Was Austin just a hard court specialist?

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  1. NadalAgassi

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    Tracy's prime and career were cut very short by injury of course. However the question I have about her is if she was just a hard court and carpet specialist or if she was capable of winning on the natural surfaces of clay and grass someday. She played Wimbledon every year from 1977-1982 but failed to win it or reach a final. She did not play the French Open until 1982, but had a win over Evert on clay in 1979, so never gave herself much chance to win there as she did not bother trying during her prime years.

    So was she capable of winning big titles on clay and/or grass or was she just a hard court specialist predominantly. Like another version of Clijsters 3 decades earlier.
     
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    I think she was perfectly capable of winning on clay. Most of her experience was on hard courts so she would have to get used to the movement, but she had the temperament stamina and strokes for clay victories. If she had continued, both Evert and Navratilova's mid 80's RG titles would have been at more risk.

    I don't see much success on grass at all, though she did win Eastbourne. She had more backswing/ followthrough in her strokes than Evert, so adjusting to the bounces would be more troubling. Tracy was less willing to volley or use underspin/ slice than Chris. Finally, Austin's serve was just plain awful. Tracy could break serve by passing, but she is not going to hold serve at all well. while some of this stuff gets learned, Tracy just was't the tactician Chris was. She did not have much in the way of plan's B, C and D.
     
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  3. NadalAgassi

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    If she was capable of winning on clay I dont understand why she wouldnt have played the French from 79-81. It seems a silly decision on her part to skip a major event she had a chance of winning at. Of course at that point she probably felt she had her whole career ahead of her.
     
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    Remember too she was still under the thumb of her parents. Who knows what marching orders she got.
     
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    Her school work is the reason why Austin didn't play the French Open before 1982.
     
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    Chris Evert won a record 125 consecutive matches on clay between '73 and '79. Who beat her in the semis at the Italian Open to end that streak? Austin.
     
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    Makes sense. she was still in high school trying to prepare for finals about that time .
     
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    I look at Austin's intangible strengths similarly to Seles'. As disadvantaged as Seles seemed on a grass court I would not put anything past her will power and resolve. She lost so badly in the 1992 final partially because Steffi played so well and partially because I don't believe Seles was confident enough to win on grass yet.

    Same thing with Austin. She hadn't really paid her dues on grass and clay. But she would have, and once she gained the confidence necessary I do think she would've been a threat at any slam.

    Unlike Seles though, I do think Tracy had more than one obstacle in her way. Trying to deal with an ever improving Martina would've been a huge challenge to her fitness and fragility. And once Evert won the psychologically important 1980 US Open Tracy lost a bit of an edge against Chris. Not to say that she couldn't or wouldn't have been able to beat those two from time to time. But Tracy would've had a lot of work to do to be able to stay with those two.
     
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    Tracy is also not as good as Seles, even considering their eras and the different racquets, etc... I cant see Tracy being #1 over a prime Martina or prime Graf, the way Seles was able to be #1 over a prime Graf. Not a chance IMO. The 83-84 Martina or 88-89 Graf she would be lucky to get maybe 1 win total against out of the 2 years combined for each. Challenging and possibly being #1 over Chris is easier only since Chris's game style fits into her own better, and even then Chris was still year end #1 over her in 80 and 81 (and #2 over her in 79).

    I actually think Hana is even more talented than Tracy but much less driven so Tracy probably would have been better over the long haul.

    Of course that isnt to say she wasnt a threat to win future slams but she was never a dominant player in waiting.
     
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    Don't know about that. Austin battered Evert 6-1, 6-2 in the semi finals of the Toyota Championships in 1981. The 1980 US Open match was more about Evert ending her period of being spooked by Austin rather than having any mental effect on Austin.
     
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    Played well on clay,indoors and hard and was not bad at Wimbledon.But her game IMo was too limited.She wouldn´t have stand up in front of the Martina of the mid 80´s or the Graf of the early 90´s.She was a one sided player, whose game was based on will and endurance, but little else.I think she is very overrated as a player, she isn´t just in the same league of Martina,Evert,Stefi or Seles....and quite less talented ( but menthally stronger) than Mandlikova.
     
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    I really think Tracy's best ever chances to win Wimbledon were always 80 and 81, but especialy 1980. She was never going to beat Martina on grass at Wimbledon from 82-87, nor was she ever going to beat Graf there from 88-93, and after that she would be too old to be a real threat.

    In 1980 she lost a very winnable semifinal match to a past her prime Goolagong. Goolagong then went out to easily beat a flat Evert in the final. Evert was Austin's lapdog around then, so I really think Tracy would have beaten her in the final, even on grass.

    1981 she also would have had a chance since as Mustard said she was still doing well against Chris in 81, and Hana played a poor final. She ended up losing to Shriver in a big upset in the quarters, her first ever loss to Pam. She would have played Chris in the semis if she won. However Chris was really in top form at this Wimbledon and is a better grass courter, so I doubt Tracy beating her this year.

    We all seem in agreement she had more chances of being a threat on clay than on grass. I do think she could have definitely been a contender at the French Open in future years, as well as the years she didnt play it.
     
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    If you could have taken Jaeger's brain and put in with Austin's body and will, you have a real Wimbledon contender. Jeger was much more willing to improvise, volley and be tactically flexible.
     
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    I think you hit the key word here..."flexible" as it relates to Tracy. Her mental strength was rare. That's why I wouldn't give up on her too easily. There's no doubt that the bad bounces on grass courts would've been a real challenge for Tracy because she was so mechanical. Evert was much better at being able to handle those types of things.

    I think Tracy would've remained a solid #3 in the game at least until the oversized racquet era. I don't think she would've won a ton of slams. But she could've cut into the Martina/Chris strangle hold more often than Hana did.

    I also agree about Andrea. The only thing that stopped Andrea from winning at least one or two slams in her career was Andrea herself, mentally and physically. She had so much talent and the ability to play from all over the court. Neither she nor Hana had that one key element that seperated them from Tracy and the others and that's hating to lose more than they love to win. I think that's absolutely essential to being on the higher level that both failed to reach.
     
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    I remember seeing a match between Tracy and Jaeger at Easborne in the final one year. It really showed the differences between the two. Jaeger seemed to have alot more variety, alot more creativity, more all court ability, and even as much or at times more power than the hard hitting groundstroker Austin. However Tracy still crushed her since she continued playing her straightforward baseline game with accuracy, pace and depth, and utmost focus, and Jaeger just seemed to be in and out of focus and have too many options for shots she didnt know what to do with.

    One could also use that analogy to compare Sabatini and Zvereva to Graf, Seles, and Sanchez Vicario for instance, particularly Sanchez who most believe when all three (Sabatini, Zvereva, Sanchez) were coming up to be less talented yet ended up being infinitely better and having the better career by a long ways than those two (even if aided by the Seles stabbing).
     
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    I always believed Andrea had something special, while Austin was just a ground stroke machine.jaeger is certainly one of the most underperforming players I´ve seen in the women´s ranks ( she was like a women´s Mecir)
     
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    I agree on the basic concepts but...Austin won 2 GS and Mandlikova won 4...
     
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    That is because Mandlikova had a decade plus long career and Austin was retired at 20 (and physically finished at 18 ). Austin had she stayed healthy would have most likely had the better career, despite that Hana is the more talented player. Even as it is many would rate Austin higher all time than Hana since she was World #1 in the Evert/Navratilova era, ended two years at #2 over Navratilova, was WTA Player of the Year in 1980, and won events like the Toyota and Avon Championships which were bigger than the Australian and French Opens in the WTA until around 1982 or 1983 while Hana non won a Season Championship event. Thus plus winning the U.S Open 2 times in 3 years which shows a brief semi dominance of the event, which Hana never had anywhere. I remember some major magazines doing some all time lists over the last decade and while I dont have them on me right now, I do remember Austin was placed higher than Hana in each one, some very slightly, some by a bigger margin. ACE in the late 90s came up with a top 50 women players all time list and had Tracy at #14 I believe an Mandlikova at #27 (Martina was #1 over Graf at #2).

    Anyway 2 of Hana's 4 slam wins Tracy while at the top of the game didnt play which given their relative position in the womens game and head to head encounters at the time was most likely to Hana's gain (although they were on grass and clay, so who knows, I guess this is where the thread title comes into play).
     
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    No doubt about Austin's best surface, but where would Jaeger have gotten her majors/ I think her RG final is a bit deceptive. My gut instinct is that she, like Hingis, would find more ultimate favor on hard or grass.
     
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    I agree Austin´s season end championship wins place, at least, at the same level if not higher than Hana´s 2 AO wins.I admit it.And she was menthally stronger.Possibly a combination of Hana´s talent and physichal strength and Tracy´s will and menthal steadiness would have made a bigger player than Navratilova,Evert, might be Graf,Court...
     
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    Grass, may be Australian grass more than London´s.And Hard,too.
     
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    Arent you forgetting Graf for the 80s. Graf was by far the best player of the late 80s, and on that alone was the 2nd or 3rd best player of the 80s (along with Evert and behind Navratilova). Sabatini even probably rates higher than Jaeger and Shriver in the 80s based on her U.S Open final, her many slam semis, her WTA Championships title, her various Premier tournament titles.

    So for the 1980s I would say: Navratilova, Graf, Evert, Mandlikova, with Austin a solid fifth and Sabatini a good sixth.

    As for the 2000s I think you are forgetting Henin, Mauresmo, and Capriati. Actually Hingis didnt win anything in the 2000s other than a WTA Championship title. For the 2000s it would be Venus, Serena, Henin, Capriati, with Sharapova a solid fifth and Clijsters a good sixth.
     
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    I wouldn't classify Austin as a hard court specialist because most all of the top women in any era can play well across all surfaces but I would say that hard courts were definitely her best surface.


    That being said, I don't think she would have ever won Wimbledon even if her career hadn't been cut short - there were too many other ladies who were better on that surface - as for clay I'm sure she would have been quite good on it had she been allowed to play more clay court tournaments.


    I also think she is a very underrated player and IMO she would have been quite dangerous throughout the rest of the 80s had she remained healthy.
     
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    Dan Maskell said in 1977, straight after Austin lost to Evert in the third round of Wimbledon, that he was convinced that Austin was a future Wimbledon champion.
     
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    Oh if Conchita Martinez and Martina Hingis can win one, so can Tracy. But she has to get a little lucky in the draw and final to do it and she is a one time holder. No one here sees much potential in her grass game.
     
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    Hingis is definitely a better grass courter than Austin. She has beautiful volleys and nice movement and balance on the surface. A better serve than Austin too, even considering the different eras and technology, and even with Hingis not having an oustanding serve. Of course she also won in a weak year with Graf out, most of the veterans on the way down, and Novotna injured in the final, and never came that close to winning it again.

    As I said earlier I think Tracy's best shot to win Wimbledon already happened in 1980 where she lost a winnable match to a past her prime Goolagong in the semis at the time she owned Chris and Chris played a poor final. To a lesser degree 1981 maybe. We already know the draw to the title wasnt going to open up for her for a long time with Navratilova winning the 6 Wimbledons (over Chris, Graf, or Mandlikova in the finals of 5 of the 6), and Graf winning 5 of the next 6 Wimbledons after that (the other won by Navratilova). The only way she was going to win a Wimbledon after 81 was to improve by leaps and bounds on grass as the competition for her to win on grass was soon to go way up just by virtue of Navratilova and later Graf alone.
     
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    I think Jaeger had a lot more natural talent and ability then Tracy. She had the instinct on the court that made some things look simple. She was very raw, not polished, she left the tour young and had so much more to give and grow, but even then she made 2 major finals. She didn't have the killer/champion instinct, she didn't really want to win. Kind of like Clijsters prior to the 2005 Open, great player but not really ready to win the big one.

    No knock on Tracy, she was talented to, but it was almost mechinical, she didn't have the natural ease and grace as much as Jaeger did. Tracy however wanted to win and be a champion, so she got 2 majors and got to number 1 for a time. She had the hunger and mentality to win...Jaeger didn't want to.

    As for the OP's question. Tracy at least had the ability to win on clay, she broke Everts 125 match win streak on Dirt, it was a dogfight to do it but she did it. She could play against both Evert and Martina...and she definitely could have won a French..with a little luck and good form when it counted of course, but it was possible. I would agree though she never would have gotten Wimbledon...if she didn't get it in 1980 she was never going to get it any year after that. Even if she was able to reach a final after that, sans injuries, Martina would have clobbered her...assuming she didn't draw her before then and was able to get past the always a threat Evert and the possible Mandlikova...then of course there was Graf. Tracy could play on Grass, she did get to QF's and SF's at Wimbledon, and she would have always been a dangerous dark horse to test somebody, maybe cause 1 upset of a larger favorite..but probably not win.
     
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    True.Austin´s peak happened in the middle of Chrissie´s post marriage downcoming and Martina´s nerves problems.When Chrissie settled her back into business and Martina worked extremely well to hold up nerves, Austin had nothing to do in the tour.She wasn´t just as good as them, may be a good nº 4 or nº 5 yes, but would have been beaten always in the big finals by 1981 Chris Evert or 1982 Martina Navratilova.
     
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    Austin was a hard court specialist, because she was raised on that surface. The majority of her success came on hardcourts. But she also won a number of events indoors. She did win some clay and grass events. But those surfaces always exposed her weaknesses.

    Austin's strengths were her ability to hit the ball on a dime, and be patient, and determined. She never gave up, and even when losing sets or games against harder hitting opponents, she still believed she would win. She was a better mover than given credit for her, similar to Seles, although neither were really fleet of foot. Both had very good anticipation.

    Austin did beat Evert on clay, and ended Chris' 125 match win streak in Rome, 64,26,76. A match Evert should have won, but didn't. They only played 2x on clay, and never after that Rome match. The Rome match occurred just a few weeks after Evert's marriage to John Lloyd. And I've got to say, Chris was in a bit of a funk at the time.

    Austin didn't enter the French until 1982, claiming high school was more important. Supposedly she didn't play there in 1980 because of her H.S. graduation. Funny, because Tracy had no problem travelling to Japan, Australia, and Europe during the school year many times prior to her first appearance at the French. No matter. Austin would NEVER have won the French. Although she was a top clay court player, there's a difference between winning a clay event in the U.S. (the Family Circle Cup) and winning against Europe's top clay court players on the slow red clay at Roland Garros.

    Austin did win the FCC in 1979 and 1980, the two years Evert did not play from 1974-1982. Tracy did not play a lot of clay events in her career. Skipping the European clay court season in its entirety for her career, save for one German Open appearance in 1981. Not comfortable or confident enough to travel to Europe and play red clay events.

    It's not that surprising Austin won Eastbourne in 1980 and 1981. She was #2 at the time, and didn't have to beat Navratilova or Evert. Beating Jaeger was a good win, because Andrea had just beaten Navratilova, and Andrea had a game more suited for grass. But then, Austin always had a big psychological edge over Andrea, and rarely lost to her.

    Austin may have seemed like a future Wimbledon champ in 1977. But that's the way it goes. Grass would again expose her weakness. Her inflexibility around the court. Austin was great when she could set up her shots, which works very well on hard courts and indoors, because the bounce is truer and more consistent. When points are shorter, and passing shots more difficult to hit, Austin was more limited. Her best chance may have been in 1980, when she was #2, and was favored to beat Goolagong, and would have been favored to beat Evert (considering her recent dominance). However, Goolagong did always give Tracy trouble, and played Tracy perfectly in the final set, exposing Austin's weaknesses. Somehow, had Evonne crumbled, I have no doubt Evert would have squashed her in the final. Chris would have relished the opportunity to play Tracy on grass. And it's a pity they only played once, in 1977 Wimbledon. I wish Austin had beaten Shriver in the 1981 QF, because Evert was at her best in that Wimbledon. And no way would she have lost to Tracy.
     
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    Austin?
    Isn't she this American player who beat a 13-year-old Steffi Graf, declared afterwards that "there are hundreds like her back in the States" - only to lose the next match against Steffi with 0-6 0-6?
    On hard-court?
     
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    This is true.I think she would have stood a better chance vs Mandlikova, just because of Hana´s nerves, but peak Mandlikova beats peak Austin on any court, at any time.
     
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    She was barely 31 ...
     
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    Being 31 years old is far more indicative of something than being 13 years old.
     
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    Tracy has publicly admitted she underestimated Graf in 1983. Later on in her commentary career she claims Graf is the best player ever in women tennis.

    Since she already withdrew her stupid comment in 1983 and is very positive about Graf's achievement and tennis now, I think it's time for us to move on and forget and forgive her mistake in 1983. After all she was just a teenager herself when making such a comment.Furthermore she seems to view Graf as the GOAT in women tennis now so no need to keep trashing her.

    Tracy is a great player. Had she stayed healthy, she would share some part of dominance of Martina and Chris in 82-86.
     
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    Its kind of funny in hindsight, but its says nothing more than how hard it is to consistently predict who tomorrow's champions will be, from today's form. Either you want folks to risk being wrong, or you want melba toast from everyone's mouth.
     
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    It is not a question of forgiving or trashing - it is simply funny ...
     
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    lovely, bitte danke
     
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    Good quote, let´s be fair.Tracy was very important because she broke, for a while, the Evert-Navratilova strenghold on women´s tennis, after King´s retirement and Goolagong´s marriage...and before the emergence of Mandlikova.She had a specific role in those years and made women´s tennis more competitive and interesting.
     
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    When Graf played in the late 80´s, just an ageeing navratilova and two newcomers, Sabatini and Sanchez could mean a thread for her ( Mandlikova was almost off and Seles had not appeared yet).

    Let´s be fair, Tracy had a much tougher field in 1979-1981 than Steffi in 1987-1989.Another thing is the level of competition Graf fought during the 90´s, with emerging Seles and Hingis, matured Sabatini,Sanchez,Pierce,Novotna and Martinez, and talented Mary Jo.This was really tough competition, not the Zvereva of the 80´s...
     
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    Tracy Austin hadn't played professional tennis long enough for her to be a specialist of any surface. Had she not suffered an early retirement so young, her game would have adapted to clay much better than grass. Her results on grass and clay would have improved over the years with more exposure and experience.

    What impressed me most about Tracy is that she battled and won against two of the greatest all-time in women's tennis. Tracy gave both Evert and Navratilova some notable beatdowns.

    Tracy was most definitely the future of American tennis.

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    It's virtually impossible to predict whether Tracy Austin would ever have won Wimbledon or not, although she was good enough to win Eastbourne back-to-back in 1980-81. That said, she didn't play Martina Navratilova there in either of those years, and Martina beat her at Wimbledon in 1978 and 1979.

    Of course, Tracy had also won Junior Wimbledon in 1978, beating Hana Mandlikova, 6-0, 3-6, 6-4. At the time many observers were predicting a great future for both players...
     
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    Martina in 79-81 was much worse than she was in the mid 80s. You are right the field in the mid 80s was perhaps the worst ever (other than the last few years of the current WTA) and Martina took full advantage, but even so she herself far superior to 79-81. The Martina of 83-86 would have never been losing regularly to the likes of Shriver, Turnbull, Jaeger. She got in MUCH better shape, became much more commited, improve her serve further, improved her groundgame, was moving better. No comparision.
     
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    Much worse????? uauhhh¡
     
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    Austin was a hard court specialist, as she had her highest degree of success on that surface. She was raised on hard courts, so naturally she was most comfortable on that surface. Austin did very well indoors (she actually won more tournaments indoors than hard courts, but that is because the tour had many more indoor events when she played). The indoor surface accentuated her strengths, which was to hit the ball hard, deep, and accurately.

    Austin's body was never well suited for clay. Although she was very consistent, and able to sustain and win long rallies, over the long haul, she just wouldn't have been able to record the same success on clay. And she was NEVER, and I mean NEVER going to win Wimbledon. EVER! With Evert and Navratilova, not to mention Mandlikova, King (who did beat her in 1982), Shriver, and then Graf, even a perfectly healthy Austin would never have been able to win Wimbledon. EVER!

    Tracy was a hard court specialist. And like any other top player in the women's game, was able to have success, and win tournaments on all surfaces. But at the very highest levels, she was never going to win a French or Wimbledon title. During her era, had the Australian Open been played on Rebound Ace, and all the top players competing, I do see Austin with a good chance at winning the Australian.

    She still had limitations in her game. And if she ever tried (and there is a reason why she didn't - lack of confidence!!!!) to play the European clay circuit, she would have been met with a lot of resistance. The Ruzici's, Jausovec's, Marsikova's, and Hanika's would have beaten her. The red clay in Europe was not the same as the Family Circle Cup.

    Tracy had success in Japan and Filderstadt from a young age. All those wins came indoors. Apart from those two places, Tracy had very little success outside the U.S.

    Yup, she was good, but she really was a hard court specialist, with limitations.
     
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  45. NadalAgassi

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    She was much worse. Do you honestly think the Martina of 83-86 would have lost 3 times in a row to 15 year old Jaeger (or any version of Jaeger).
     
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  46. newmark401

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    Tracy Austin won the junior singles title at Wimbledon in 1978, beating Hana Mandlikova in the final. Tracy was a semi-finalist in the main singles event at Wimbledon in 1979 and 1980, losing to the eventual champion each time (Navratilova in 1979 and Cawley in 1980). Tracy won the Eastbourne singles title on grass back-to-back in 1980-81. Tracy also won the mixed doubles title at Wimbledon in 1980 with her brother John, and they were runner-up in the same event at the same tournament the following year. So, she was really quite good on grass, although she might never have won the singles title at Wimbledon. Who knows for sure?
     
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  47. NadalAgassi

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    Jaeger was an overhyped pretender. Martina in top form would always spank her like she always did in 82-83. Graf would probably treat her like Zvereva or Tauziat if they ever met.

    Anyway you seem to be saying the game was always weak. Late 80s when Graf dominated was weak, most of the 80s when Martina dominated was weak. When was it strong exactly then.
     
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  48. DMan

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    I know for sure. She NEVER won a Wimbledon singles title!!!

    Apart from her win over Billie Jean King at Wimbledon in 1979 (When King was still on the comeback trail that year), just who did Tracy ever beat on grass? Wendy Turnbull. Greer Stevens. Beating 16 year old Hana in 1978 in the junior event doesn't exactly scream mastery! Austin was competent on grass and that's it. Andrea Jaeger had a better career record than Austin at Wimbledon.
     
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  49. DMan

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    Sorry, but ROFLMAO at reading a sentence with "Jaeger" and "fighting spirit" in the same sentence!!! Especially since the words "lack of" didn't precede fighting spirit.

    Jaeger certainly had talent. And in the fall of 1980 through the spring of 1981, during one of the lower points in Martina's career, Jaeger beat her 3 times. Once Martina beat her there was no turning back, and Martina thoroughly dominated her. Just like the Evert-Jaeger rivalry. There was just a brief period when Andrea beat Chris. Apart from that, most of their matches were never close.

    Even hard court specialist Tracy Austin usually beat Jaeger, only losing twice in their career H2H.
     
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  50. DMan

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    Isn't this thread supposed to be about Tracy Austin being a hard court specialist?!?!

    Aren't there enough other Evert/Graf/Navratilova/Seles threads out there?!
     
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