WAIT so ppl are telling me that the MADRID CLAY COURT was FASTER THAN HARD-COURT??

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  1. wow246

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    well nadal said the court was fast so it favoured federer????

    really?????

    o come on!!!!!!!

    NO way a clay court is as fast as the hard courts they just finished playing on and which nadal DOMINATED!!!!!!!
     
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  2. aphex

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    did you hear? nadal was tired too...
     
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  3. theduh

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    said who? a clay court could never be faster than a hard court!
     
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  4. sh@de

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    Ask Nadal_Freak, gj011, veroniquem, the Natural (maybe?)... and I dno who else. Just ask all those who hate Federer (why they could hate the player so much is beyond me...).
     
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  5. drakulie

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    ^^^to be honest, they actually hate Nadal>>> not Federer. Reading their posts, and "reading between the lines", one could clearly see they purposely paint a picture of him as the biggest living wuss in the history of tennis. It's really scary how much they hate him.
     
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  6. mandy01

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    Altitude is a bad person,no?! Rafi played on Everest,no?! :lol:

    Seriously though I doubt its the case.Ignore such claims.
     
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  7. JediMindTrick

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    Madrid clay is the red grass. It's ridiculous how all the courts are getting faster and faster these days.
     
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    ^^ The ATP want a British #1 :)
     
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  9. R_Federer

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    All the courts are getting faster and faster these days? Are you drunk? Have you not seen the Australian Open or Wimbledon recently?
     
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  10. Nadal_Freak

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    The clay itself is not faster than hardcourts. It's the altitude that makes the ball go through air so much quicker.
     
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  11. aphex

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    Nadal_freak, as the great inventor of the unified theory of spin-gravitation (or spinnistic gravity, as it is known in quantum dynamics textbooks)

    please explain (scientifically) your above statement for us laymen.

    thanks
     
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  12. Nadal_Freak

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    The air is thinner. Thus, less resistence on the ball so it doesn't slow up as much. You also get a higher bounce. Everything goes faster and higher. It was really tricky conditions and Nadal couldn't adjust well enough to dominate the tournament and had to battle incredibly hard to get to the finals. It was sunny and dry as well. That only made things go even quicker. It's the fastest clay conditions you will ever see in a big tournament.
     
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  13. LanceStern

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    It is faster than most clay courts, but it is definitely not faster than hard courts.

    Even Australian Open courts are faster, just watch the Fed/Nadal 2009 final it looks like they are playing indoors after all that clay!
     
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  14. coloskier

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    Wrong again!!!! The altitude does not make the ball go quicker. NEVER HAS!!! NEVER WILL!!! What it does do is cause the ball to travel farther, which has nothing to do with velocity. The air is thinner, the gravity is less, which causes the ball to go farther at the same speed!!! It also negates some of the topspin, because of the thin air leaves less molecules for the spinning ball to grab. If you had actually played at altitude, like I do every day, you would know this. Nadal had the same TIME to react to a shot at altitude as he had at sea level. Having the ball travel farther and deeper would actually help Nadal, I would think, since so many of his balls don't bounce much deeper than the service line. This should make his shots even more penetrating.

    If you prefer, why don't you go back to the "tiredness" excuse. It works so much better, considering that until two years ago ALL the Masters Finals were best 3 of 5, and it didn't seem to bother Nadal back then.
     
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  15. T1000

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    Ever take a course in physics?
     
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  16. I think because of the lower air pressure, Nadal's whitey tighties were not wedged in his crack as usual. This threw off his balance and timing.
     
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  17. LanceStern

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    Nadal_freak gave a confident, unbiased response and even backed it up with understandable physics. (I'm no physics major, but nothing he said sounds wrong).

    You on the other hand gave a pretty arrogant response there. You backed it up with (I hope) correct physics as evidence, but it just comes off all bad.
     
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  18. veroniquem

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    The speed is not that important. The win was due to a combination of factors, one of which being a very good game from Fed. What some Fed's fans cannot accept (in their infinite Fedlike megalomania) is that Fed's excellent play was not the ONLY factor in his win.
     
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  19. Antonio Puente

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    The clay itself dries out and becomes finer. This was obvious from the amount of dust being kicked up and the noticeable thin patches across the court. They were basically playing on limestone. The players themselves said it was like playing on a hardcourt.
     
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  20. Great post! The discussion should end right here.


    Or will it....?
     
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  21. vtmike

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    Why are we discussing this? Hasn't Nadal already proved that he is all court player & can kick Fed's as* on all surfaces? So how does it matter if the Madrid clay court behaves as hard or clay?
     
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  23. Madhoshi22

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    He's correct, from a physics standpoint, I'll back that up, though he could have phrased it better.

    But yes altitude does affect your play, as stated, your ball will fly farther with the same velocity due to less friction with the surrounding air. Many players often string their sticks tighter when they know they're going to be at high altitude in an effort to control the ball, and still take massive cuts, yet still land the ball in the court.
     
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  24. Antonio Puente

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    Direct your questions to the OP who started the thread. I'm just stating the facts.
     
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  25. vtmike

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    ^^^ Alright... Same question to OP...
     
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  26. Rhino

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    Except Wimbledon which got considerably slower.
     
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  27. MAX PLY

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    I understand it was not clay at all. Rather, millions of tiny red ball bearings were placed on a glass surface. Credit to both players for being able to even stand--amazing!
     
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  28. Yes, you are right.


    All Roger did after Wimbledon and the Australian Open was complain about his back. :roll:
     
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  29. Gorecki

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    again finding new paths in science?

    respect the man that created the "speed related variable mass of a traveling object"..

    you really really suck at physics! man... really...

    elass....

    many... so many you cannot imagine!

    everything he said IS wrong... whatever it may sound to you is your own judgment and nothing to do with scientific evidence... as for Coloskier's explanation how does it come all wrong?
     
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  30. veroniquem

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    Except Rafa hasn't beaten Fed "of late", he has beaten him 13 times in the course of the last 5 years, he's been beating him since the first time they've played in 2004. There is no excuse that will cover that long a time :lol:
     
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  31. veroniquem

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    Be my guest. If that amuses you.
     
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  32. gj011

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    Veroniquem, do not pay too much attention to this "No??" creature.

    This is ChrisInJapan, well known, many times banned, disturbed troll.
     
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  33. jrachiever

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    Coloskier is wrong about altitude not effecting horizontal velocity. His explanation is correct assuming basic projectile motion parameters but completely neglects drag.

    Thinner air will have a smaller coefficient of drag than thicker air. As a result, the drag force exerted on a tennis ball in thin air will be less than the drag force on a tennis ball travelling through thicker air. Less drag force will cause a tennis ball in thin air to decelerate less than a ball in thick air, and it will thus travel faster than a ball through thicker air. It's really just basic common sense, and happens exactly the way Nadal Freak described it. Coloskier is correct about the other effects he described.
     
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  34. veroniquem

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    Thanks. Some of the green army trolls have now passed in the blue, so we have to be careful, lol.
     
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    What you and your gay love cant accept is that Federer hardly gave his 100%. He was playing at 60% level...and played the perfect 60% level match :). Now imagine if he plays a perfect 100% level match in the French final :).
     
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  36. VivalaVida

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    veroniquem is a female. how is that gay love?
     
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  37. R_Federer

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    I know. I was just looking for any insult.
     
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