Vuvuzelas: Horns of Satan.

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  1. Dilettante

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    One of the interesting things about the football World Cups and the Olympics is watching the different behaviour of the local fans at the stadiums. Every country has distinctive ways of cheer and celebrate and it's always fun to see.

    So you could say I'm somewhat eager for cultural colouring of these big events. And I'm NOT in favor of moaning about small things, but this vuvuzela thing... I've honestly never seen anything like that. It's so annoying that ruins the matches even on TV broadcasting. Not only are they unbearable to the viewer (I can't imagine what is being on the stadium like), but also the typical and epic atmosphere of big football matches is totally gone. You can't even hear the [normal] audience reacting. Even players say they get annoyed and distracted but the psycho bees buzz.

    I'd never thought of something apparently so insignificant ruining such a big event, but it's doing it. They make Roland Garros public look like Buddhist monks. Never seen anything like this, it's like taken from the craziest "Family guy" episode.

    Imagine watching a replay of Maradona's famous goal with the vuvuzelas buzzing at the background.

    That's not even football, for God's sake.
     
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    Awful aren't they. I thought i'd get used to them eventually but i've seen 4-5 games so far and they still annoy me.

    It's a shame that South Africa have worked so hard to get everything right, including building some brilliant stadiums, only for the experience to be ruined by these horns.
     
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    I stopped watching US home matches because of the fans' love affair with plastic horns. I just can't stand that droning sound for 90 minutes.
     
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    What i noticed wasn't so much the noise thehorns make (annoying droneing sound)but the fact that you can't hear any singing or anything llike that, which from afar does seem to mean the atmosphere seems a bit unusual.I tried atching the tv with all the diferent audio options radio conmmentary was the one where you could hear les "trumpets" but its still not right!
     
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    It´s ok if a couple of people blow it but when theres like 100000 blowing it, it´s so anoying.
     
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    i think its ok actually, it does add to the atmosphere. As to hearing the crowd, when something exciting happens, they stop blowing and start cheering or ooh-ing etc.
    And as for chanting, not sure much of that happens in internationals, i havent noticed it, its normally at club matches...
     
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    Bring Back Singing

    Ok, imagine the final scene from Escape to Victory. The Germans are awarded a bogus penalty, but instead of hearing the allied fans singing La Marseillaise, you hear them blow into 30,000 plastic horns to make themselves sound like a swarm of angry bees.

    Not really the same effect.
     
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    Apparently the only happy people are the earplug vendors...

    Players can't communicate to each other; or so said the French during their opener with Uraguay.
     
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    Yeah..I hate them a lot. Really sucks compared to crowd chants.
     
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    I hate it!They don't let me live the WC experience,I DON'T WANT to watch matches on mute,I want to hear the crowd the commentators babbling and being idiots,the whistles everything!And the freaking bees do not let me!

    FIFA is considering banning them because some players have complained namely half the french team and now Messi.Well the whole tv audience worldwide complains but I suppose that's not enough reason for FIFA :roll:
     
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    Yes they are, they bother me too but i just read in the paper they will bring out less loud Vuvuzelas, i guess we are not the only ones complaining...
     
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    I think the remedy is a bit of creative sound recording - place a couple of sound recordists in among the bulk of the fans from each team rather than an aggregate of the whole crowd which is likely to be predominantly neutral South African.

    If you've ever been to a football match, even the visiting fans can be pretty vocal. A talented sound mixer could virtually eliminate the drone of the vuvuzela or at least reduce the dominance in the mix.

    Better still, just hack into the system and replace it for 90 mins with this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU08-QQgxIQ

    Nirvana!
     
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    While it is vital that we respect the footballing culture as much as possible, and I want them to enjoy hosting, we must not all forget that this is NOT South Africa's World Cup, it's just a World Cup in South Africa. The locals have made too much of an impact on the tournament so far and that's killing the spirit of the tournament. The crowd always tells half the story and in this case the crowd hasn't been allowed to express themselves because a bunch of idiots want to allow the South Africans to blow some stupid horn that sounds like the mixture of a dying giraffe and a beehive. The worst part is that it's not a tradition, according to my second cousin who lives in Cape Town; it's only been around for the past 10-15 years, whereas signing and drums and all that stuff have been around since the beginning. If they want to stick to traditions, get rid of the damn thing.
     
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    That noise is like something an intelligence agency would devise to break somebody down for interrogation. Is there anyone on the planet who feels the vuvuzelas enhance their World Cup experience? It is like having a swarm of bees lodged in your skull.
     
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    It can't be a tradition because I guess that type of horns was not manufactured many decades ago.

    I complain as a viewer, but there's nothing I can do about that (that's why I complain haha). But I think FIFA should do something. In football, TV is money and I'm totally sure the tournament is losing a lot of casual viewers because something as stupid as plastic horns.

    And about the country and tourney organization image, it may sound silly (well, I realize it IS silly) because there are many things in the world worst than vuvuzelas, but this stupid thing is hurting the event big time. Again, sport is image, and everyone is hating this World Cup because is like watching your favorite movie with a bunch of noisy popcorn eaters right behind you.

    The best thing about the World Cup is not the game itself, but the emotion, the history and the epics. The ambience of it. All of this is being alienated by the freaking vuvuzelas.

    At the end of the day, football is a show, and you can't enjoy a show with a giant bee buzz from minute 1 to minute 90. And who really enjoys a match on a muted TV.
     
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    I think it adds to the experience. I'm not a huge soccer fan but do enjoy the world cup and I couldn't imagine watching a match with just crowd noise. I've just come to expect it.
     
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    You need to watch an England match and hear the whole crowd sing "God Save Our Queen" or the French sing "La Marseillaise". 40-50k people singing is much better than a bunch of droning horns.
     
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    Lucky you. Seriously.

    I just want FIFA to ban that stuff before the first Spain's match.
     
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    It'd probably drive me nuts if I was watching it live and in person.
     
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    you kinda give explanation of it in your own.You probably haven't watched many football matches so you don't know the beauty of the crowds singing and cheerings.

    So far I have heard only for like 10 mins people singing :roll: all of it is drown under an annoying artificial sound.



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  21. Great Uncle Bulgaria

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    Why don't they only allow children to enter the stadium with them. That should restrict the numbers,
     
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    They should swap out the horns for towels that people can swing over their heads silently. The horn noise is unique, but very distracting as we are watching it.

    -Jennifer
     
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    The Vuvuzelas are part of South African football culture. They definitely shouldn't be banned. It would be like the World Cup being held in Europe and the crowd being told no singing!

    It is annoying, but those not used to it (me included) have to put up with it.

    Having said that, I've got a feeling as soon as the last African team is knocked out, they will make an excuse to ban them. Will see what happens!
     
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    I absolutely hate the vuvuzelas with a passion. They are ruining the world cup. Those saying it's part of South Africa's "culture" don't seem to realise that vuvuzelas weren't mass produced until 2001.
     
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    It seems FIFA agrees with you:

    FIFA pres backs vuvuzelas, horns won't be banned

    http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/sto...elas-horns-wont-be-banned?tag=headlines;other
     
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    Absolutely Mustard. Vuvuzelas? What is with this romanticized notion of these horrid, cheap plastic toys enjoying "cultural legacy" status? What hooey! This makes listening to a Sharapova-Serena match listenable by comparison--with them you can at least use your imagination. These vuvuzelas sound like an angry hornet's nest....drone..drone...... VERY boring.

    Vuvuzelas suck and those who have them - blow.
     
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    Maybe some of the teams dont have enough supporters who were able to travel to South Africa to attend the matches and FIFA is worried the crowd will seem quiet.
     
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    The annoying buzz on TV was so bad that for a while I thought there was something wrong with the telecast.
     
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    Watching the Italy v Paraguay game tonight, whenever the camera cut to the fans they were all being very vocal. It would of been nice if they weren't being drowned out.
     
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    The thing is - it wouldn't be too difficult to get quite localised atmos by utilizing a few strategically placed and mobile sound recordists- trouble with tv coverage of big events like this is that they are quite stuck in their ways and use the same old tried-and-tested methods (e.g camera angles and crowd sound recording techniques) they've used for years - except pre-planned technological niceties such as the camera-on-a-wire used recently in the Champion's league etc.

    If you've ever been to a live game and your section of the crowd is chanting, it's impossible to hear any other part of the ground - on radio last night, one of the England band members said he didn't notice the sound of the vuvuzelas much at all.

    It's the same with tennis coverage - the same boring old high angle wide shots that leave you feeling disconnected from the action - on the rare occasions you get low angle shots from behind the baseline, the action is much more dynamic and you really get the sense of power, speed and spin. When 3D coverage becomes more prevalent this angle will have to be used more and I, for one, say bring it on.

    Let's get rid of these complacent, unimaginative TV directors and let's see some flexibility and innovative, creative direction and camera-work.
     
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    i'm just waiting for the day when a section of the crowd gets attacked by a swarm of bees and fifa decides that vuvuzelas are a hazard.

    they really don't care about people's eardrums bursting or anything
     
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    That's very true, if you're one of 3,000 at an away game then it always sounds like you're making more noise than the 40,000+ home fans. Although, with Chelsea fans that's the case anyway ;) Best away fans in the Country!
     
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    As a Leeds Fan I've still not forgotten 1970 so I'll bite my tongue!!!
     
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    Haha! Hutchinson with the monster throw, Webb with the header at the far post :)

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    I returned my tv because I thought the buzzing which was driving me mad was a defect.

    Ok not really but close. The least FIFA should do is install some sound generators with a negative wave pattern to cancel out the bloody vuvuzelas. That'll teach them fans.
     
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    i think there is too much biching about this. Yahoo was filled with it, the bleach report was filled with it, every sports media was filled with it, and now talk tennis forums is biching too (note i spell biching the wrong way cause i want the word to appear..)

    i think that they are not bad, players dont really complain about it, and i always concentrate on watching the match, and these things have no effect on me. i even like the ambiance, and it has come to be known as like the soccer sound its not bad..
     
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    ahaha defcon kinda ironic, (deaf)
     
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    I didn't think my sound system was defective but I did think there was something wrong with the telecast until I saw shots of the crowds blowing the horns of satan.
     
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    france complained about it, messi complained about it, so yeah players are complaining
     
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    Bi*ching, at least, doesn't f**k up your broadcast matches.
     
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    so i notice Malakas is banned, after almost 16,000 posts. He posted early on this thread hence i am mentioning it here.

    Wow.
     
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    I must admit the England band wore out it's welcome for me around 1066
     
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    Should be easy for the sound editors to filter out the frequencies from this instrument
     
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    Looks like they've found something more irritating than soccer.
     
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    back in high school, we had a couple we took to the high school matches...they made for a lot of fun...and a lot of angry opposing team parents!
     
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    They should go for the simple reason that they impair the enjoyment of others, probably in the majority, and this is surely impermissible.
     
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