
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  3. tkoets

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    Chazz, about 5.5 points HL, because 1 point = 1/8 in.
     
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  4. BreakPoint

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    Actually, I think it's more like 5.5 points HL. (If 1 pt. = 1/8 in., then 8 pts. = 1 in, so 0.7 in. x 8 pts. = 5.6 pts.)

    Anyway, the specs sound great. Can't wait to try it. Hope it's better than the V-Engines.
     
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    Oops, I just drooled on my keyboard. The specs make it look like the perfect replacement for my battered C-10 Pros. Slight concern, however, about the amount of fiberglass in the construction. I hope the carbon and graphite mitigates that; I don't want it feeling like the V-Engines.
     
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  6. NoBadMojo

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    django what makes the v-engines feel like the v-engines is the v-engine :) and not the layup. this will be a traditional feeling frame w.o the v-engine. the v-engine stiffens that part of the frame..
     
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    I agree, guys, looks really sweet. The 315 SW is great, too! I will have to give this creature a try one way or the other.
     
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  9. jayserinos99

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    anyone know if volkl will come out with a 93 sq. in. version of the tour10 gen2?
     
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    Why is flex different for strung and unstrung racquet (58/60) ?

    It might FEEL different, but isn't flex a physical property of the frame?
     
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    swingweights too light.....
     
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  12. Deuce

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    Man, how many bloody racquets do people need?

    Tour 10 MP, Tour 10 Mid, Tour 10 V-engine MP, Tour 10 V-engine Mid, Tour 10 Generation 2...

    Absolutely ridiculous. "If you build it, they will come" and "There's one born every minute" have never held more true than today in the insane world of tennis racquet marketing, where people are CONSTANTLY drooling over the next racquet which promises to be the 'best ever' - until word of the next one gets out, of course.

    It has become like women shopping for shoes - perpetual and completely irrational.
     
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    Deuce, this IS a racquet section. No? Pity TW doesn't have a section for cynics or anti-capitalists. :roll:
     
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  14. ohplease

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    We do - we just call it the racquet section.
     
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  15. jayserinos99

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    there is a rants and raves section.
     
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    Perhaps there should be created a section named 'All About Obsessions - Men: Tennis Racquets; Women: Shoes'

    Just pick a damn shoe and walk.

    Just pick a damn racquet and play.
     
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  17. Yolkl

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    Can anyone tell me from these specs whether this frame will be less demanding than the other tour 10 models ?
     
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    soon we will know..if the specs <swingweight> are right, this bat will be easier to swing than the other 10series frames, so i would say that is less demanding. i'm sure the sweetspot will be very forgiving, 16mains for spin, etc
     
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  19. Yolkl

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    Will it play like a rdx 500 mp ?

    The specs are remarkably similiar.
    The big difference looks like the composition.
    RdX grahite/titanium
    Gen II Carbon/graphite/fiberglass.
     
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  20. NoBadMojo

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    here are the yonex specs from TW
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    98 sq. in. / 632 sq. cm.
    Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
    Strung Weight: 11.7oz / 332g
    Balance: 8pts Head Light
    Swingweight: 315
    Stiffness: 62
    Beam Width: 18-21 mm
    Composition: High Modulus Graphite / Nickel Titanium Composite
    Power Level: Low
    Swing Speed: Fast
    Grip Type: Yonex Cushion Grip
    String Pattern:
    16 Mains / 19 Crosses
    Mains skip: 8T, 8H
    Two Piece
    No shared holes
    String Tension: 55-65 pounds
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    i can assure you these two frames wont play very similarly, one reason being the differing headshapes which offer different sweetspots. all of the Volkls I have ever hit with that have the classic volkl headshape offer a very generous sweetspot which extends higher in the stringbed where alot of players (including better players hit their serves and their volleys at times). the sweetspot in the standard Yonex shaped frame doesnt seem to extend up as high in the hoop and that's why i feel this racquet isnt as responsive on either serves or volleys as the Volkl. <but it sure is sweet on the groundies> intriguing about the Gen2 is that it has more static weight than the RDX, is a little less headlight, but yet has the same swingweight as the RDX....assuming these specs to be precise of course. this leads me to believe this frame is going to be pretty special, especially with some good old fiberglass in the layup..and no worries about different specs for different gripsizes...by the way, for some reason i have found the Volkl 3/8 pallet to be a bit less rectangular than either the 4 or 5 sizes (i've recently gone to smaller gripsizes). so if you like less rectangular buy the 3 gripsize and build that puppy up as necessary which will also round it off just a bit more..hope this helps.
    i am thinking that Volkl will have the gen2 just right....it's replacing the venerable C1o Pro and a popular frame in the Tour10MP..i dont think they can possibly afford to screw this up.
    also the tension range is lower in the gen2..but all speculation for now. i'll string mine up as soon as they come and post my take for anyone interested, having playtested the RDXmp for TW before as well.
    Dsclaimer: This is not a personal attack on anyone using the RDXmp, or the mid, or any of the Yonex products, nor an attack on anyones' offspring, parents, or heirs...i encourage everyone to use whatever they wish;O
     
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  21. AndrewD

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    NoBadMojo,

    Just a couple of questions about the Volkls. Firstly, why did you initially choose the Tour10 MP over the C10 Pro when the C10 has, according to specs, a slightly higher weight and, according to review, higher power level?

    Also, what I meant to ask in another thread, when I tried the C10 I found it pretty dead in the upper part of the head. Does the Tour10 MP in any way eliminate that dead feeling?
     
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  22. NoBadMojo

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    andrew i think what you are noticing is that the c1o pro is alot more headlight than the t10 and some think that makes racquets either feel unstable or flimsy or something. i think the c10 to be less powerful than the t10. i dont find the c10 to be dead up high. the t10 isnt as headlight and you may think that better and giving you more response higher up. i like the t10 better because it is firmer in the upper hoop than the c10 and i think that gives you a bit more juice. you could also maybe be feeling the really flexy head of the c10 pro..i found it a little too noodley for my tastes, but there are no shortage of people loving this frame..it's a classic
     
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  23. AndrewD

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    Thanks again NBMJ.
    The price of the C10 is still prohibitive here in Oz, even through TW (around the 300 mark) but I was asking as the T10 MP is far more accessible at 180 (including shipping) and it was the one you recommended to me. It also comes up on the TW site as an alternative to the LM Rad which I did like (too expensive again). Will see if there's any chance of having a hit with one while Im in Melbourne, otherwise it might be the frame I have to just take a chance on.
     
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  24. crosscourt

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    AndrewD -- in case it helps, I don't think that the C10 has as much power as the T10, and the feel is different. The C10 has a tinny feel that some love, but I hated. The T10 is just a comfortable racket. I wouldn't say that the C10, T10 and LMRad are similar rackets. The feel of each is different, and though I guess you get used to what you play with, I think that if you play tested all three you would prefer the feel of one over the others. Can't say which one it would be for you, but looking at the prices you quote, the T10 looks very good value for a very good racket.
     
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  25. Mies

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    Well, it appears the gen 2 is out in Holland already (at least it's up at one webstore), so I will have a go with it next week. If it indeed is available for testing, I'll put a story up somewhere in the following weeks with my findings.

    Regards
     
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  26. AndrewD

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    Crosscourt, thanks very much. Bit tough where I live to playtest any racquets (LM and C10 were exceptions) so Im likely going to have to buy on faith. NBMJ's been giving me a bit of advice to make the choice a bit better. Nailed it down to the Rad, T10mp and POG (mid or o/s).

    I think I know what you mean about the 'tinny' kind of feel in the C10. Just didn't feel 'right' to me or as solid as the Rad which felt good all around - half my luck lol. Might just wait to see what reviews people come up with regarding the new Tour10 before diving in the deep end.
     
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  27. Yolkl

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    Please be quick about it. I'm on the edge of my seat.
     
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  28. Mies

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    Well Yolkl, I have to send my current 2 demo's (LM prestige MP and RDX 500 Mid) back first before I can get 2 new rackets from the company. I will send the current ones back on saturday and (if they have em available) I'll have the Volks (testing the tour 10 mp gen 2 and the v 10 mid) in my hands by next week tuesday. I probably won't hit with it till next week thursday, when I have my weekly training so......next week friday (at it's earliest) I will be able to post.....now let's hope that they do have em available :)....
     
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  29. Yolkl

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    Mies-Have you tried the Slaz X 1 yet ?
     
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  30. Mies

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    Yolkl,
    Unfortunately, the internet shops I usually get my demo's from don't sell the Slaz X 1 so I'm going to check with my trainer if he can get his hands on one of em......if not, I fear the slaz is out of the picture. So far, my current racket of choice would be the RDX 500 Mid, but I have my hopes set on the Volkls. Anyways, we'll see :)...
     
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  31. LafayetteHitter

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    Ed,
    I hit for the first time tonight with the Gen 1 Tour 10 MP, and I must say wow!, this is a great racquet. I ordered a few racquets including the Tour 10 V-engine Mid also. Both of these racquets played exactly as you stated in your descriptions of them. I found the V-engine very demanding and when putting 110% into the racquet it gave back maybe 80%. The Tour 10 MP had a bit of a hefty feel when swinging it around when taking it out of the box, especially compared to the Mid v-engine, of course the swingweights told me this before even picking up the racquets. The V-engine mid felt nice just dry swinging it, but I must say the added swingweight of the Tour 10 MP really ripped the ball. This racquet was the most impressive out of everything I have hit with IMO. If Volkl really went all out and did Gen 2 right it should be an awesome racquet. And I must say the Tour 10 MP had the most consistent string bed out of any racquet I have used, and it is VERY VERY forgiving, so Ed, thanks for all your valuable input.

    Scott
     
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  32. NoBadMojo

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    my pleasure scott...i dont know if you noticed that the ball really pierces the court and has a heaviness to it? i can no longer blame my racquet when i lose..lol. it's gonna take alot to pry these out of my grubby hands. let me know if you buy some and need help w. your setups.ed
     
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  33. Serve-And-Volley

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    This new racquet sounds great! It seems similar to my Catapult 10. I might be making that my new racquet. Thanks for posting those specs NoBadMojo.
     
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  34. Yolkl

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    Will the gen II replace the current tour 10, or will Volkl continue to produce both racquets ?
     
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    Today's Best Racquet Values

    At current TW prices, what do you feel are the best values ?
    IMO, the Volkl Tour 10 @ $99.99 looks pretty darn good.
    Anything else (especially in 11 oz. & up) ?
     
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  36. Mies

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    Yo Yolkl,

    Good news and bad news. Good news is that the Tour 10 MP gen 2 is out already in Europe and my usual shop has it up for demoing. Bad news someone is testing their demo atm so I'll have to wait till he/she returns it. So I won't be able to demo it till somewhere in the end of next week I suppose.....I'll have a run with the 10 V-engine Mid tomorrow though :)
     
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    stay tuned..i should have mine any day now, and will post something when i have something meaningful. yolkl the t10mp that tW has on special is an excellent value at 100bucks...better check availability. also, if you can find them of any gripsize, you can change the gripsize by swapping out the handle pallet. the Gen2 has been out in Europe for a few months now.
     
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  38. Yolkl

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    Volkl phasing out t10mp ?

    Will the gen II replace the original ?
    $100.00 seems like a liquidation price.
    IMO, the G II are gonna have to be awfully nice to pay 2x the current t10mp price.
     
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  39. Mies

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    A quick look at the Volkl webpage shows that the Tour 10 MP (the old one) is no longer in their list of rackets. So I quess it's been replaced. It will take some time for the stores to deplete their current stock though :)........

    Dammit why did some other guy/girl have it in test!!!!!!! I just hit a training session with the tour 10 mid VE, that is also one sweet racket and I prefer it's feel to the RDX 500 mid. However I found it very low powered on groundstrokes (less than RDX 500 mid/LM prestige MID). Might be due to the stringing (TOA gold at high tension). A more flexy string might just bump the power level up a bit. Anyone got some comments on this ? NoBadMojo perhaps? At least I hope so......Anyways I still have my hopes set on the tour 10 MP gen II :)........if that thing sucks, I'll go with the mid and play around with strings.

    Regards
     
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    Mies yes I have hitting experience w. the Volkl T10-VEMid and I agree it is a really sweet frame, and yes, strings and tension are really important like most frames..this is definitely a make your own power frame and people shouldnt be opposed to string it at lower tension ranges w lively string provided they can produce alot of spin on their own for control, because this frame is a little tougher to produce spin with. i used one strung mid range (55-56) w. bi-phase and thought it played great. and yes, both the c10pro and t10mp are being discontinued. stock seems to be very limited on the t10mps
     
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    NoMo- Just wanted to thank you for all your help. I appreciate your willingness to answer questions from an admitted novice.
     
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    no problemo Yolkl....have you picked some frames to demo?
     
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    I've got my Gen2's. the specs seem as per posted and are marked on the frame. 11.5oz (325gms), 1.3HL(31cm), 20mm, 16x19. terrific finish and classy cosmetics. nice firm synthetic grip. beam width appears a little beefier than the T10mp even though listed the same. this is definitely not a cosmetic change only...this frame clearly has a different feel and balance and also seems a bit beefier in general, but a bit lighter than the T10mp or c10pro...i'm looking forward to taking these out for a spin....will post something after a good hit.
     
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  44. LafayetteHitter

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    Ed,

    Since Volkl is replacing both the C10 and the T10mp with this new Gen 2, I am curious to hear if it resembles the solid feel of the T10mp or the feel of the C10 (which some have described as tinny). My C7pro that I ordered arrived this week and I must say this is a solid hitting racquet, I found a great deal for one on **** and figured I would get it just to give me some idea of an older Volkl racquet. It is not as much a pleasure to hit with as the T10MP. The T10Mp really makes up for some mistakes you might make while striking the ball. When I hit with it I think to myself this is what a racquet is supposed to feel like. My last two racquets I have owned were the RDX500 mid and the LM Prestige MP, and the Tour 10 MP plus is in all ways more forgiving and just a better feeling racquet, simply a pleasure to take out. Again Ed, thanks for turning me on to this gem.

    Scott
     
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    Scott my pleasure..I dont know who told you the C10pro plays tinny..it is in fact, the opposite of tinny..it's soft and cushioned and muted. It's like loafing on your fav old super stuffed easy chair as compared to sitting on metal bleachers..:O.
     
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    I had read it in this thread earlier as quoted here, first time using quotes though. As far as the Volkl's go Ed, i'm mostly going according to what you post, since everything you have said, I have since experienced with these racquets.

    Scott
     
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  47. NoBadMojo

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    Scott perhaps there was confusion with the names..The Quantum Tour10 could be considered tinny..much of the Quantum series has that tinny feel to it (some may like it..not me) now that's a demanding frame..the Q10Tour
     
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    I actually bought a couple of sticks sight unseen, the X1 and pro #1.
    They should arrive next week. In the meantime, I'm still looking for one more to round out the trio. I took a lesson today using the VI classic and had a breakthrough day. The VI fits me like a glove and if I could serve with it, I would own it.
    Played doubles afterward with a PD-didn't like it near as much as the VI except for serves.
    Tommorrow I'm finallly getting ahold of the VEt10 mp again.
    I would be very interested in a comparison between the t10mp,VEt10mp and the genIIt10mp when you get a chance. More than likley, I wll get one of those and "call it a day".

    Can't wait to hear all about the gen II !
     
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  49. Rabbit

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    Let me jump in here. The original Quantum 10 was tinny. It was really light and too stiff, IMO. Volkl came back with the Quantum 10 Tour which was weighted close to what the C10 was. The Q10 Tour was more mainstream a frame than the C10, it was stiffer and had the feel of most other graphite rackets. It wasn't tinny, IMO, and played very solid. It had an 18X20 string pattern and was a good frame. I liked the frame, but nowhere near as much as the C10.

    The Tour 10 MP was the follow on to the C10 that never really took the place of the C10 for most users. That's a shame because in many respects, the Tour 10 MP was a better frame than the C10. It fixed many things that were wrong about the C10, most notably the bumper guard. The Tour 10's bumper guard protects the frame like the C10's never did. The Tour 10 was also stiffer in the hoop, but retained that great Volkl feel. The Tour 10 was a stronger frame than the C10 and this fixed another problem specifically for Volkl. Warranty claims ran high on the C10, especially from the younger set. Us old guys have figured out that the racket ain't to blame and consequently we're a little easier on our gear. Unfortunately, we're not the ones who spend the majority of the money.

    The Tour 10's balance, as Mojo as pointed out, was also not as headlight. I have looked/compared the specs of the 3 frames, the C10, Tour 10, and Gen II based on TW's specs. It would appear that the Gen II is between the C and Tour in terms of weight, it is more flexible than either (that's exciting to me!), and it's swingweight it lower than either of it's brothers. Mojo can you confirm?

    By the by, I have ordered two myself. Hell, I couldn't resist. It's a 21st Century looking C10! Also, the Gen II has been available in Europe for quite some time. Novak has been playing with one since early last year I think.
     
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  50. Yolkl

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    Did Novak provide any feedback on the Gen II ?
     
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