vote: which should i get: Eagnas Combo 710 or Flash 767

Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by nousername, Oct 26, 2007.

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Which one should I buy?

  1. Eagnas Combo 710

    12 vote(s)
    66.7%
  2. Eagnas Flash 767

    6 vote(s)
    33.3%
  1. nousername

    nousername Rookie

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    hey all...

    we'll i'm about to buy ANOTHER stringing machine (ready my "alpha story" at the end of this post if interested).

    i'm down to the Eagnas Combo 710 or the Flash 767. I would also have considered the Challenger I. But it looks way too much like the Pioneer DC plus that i don't dare.

    Here's my break down:

    Flash 767:
    Pros
    - Better mounting system, i.e. more secure side mounts
    - head and throat towers are easier to secure (they have the nice levers from underneath instead of knobs).
    - long sturdy shaft for mounting turn table
    - extra badminton clamps (sellable on badminton central... =) )
    Cons
    - rotational gripper (not sure how well it works, and it's plastic)
    - plastic cover on turn table.
    - $70 bucks more

    Combo 710:
    Pros
    - Linear gripper
    - Overall heavier duty
    - $70 bucks less
    Cons
    - poorer mounting system
    - leery of the turn table "ball bearing", don't know if this is an asset or a flaw (if it's good, this would be a pro).
    - not sure how well the tension rod is attached to the ratchet...
    - still scarily similar to the alpha pioneer dc plus...

    Alpha Story
    ok, this whole is made more complex by the fact that i just had to return a newly bought Alpha Pioneer DC plus. i was wholly unimpressed, and i was just having problem after problem. all in spite of their great reputation.

    Here's what happend:

    1) Box arrives. I open and right away go "uh oh!"... this looks EXACTLY like what i expected would come from eagnas. it did NOT look like a quality machine. at least with eagnas, i would be expecting this. strike 1.

    2) after the first job, the tension rod started to come loss from the ratchet drum. not good. i managed to tighten it, and next job... loose again. strike 2.

    3) one clamp basically stopped working after 6 jobs. the other one was flawless, so the non-working one was definitely bad. not a big deal, but for a new machine from a "great company". boo.... strike 3.

    4) the next thing to go wrong with the pioneer dc plus was the turn table began to clamp up and squeak. out of the box it was great nice and smooth. 6 job latter... nothing but squeaks and "rough" places in its rotation. strike 4.. didn't know that was possible... and now i'm losing patience and confidence.

    5) email mark my story... get a no-hesitation return with the paid shipping both ways. A++ for that.

    Conclustions:
    - Alpha is a great company to work with.
    - Alpha quality is/can be suspect (IMO, overrated on these boards).
    - Most people make of their judgments about companies based on subjective data that the read about in forums, rather than objective data based on their products. This applies to Eagnas and Alpha, but in converse ways. I will soon own an Eagnas machine, and i will give you a direct objective comparison of both brands.

    upon further investigation i found out that in 2006 alpha switched manufactures to a place in china instead of taiwan. it was during this switch that their quality plummeted. so if you have a machine that from alpha that is prior to 2006 is a good one... after that i highly doubt they are any better than eagnas... with a few 100 extra on the price tag, which might be a good price for the customer service. but i also think once you buy and eagnas machine, they will take care of you too. you just need to show them a little commitment. at least with eagnas, i know what to expect in terms of quality and service. it's impossible for them to surprise me... but alpha did manage to surprise me ... in a big way.
     
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  2. markgonz

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    Ryan

    Hi, while everyone is entitled to to their opinion, I feel the need to state that we have had MANY satisfied customers that have purchased our machines. We have sold plenty of both Revo's and Pioneer DC Plus. FACT is that we started making our machines prior to 2006. We have factories both in China and Taiwan.

    There are times when a machine goes out the door and it just bombs, even the most fundamental thing like a screw holding the bar, it's just as frustrating for us as it is to you. Unfortunately yours was one of them. On average we refund 5 machines per year, total. I apologize that this happened to you.

    TennisWarehouse is one of our biggest distributors and I'm sure that Don would not continue to sell our machines if there were consistent quality issues. I admit that we will have clamps or mounting arms flare up from time to time, but I can assure you that we are not the only ones.

    We enjoy our work at Alpha and to be honest, when we have been out of stock of machines, we have pointed customers to Gamma because of the professional reputation they have, we know that they will take care of their customers as well.

    Wish you the best with your new machine.

    Mark Gonzalez
     
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  3. rjkardo

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    I would vote 'nothing from Eagnas' but you don't have that option listed.
    I would like to see what happens if you have problems with your Eagnas purchase.

    Rod
     
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  4. nousername

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    i hope you don't view my "review" as baised or unfair. a lot of people are looking for info advice and feedback here, and i'm just trying to do that to the best of my ability.

    i very well accept that the machine i received from you was the occasional "lemon", that's fine. but i'm also an engineer and rather good at spotting quality and good design. i think most of the issue i saw seemed like quality not design issues. but i'm still glad for you and the many customers that were entirely happy with their machines. i really wish i was one of them. when i first placed my order with you guys, i really had a sense of pride in buying an alpha. maybe i just had too high or unrealistic hopes... maybe that was the only problem.

    i buried this "review" in an unrelated post intentionally. i did NOT want it to come off as just some hot heavy handed bitter "alpha bashing", but i did want to provide info for those that who might find it useful.
     
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  5. nousername

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    nope. that options was left off intentionally. i'm just comparing 2 machines as if they were the only ones left on the planet. if you can set your pre-concieved notions aside and make as objective of a vote as possible, that would be appreciated.

    also, have you owned or used an eagnas? what machines have you used?
     
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  6. rjkardo

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    If I had to pick between two Eagnas, I would not buy one. Their reputation precedes them. I will not take a chance on a second rate company.

    I have used Prince, Ektelon, several types of dropweights and now I own a Gamma 5003. I do not own an Eagnas, and have not used one.

    Rod
     
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  7. nousername

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    jeez... pretend i'm buying from Prince or Ektelon!

    think outside the box brother!! ... just compare the price and features!!
     
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  8. GoochMoney

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    Man...since you "do not own an Eagnas, and have not used one" maybe you should not be voting on this or responding. Pick one of the other 10,000 threads on the board.

    Nousername - I bought an EAG-300 because I am a cheap *******. Can't comment on the two models you are asking about, but now I am a happy cheap *******!! :p
     
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  9. pmata814

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    I don't own an Eagnas (I'm actually a very happy Alpha owner) but I still voted for the 710 because of the linear gripper.

    P.S.
    Please report back once you get your machine. I really would like to know how it works out.
     
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  11. nousername

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    my primary concerns among these machines are the string gripper and the turn table bearing. the photos of the 710 bearing look better than the Challenger I, and the Challenger I bearing looks a lot like the Alpha Pioneer DC plus bearing which i had bad luck with. That's the main reason i'm not considering the Challenger I. The Flash 767 on the other hand doesn't even have a bearing. it's just a long strong shaft and bushing, which may in fact be better than a bearing given the continual loading and unloading during tensioning.
     
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  12. nousername

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    i don't mind if he votes. i actually WANT him to vote if he can just set aside his biases and make an objective decision based on these two machines along.

    i personally wouldn't consider myself "cheap", but i do like it if i can save money. i simply look for the most efficient way to spend my money, i.e. i try to get the best value. to be honest, that's why i first bought with alpha! even though they were about $200 above my budget at the time. i did my research, and thought i was making a wise cost-effective decision.
     
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  13. nousername

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    fyi... i took the plunge and placed my order for a Flash 767. i'll give a review and post some pics once i receive it and get a chance to string with it.

    why the flash 767 ...

    - primarily just my gut feeling ... which partially related to the fact that the Combo 710 like the challenger I are just too similar to the DC plus (yeah, they're made in different facilities, but possibly suffer from the same design/quality issues). other than that, i will definitely miss the linear gripper. i'm just *hoping* the rotational gripper isn't as bad as others make it sounds, and that the mounting system, turn table, and tower please me enough to offset.

    for days, i would say "combo 710" and try to order but couldn't. then the next day it would be the 767... same thing, i'd try to order but couldn't... finally i said enough already... flash 767. end of story.

    ... and, yes, i very well may be stupid. =)
     
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  14. pmata814

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    Look forward to your review.
     
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  15. mista-k

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    I have a Mutual Power looks like the Alpha DC and the 710

    http://www.mutualpower.net/Hercules680.htm

    Its made in taiwan...6 jobs so far and its been great ($320ish w/ shipping)

    overall Im happy
    cons-there was a nick on the tension drum but its far down (can be dangerous especially for stretchy strings-notch it = bad string job...you know) will probably smoothen it out via dremel...

    fyi-first time I bought one and "regret" I shouldve bought this long time ago to $$$$ave
    I totally didnt want to order from Eagnas coz its my first time to get a stringer (cust serv hassles)
    ++they have 100%+++ feedback on the "E" site

    so if I were you---Id save up and wait to buy a crank gamma or alpha revo (probably in a year or so I would)

    joke
    me:emailing mr.young
    "ok got your ad up now wheres my fitty dollars"
     
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  16. barry

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    Look forward to your review; you have basis for comparison. Most reviews are from 1st time experience. I have owned 2 Eagnas machines, and so far both continue to operate flawlessly.

    It looks like a Gamma 602 FC.
     
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  17. nousername

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    i'm really biased about drop-weights and other constant pull devices. so i wouldn't ever buy a crank. the only thing i'd upgrade to other than a standard drop-weight is a stringway or laserfibre... but i just don't got the cash for that.

    as long as this machine (flash 767) is built well, and if i can bear the rotational gripper. i think i'll be fine for a while.
     
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  18. b0oMeR

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    no eagnas Period
     
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  19. wksoh

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    Hello nousername,.. i happened to come across your post. Any feedback on the Eagnas Flash 767 ?? Thanks
     
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  20. princemidplus

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    i have a pro's pro (eagnas in UK?)challenger stringer and have been impressed with it so far. no real hassles that had to sort out and no breakages.been great.good luck with yours :)
     
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  21. wksoh

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    Hi there.. how long does it take to do a racket on your challenger? Average time.. not fastest. thanks
     
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