Wanted Crazy Tennis Parents!

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  1. TennisCoachFLA

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    Amusing yes, but precisely correct.
     
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    Sure, driven/obsessed parent is one way that has worked in the past. I understand that a parent leads the charge in these cases.

    But lets not forget that Sampras, Federer, Henin, Davenport, Clijsters, and other champions did not have those types of parents.

    So there is more than one way to get the end results.
     
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    "Tennis consists of only a handful of basic strokes and strategies. As such, parents who wouldn't dare try to teach, say, golf can read a book, watch a few videos, and give capable instruction."

    LOL. I liked everything else in the article but this one got me. Yes, golf is more difficult than tennis, but this is too much.
     
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    Yeah, that jumped out at me also. The patterns and shot variations and angles and spins of today's game is more complicate than he gives it credit for.
     
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    Also, the article implies that the parents coached the children. That is not entirely true. Nick has said that Yuri would not interfere with his teaching. The parents might have provided the motivation and money, but the technical skills were taught by coaches.
     
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    True...Lansdorp also worked with Maria. Macci had the Williams sisters for 3 years. Nick B. and his coaches had Agassi in his teens.
     
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    not allways but the best combo with the most potetial for doing great is a parent / child combination. coaches can be a great help though
     
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    Brad how come this article didn't mention you by name? something's missing in the world.. just kidding bro... take care...
     
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    got to read the whole article and its true the parents have the best results , most coaches will read this see the truth of it and become insecure hoping the rest of the tennis parents don't read this article and decide with a lot of discipline and commitment they can do it on their own and probably a lot better.

    Great read
     
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    hey Brad: I've always have known this to be true,most of the time.. yeah there are the exceptions ,like Sampras and Davenport ,but most tennis champions are a product of a zealous parent ,I've always tell the parents to get totally involve,it only make common sense.. who else is going to be the kid 24/7.. not the hourly wage earning coach... most of the parents I know can give direct feedback on how their kid played and how they played like in those matches they watch.. this is valuable info for constant progress..
     
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    Well, one parent should be commited. If both are, who is going to earn a living? It is a matter of time.
     
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    Interesting article, but there are so many crazy tennis parents already...and Americans are STILL not producing in Grand Slams...I think it's something else...maybe lack of motivation to succeed...most American tennis player are too spoiled...they have it good already opposed to Jankovic or Ivanovic who grew up in war torn countries and practiced in freezing cold gyms and I think I read someone that one of them trained in an empty swimming pool!
     
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    I am not sure how you came to your conclusions about that story. Every example in the article was produced by a great coach at some point.

    Williams sisters, Capriati, Roddick all spent at least 3 years with Macci. Agassi spent years with Nick B. Sharapova worked with IMG and later Lansdorp.

    Please give me examples of recent Grand Slam champs produced solely by a parent who acted as the technical coach? Seems like the only champs were produced by devoted parents AND great coaches. Others were produced by just great coaches and disinterested parents. But who was produced by JUST the parent with no coach??

    The parent pushes the player, the coach teaches the techniques. What examples did you get from that story where coaches were not involved?

    In fact it seems the conclusion from that story was that the "crazy" parent made sure their kids got in front of the best coaches....they certainly did not exclude the coaches. Parents can instill the best work ethics and discipline in the world, but unless the player gets great coaching, they certainly have never won any Grand Slams. There are no examples in recent times that support your conclusion.
     
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    Wasn't it Oracine that really coached the Williams' all along?

    She is listed and advertised as their coach now, and I'm sure all their recent success can be directly attributed to her.
     
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    Don't forget the hitting partners. Most top women have male hitting partners. In addition, Fed/Davis cup players have team coaches. Of late, Vania King has a coach, and so does Alexa Glatch. And also Querrey. Isner had a college coach.

    Watch out for my next post. I found the letter Vania sent to Inside Tennis. She was pretty upset that the writer had basically said US players don't cut it any more. I couldn't find her letter on the IT site but I see it in her blog now.
     
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    Vania King responds to IT criticism of US players

    Hey everyone!

    A friend of mine, Shenay Perry, recently told me about an article in Inside Tennis magazine about the decline of American tennis. I had seen the article and just glanced through it quickly. However, when she told me that they had mentioned names, including mine and hers, I took another look at it, and I felt that while it is fine to mention names and state opinions, there were some statements that were unfairly broad and assuming. So I wanted to go over these and state what I thought.

    First, about what renowned sports psychologist Jim Loehr (who I went to personally), said, "...Roddick is an exception (to the other American players) because he had the proper parenting and didn’t receive free emotional handouts." I think that is a very specific statement, one that may be true in Roddick's case. However, Loehr doesn't know the backgrounds of the other Americans. How should he assume that we weren't brought up with the same values, that we received "emotional handouts?" I'm not just speaking for myself but for the other players because I don't even know their upbringings.

    As I read further, I noted what Jose Higueras said about the American style. I understand and wholly support the new USTA system, and think they are doing a great job of bringing up the next generation of players. One thing I admire is that they are starting to train the players on clay, and it's really paying off. I think there are a lot of really good young Americans coming up.

    I go back to what Loehr writes,"You can still make it if you’re affluent or middle class, if you have parents who are connected and understand hard work and don’t try to buy their way into the finals… Not enough parents understand how to create the right conditions at home.”

    I consider myself in a "middle class" home. However, we were not always that way. I was the only child in my family fortunate enough to grow up in a "middle class" environment. My mother and father emigrated to the United States almost 30 years ago with no money -- my mom had to sell the house her parents gave her as a wedding gift to pay for them to come here. My mom had to leave my brother, who was 1 1/2 years old, in Taiwan because they could not afford to bring him. She cried every day without him -- how great is the pain of being separated from your child! Nothing is black and white, and it is unfair to categorize everyone in a broad spectrum.

    I want to point out that I believe that even if you do everything "right" or work as hard as you can, have the best coaches, never get injured, you still have a very slim chance of "making it." You definitely need a bit of luck, and sometimes it's just luck.

    The last point I want to make is that the writer of the article (or Loehr) states that even with talent, sometimes the player can't financially afford to pay for expenses, and that's where the USTA or outside sources come in. I have to say that, again, it is only a few who "make it" and a few who really get all the help they need. Most get nothing, and some get something. It is hard to determine whether players who are 13 to 17 years old are going to "make it," and there are a lot of talented kids out there.

    Anyways, I just wanted to express my feelings on these points because some of the statements were unfair -- not just to me but to all the players mentioned and not mentioned.

    Vania
     
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    For those that don't know MMTW, that's sarcasm...
     
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    Does any have the original article?
     
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    Sorry about quoting the entire article. I wanted to edit that out but for some reason my account won't let me edit.
     
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    the answer is yes ! it was caused by all this self-esteem, self-love ,positive reinforcement don't say anything negative thinking , hands down has ruined our country not only in tennis but many areas of our country, and rather then demand a higher standard we have allowed ourselves to lower the bar over and over.
     
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    How was I suppose to search something that I didn't even know the name of?

    Hope you didn't strain yourself too much helping me.

    But - looking past your sarcasm - I really do appreciate the link.

    And btw - I'm not a dude.
     
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    I am not sure this is the answer in tennis Brad. How come we produce the best point guards, best shooting guards, quaterbacks, some great shortstops, 2nd basemen, center fielders, wide receivers, volleyball players? Why can us lazy American be just as good in almost every other sport as anyone in the world in all these other games and in tennis we are way behind Spain, France, Russia, Serbia, etc.?

    Our basketball point guards can crush most of the very best from Spain and France. Yet they have way more top 100 tennis players than we do. How come only in tennis we fall so short?? Our cushy lifestyle only hurt us in tennis and no other sports???

    The real reason is because our very best athletes play all those other sports and do not play tennis. Their best athletes play tennis or soccer.

    A basic fact that rankles the USTA and many tennis parents.
     
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    Well, don't you think that it is simply that tennis is not one of the top chosen sports or professions. I'm sure you and I and many others just LOVE tennis and think it's the best sport and past time available. I just don't think that enough agree with us. Just look at the opportunities to our kids -
    music, acting, singing, modeling, baseball, basketball, softball. Its just as simple as - we aren't getting the cream of the crop to even start with.
    I mean haven't you noticed when you go to sports authority or any sports merchandise website that they offer t-shirts or other merchandise in every other sport except tennis. My son and I were just laughing about this today.
    I went to a "sports apparel" website and they offered items in every sport under the sun except tennis. Even lacrosse. This happens to us all the time

    Of course we'll keep trying but our kids have a world of choices in front of them. Why would they spend 5 hours a day in 90 degree heat when they could record songs in the air conditioning. ( sarcasm of course ). With all of the choices in the good ol' USA, not sure tennis will rise to the top for a good long while.

    Your absolutely correct - our best athletes are playing other sports.
    Should we jump ship and endear basketall???
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    you forgot

    they do not have BS minimalist frugal coaches like we have here in the US especially down in FL who are on an agenda.
     
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    i will answer by each statement!

    Why do we have the best in all these other sports, simple cause these other sports are not as big in other countries, but in the 2004 olympics in Athens Greese ,our "dream team"of NBA stars lost to Argentina,Lithuania and Puerto Rico. Do you remember this the coach was Larry Brown and he had just won the finals over LA LAKERS so he knew what he was doing (coaching wise)

    So the above kinda contradicts your (point gaurds crushing theory)if were to face the facts, the gold medal doesn't lie LOL ,,When the other countries get a chance at us every 4 years the gold medals up for grabs ,DOESNT SHOW ME DOMINATION.

    TENNIS IS A SUPERIOR SPORT it takes a intelligent, discipline, athletic, person to do well unlike other sports. Maybe thats why Obama took one look out the back door and decided to turn the tennis courts into a basketball court at the White House , this sport is one on one and it takes problem solving,

    so we see we are not the best even at the other sports ask Larry Brown
     
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    I don't know about the best athletes,I alway think that if given the right set of circumstances one can produce a sport champion .. it doesn't need to be the best athlete or height or strength ,ect.. yes it sure helps but to be a great sports champion ,it comes from having great desires,.. early maybe a real dedication from the parents and then later the kid following the strict discipline installed by the upbringing ,.. great desires from the parents and the kid to follow up on what there ..
     
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    Yes Brad , Kobe and Brian Westbrook and Larry Fitzgerald and Tom Brady and Chris Paul and Chase Utley are all too stupid, lazy, unathletic, and undisciplined to have play tennis!
     
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    Part of that may be true, but the real truth is that the middle class has been steadily screwed by wealth transfer to fewer and fewer people, leaving them to scramble for temporary jobs and whatever health benefits they can find. They have assumed that no job is going to last and they could be unable to see a doctor tomorrow. To divert attention from the real problems, they are also lectured to by politicians about how the country has become soft, which appeals to the ego, because everyone thinks he is Mr. Tough. One way to produce champions is to come from poor countries in war zones, but the better, normal way would be to grow up in a financially secure home where a child can pursue his dreams, tennis or not. But the shift of wealth away from the middle class has resulted in families surviving day to day. People who glorify the few players who grew up in a war zone in Bosnia playing in a dried up swimming pool should not forget about the other tens of thousands of people who died. Is that really something to aspire for?
     
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  31. tenniscrazed

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    Tennis is not our cultural sport, it is really that simple. Once we accept that then everything moves ahead.

    IMHO, the answer lies in finding children that have a passion for individual sports. I think that finding children that have a passion for other sports and hope because they're good athletes that passion will transfer to tennis is very unreasonable. Personally, I think it's like a dog chasing his tail. USTA, etc will keep looking for those prized athletes and try to make them into tennis players. WRONG, one needs to find kids with PASSION for the sport first, then turn them into tennis players. Not the otherway around.

    Also, look Yannick Noah and what he did with his son as a great example. Here is a guy that was clearly a gifted tennis player in his day. What path did he take with his 6' 7" son. I'm sure Yannick did not wake up one day in Florida and said " I got it my son is going to become a pro basketball player". No, he saw that his son had a passion for something and they went for it. Clearly going with the passion paid off for them. I think they are a great example of an athlete that went into the direction of passion.
     
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    Kobe is the exception, but read what i wrote and face the "facts" do you remember the olympics?
     
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    Well, I know that my husband and I can be pretty hard on our kid and that's why we have him with a coach now. My husband just wants to be the ball feeder, not the coach. He was a USPTA pro many years ago and he is obsessive about stroke technique, etc. We didn't want that to ruin his father/son relationship. Having someone on the outside(ie. a coach) I think helps us stay balanced.
    PS: I already homeschool my son, I didn't want to have to school him on the court!!! I think he gets enough of mom and dad at home!:) Poor kid!
     
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    Tennis takes too much money. The parents have to be rich or be pushy in the extreme to secure resources for their child. Even if the kid is 100 percent motivated and the kind of kid who will hit serves until it gets dark and their parents have to come looking for them, it doesnt matter if the family doesnt have the money to travel all over the US playing tournaments. I have seen kids get turned down for USTA money in the past and have it go to kids who dont really need it, because the USTA knows that on a long term basis, the poor kids cant sustain it. So they dont bother to give them any of it. Kids can also sense when the parents are stressed over money and may back off and do something else that is less resource intensive. If you're a single mom isnt it easier to put your kid in basketball or something where another parent or the coach can take care of some of the logistics?

    In other countries, it is cheaper to travel due to smaller areas and the federations help a lot more in terms of setting up a better tournament system. Juniors cant earn money here so it is just cash going out the whole time with no sure chance of payback.

    I also love the stories about the kids playing in swimming pools - yes there may have been resource issues due to war and politics but dont forget that those kids are rich. They aren't from the streets of any of those countries. They are from rich prominent familes who have the resource to allow their kids to pursue tennis. It doesnt hurt that European kids also earn money from tournaments at 16 to help offset expenses.

    Lastly, tennis is just not that popular in the States. You can play a random summer tournament in France and have a big crowd watching the match. Here, not very likely. Top college programs struggle to get an audience.
     
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    Olympic basketball has nothing to do with my point or my post at all. We are talking about picking specific skill position elite athletes from various sports. Athletes whose decision making and athletic talents might translate well to a sport like tennis. We are wondering what would happen if a large percentage focused on tennis instead of other sports.

    The fact that a foreign basketball TEAM, that plays together all year, playing a set of rules that is very different from the NBA, plays well together against a TEAM of NBA players is 100%, utterly, and totally irrelevant to the discussion.

    As others have posted, in almost every single athletic endeavor that Americans embrace, we excel at and are as good as any other country.

    Yet in tennis, countries with 1/8th our population such as France and Spain, along with countries that are tiny such as Serbia, have lots more top 100 players per capita than we do.

    The whys and how to fix that are what we are discussing here.
     
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    Sometimes the poorer kids get discovered.

    Sachia Vickery did not come from money, has a single mom. She played on some bad courts as a little kid. But her talent was evident and the tennis folks came in to support her.

    Richard Williams did the same thing...called Macci and said he had talented girls. Macci looked, liked, the rest is history.

    Sharapova came here with her dad...he had nothing. Worked as a cab driver for 2 years. She hit at local parks for 2 years, no coach but dad. IMG said no to her at 7....yes at 9.

    I bet if we go through the WTA and ATP top 50 we can find another 20 examples of poorer kids being discovered.

    IMG and others get hundreds of videos a year, from poor and rich kids parents...they look at every one. If you know of a specific kid with huge promise that is being forced out of tennis due to money, send a video to IMG. They will look at it....they make money finding the gems, rich and poor.
     
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    All good points. The Olympic team sports are irrelevent when discussing individual abilities....especially basketball.
     
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    Its not relevant!!! He keeps saying that our best athletes are in other sports and when one of those other sports (BASKETBALL)shows up to the grand stage the Olympics with our best so-called athletes and we lose to countries that are not focused on those sports,"hello"

    What happened is your argument dies right at the Olympics with Basketball!!

    These other counties schooled our very best or as Tennisflorida would say the inner-city athlete got spanked by counties that are not as in to basketball as us.
     
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    How are you not understanding the underlying MAIN point.:shock:. Basketball is a team sport and (especially with international rules) and there are many, many factors that contribute to on court TEAM success. The Olympics are a great example. The US obviously had better athletes than the other countries and better individual players however; when put together with only a few weeks to prepare in a situation with players that they haven't played with, with a different coach, different strategies needed, and against competition that has played under those rules and together AS A TEAM for years in many cases - the results can be bad. Take any of these players "one-on-one" with foreign athletes and the results would probably be much different. And the other countries are definitely becoming more "in" to basketball during recent years. The leagues over there are becoming huge. The Olympic basketball example is completely irrelevant to your argument.
     
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    I agree. Most great athletes in the US are playing other sports and dominating those sports; especially those sports most popular in the county (your point about team sports being a different animal is spot on). That is a major reason why the much smaller countries around the world have an incredibly larger relative amount of top tennis players than the US. I'm not sure of the best ways to deal with this. More inner-city exposure to tennis (but it will never become the "sport of choice" for the best athletes IMO); maybe more money/focus on youth programs or a better development program at the USTA? Who knows. But it is almost comical to see some of the lousy results and lack of good athletes coming up in the ranks of US tennis during the past years. I don't think that we're going to get there by having parents on individual basis taking their 5 year olds and sending them to France for "tennis immersion" either, lol.
     
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    I like your take here. Yes if we can get tennis on the inner city levels, in schools from early like elementary or late as middle school, we can probably turn this thing around.
    The reason I grew up playing tennis is from my dad, God love him, he wasn't the BEST player, but he took the time with me and then I went on to a coach. I love the sport. The people at my time, like Becker, Lendl, Sampras, Courier, just to name a few I always like to watch.

    People, I think want the quick and easy way out. All the football, basketball, baseball player, make tons of money and their lifestyles are always seen. To see that, many opt to these sports for the money. Many of the sports are so publicized that the younger generations see your Lebrons, Mannings, Jeters, and want to grow up just to be like them. "I want to be like Mike!"

    And plus it is cheaper to buy a pair of shoes, or cleats and a ball!
     
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    Well said....I can only imagine some of the great tennis players the US would have had if a few of these type athletes had ever focused on (had the chance?) at tennis. Sadly, tennis is not on the radar for most gifted young athletes in the US and for many of the reasons that you bring up. A great young athlete in my area is going to want to be the next Tom Brady, Kevin Garnett, or David Ortiz rather then the next "Roddick" - and he will certainly have more opportunity to pursue those sports than tennis. Interesting thread subject. The solution evades me.
     
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    ^^^If tennis was marketed more or publicized more to our youth and be more inexpensive in terms of coaching or playing the sport. I believe it can flourish tremendously! It just needs 'water', 'sunlight', and a lil love.....
     
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    Excellent discussion, the last three posters, John Galt, ryangoring, and Mulligan, have made some great points.

    We do have some bright spots, some young talent coming along, especially on the girls side. And when you read the bios of Sachia Vickery or Madison Keys and some other talented girls they almost always say they got interested in tennis, or their parents did, after seeing the Williams sisters. There are even 2 sisters, the Pitt sisters, who are trying to emulate the Williams sisters. They actually look pretty dang good in their You Tube videos.
     
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    as a parent whose son wants to play the sport, i had some set backs in life that caused me stop the club clinics for him. which really hurts. i tried to take him on the courts but i guess the you are doing it wrong attitude sets in, i get frustrsted with it.
    he is 9 and just started.
    maybe some parents get this way and give up the ghost on tennis.
    maybe another reason why it struggles here in america.
    i have plans to get him back in to camp and start over with him.

    tenniscoachfla, should i just take my son out to courts and just have fun and hit with him instead of worrying about footwork or strokes or form?

    great thread that you have started
     
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    a lot of people on this forum love to talk about "" most gifted young athletes"".. I don't see any.. babies aren't born to be athletes .. if you take Andre's and Steffi's kid and raised them as normal kids never introducing them to tennis,do you think those kids will be ""most gifted young athletes"" .. this article may be right on.. look at Tiger's dad,he's more demanding than a drill sargent and his mom was the tough one in the family... everyone says that Tiger is so gifted,I never bought that.. he was raised and brainwashed ,and disciplined to be Tiger since he was a baby.. it was his crazy dad and mom who gave all that to him.. but off course,he had to finish the job and keep doing what he was raised to do,but he already had the discipline instill in him since very young..
     
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  47. TennisCoachFLA

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    I have seen your situation 1000 times. Tennis can be a rough thing to teach to your own kid. It naturally lends itself to constant corrections. You want to constantly remind the kid about footwork and follow through and on and on.

    I can't even count the times I have seen parent-child tennis sessions end in anger, frustration, or tears.

    There just is no easy answer. Each kid is so different. The correct balance of letting them have fun BUT not develop horrible strokes is tough.

    I have a 5 year old daughter who enjoys tennis. But if mom or dad corrects her she quickly tunes out. But when a 10 year old girl at the club shows her the same thing she will listen and do it all day long!

    Maybe find an older boy who knows enough to show your son some things. Sometimes a coach the boy thinks is 'cooler than dad' gets the job done!

    But if it is going to be you, you have to keep the fun portion as high as possible. Because if he flips that switch that tennis is no fun for him he may never come back to it.
     
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  48. John Galt

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    I agree to a point, however I definitely believe that there is such a thing as a "natural born athlete". You need to have the foundation (physical structure and innate basic talent) to take advantage of the upbringing. In other words you cannot take a kid with an obese gene pool or with a disadvantaged physique and magically create the next Lebron. You can train (discipline?)your child to be whatever you want him/her to be but if the basics aren't there.....you will be sadly disappointed.
     
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  49. TennisCoachFLA

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    Not true at all. Study some genetics, study some sports science.

    How come there are no more Tigers? Since Tiger appeared on the Mike Douglas show at age 2.....30 years ago.....many, many dads have tried to emulate him. I have seen course after course littered with tiny kids playing golf. I have seen many news stories on 3-4-5-6 year old golf boys. These families have money and the best coaching. And they had the role model of Tiger and his fame and fortune to motivate them. They have had WAY better coaching than Tiger had as a boy. Yet zero Tigers.

    How come there is not one that has ever emerged like Tiger in the past 3 decades?? Show me all the 18-25 year old amazing golfers that are at the top of all the major tournaments?

    Tiger was the perfect storm....obsessed dad AND supernatural talent AND supernatural work ethic. The odds of producing another Tiger are beyond tiny....no matter how young they start or how disciplined or how obsessed the parents.
     
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  50. SoCal10s

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    well I'll agree with 2 out of 3""obsessed dad AND supernatural work ethic.""
    it's all about hard work.. my dear .. Tiger has said that he didn't miss a day of practice until he was 20 something.. even in rain he was out there... how many of those Tiger clones are willing to put that kind of sacrifice.. It has to really burn inside the heart and gut to do it..
    IMO,, two WORDS that killed more want-a-be than anything.. TALENT.. and EXPECTATIONS... when players hear and start to believe how much TALENT they have ect.,ect.. they're finished, if they don't work hard.. when players feel the pressures of EXPECTATIONS put upon them.. they are doomed if they don't keep working harder to fill those expectations ...
     
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