volley and serve advise appreciated! (video)

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  1. TheBoom

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  2. LeeD

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    Looks like you're filling out nicely.
    How's Texas treating you, with it's dry weather compared to BC or PacNW?
    Remember the vids of ClintThompson volleying? He moves his feet up and down in ready position, but doesn't step too much into each and every volley, choosing to allow his racket to do some of the work.
    Seems you really try hard with your body (big steps forwards), and the racket is taking a back seat during your volleys.
    Most good volleyer's have really steady and stable posture, head still, like a cat stalking his prey.
    Try not to jump up and down, and move quite so much.
    At 6'5", you groundie game is strong enough to force weak returns, giving you good approach opportunities. Really think about the big cat stalking his prey idea of movement and posture.
     
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  4. TheBoom

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    LeeD yep i am I finally made it to 200 lbs 6'7" now though ;) And it is good except its becoming killer humid though (as you can see from my sweat) I will have to go find a video of it I cannot recall ever seeing it. Francis27 That is an interesting video, I was always taught to turn my shoulders but i will experiment with keeping my shoulders open!
     
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  5. DonDiego

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    You need to be more compact, especially on the backhand. The punch is 6-8 inches, nothing more. Right after the hit, ''freeze'' the racquet head and try to maintain it towards your target. Right now you have too much of a follow-through and your wrist breaks often.

    That's a thing to remember with volleys: on most of them, you'll get more depth and more power by hitting less...
     
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    Oftentimes, it's really hard for someone 6'7" and 200 lbs to replicate strokes from a compact guy of 5'7" and 150 lbs.
    Watching Isner, Karlovic, Querry, Soderling, and DelPo volley thru the years, it's always a longer, less controlled, less compact stroke.
    But take to heart you CAN volley effectively, just not rapid fire doubles style. And stay more open, as said, thru the whole volley motion. The less you move, the more pinpoint your placements, and placement is everything in volleying.
     
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    I think you need more work on your split step after your approach. It appears weak. As soon as your opponent is about to hit the ball you need to stop your forward momentum with the split step. Then your weight is set and you can drive left/right to cover passing shots.
     
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    How long before CharlieFederer comes here to dissect your serve? 8)
     
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    If he's lucky not long. CharlieFederer has offered probably more insightful observations and useful tips on people's serves than anyone else on the board.
     
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    Love the serve. Very fluid, effortless motion. I wish I could serve like that, serving is the most inconsistent part of my game.
     
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    Wow on the serve- an honest 120+.

    I would hit the volley more horizontal and less vertical (too much chopping down at that ball). A vertical volley swing path is fine for drop volleys or when you have a slow incoming ball, but will give you no margin for error if the ball is coming at you fast.
     
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    Serves pretty good.

    Ive got a few things for you.

    1. your contacting the ball a little lower than you are capable. It looks to me like you can meet it up a bit higher.

    2. You can lean into the court just a bit more. You are falling into the court some, but the fall is coming after contacting the ball as a by product of your motion. you can add aditional power here. throw the ball into the court just a tad more. Your left foot is is finishing on the line. you could be inside the baseline ALOT more.
     
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  15. NickC

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    Same as the dude above me said. Toss that ball up a tad higher, maybe get a little bit more knee bend and really go up after it....pull yourself out into the court more. Try to really toss that ball out into the court and really chase it. Everything else is fine from what I can see.
     
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    I will definitely work on a higher ball toss and putting it out front more! I've never had any private lessons so I've had to learn everything from here, clinics or teaching myself so its great when I get feedback!
     
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    its not how high you toss the ball. Its how high you make contact with the ball.
     
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    Looked at your serving vid again....
    I see nothing wrong with toss height, OR contact point.
    Ball drops about a foot before you hit it. Your arm is relatively straight, or straight enough not to injure yourself.
    You don't pay much attention to ritual for replication. That's your thing. Most pros take their time, bounce the ball a set # of times depending on pressure and situation, rock a few times, then start their motion.
    You seem to hit all top/slice serves, no flats whatsoever. At your contact point, and being 6'7", a flat serve can be very consistent.
    Are those top/slice serves your normal first serves?
    And with your height, a twist serve should bounce easily 6'8" PLUS at the baseline.
     
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    I'll experiment with a different contact point and see where that gets me! LeeD, the 3rd serve in the second video is one of my flatter serves, the other ones are my 1st/2nd serves i don't really have a kick serve, I've never been able to teach myself how, so those are basically my first and second serves
     
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    Oh to be 6'7!!!! Your serve looks sweet to me.
     
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    I used to mention that I used to play with a 6'5" former CalPoly singles player. His twists bounce about 6'6" high at the baseline. I"m 5'11" tall.
    Another 5.0 player around here, at 6' tall, can bounce his second serves around that height at the baseline.
    Once in a blue moon, my twists can get to their forehead heights, usually winning the point for me. It's my losers that bounce shoulder high to them because I hit them short that kill me....or allows them to kill me with a forehand crusher low ball return.
    And while it's hard to have a top/sl,ice, a high twist/kicker, a lower skidded slice, AND a flat heater, it doesn't take too much practice time to hit 20 of each every day you hit the courts.
     
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    You look very good. You're very quick. Nice hitting. I especially like your serve. Thanks for the vids. Enjoyed them. Sound isn't synced with video in the volley vids.

    I gave your vids thumbs up and subscribed. Post more vids. Matchplay.
     
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    The helper was turning on all his volleys. What the coach wanted was for him to continue facing the net and not turn his body at all through the prep and stroke. But it didn't look to me like he was doing that. I mean, re what the helper was doing, I didn't see much difference between what the coach was calling the right way and the wrong way.

    I've never had a coach or instruction, but the way I learned to hit volleys (however) is to keep my body squared away facing the net the way the coach in the vid is advocating.
     
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    Is there a good video for learning a kick serve? I sorta understand the concept but I don't want to learn it wrong and re injure my shoulder. TomT I will post some more for sure. do you have any criticism for me?
     
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