Was Courier treated like a step child at Bollettieri

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  1. film1

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    Did it seem to others like Bollettieri promoted Andre a lot more than Courier? I thought Jim had fire and seemed like he wanted to prove he was not some 2nd class player in Andre's shadow.
     
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    Absolutely correct. Bollettieri drooled over Agassi and pretty much kicked Courier to the curb, especially once Andre turned pro in 1986. It was pretty embarrassing. Even when they first played as pros, Bollettieri and his cronies would all sit in Agassi's section with no one supporting Courier.

    That's why I was SO happy when Jim beat Andre in the 91 French final and then proceeded to dominate their H2h for the next 4+ years.

    In retrospect, it was probably the best thing to happen to Courier, b/c it forced him to be on his own and find a real coach (which he did with Jose Higueras); he never would have become #1 if Bollettieri had remained draped over him.

    Similarly (and ironically), Agassi never became #1 until he and Bollettierri parted ways and he hooked up with a real coach who made the most out of his potential (Brad Gilbert).
     
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    Bollettieri did a real disservice to Courier, which he now regrets.
     
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    Sorry

    I remember feeling sorry for Jim wondering if perhaps my perspective was
    off or if he was really being as disrespected as it appeared.

    Jim may have never been groomed to be a star but he still managed to shine pretty bright "naturally" and none the less and leave his name in the books.
     
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  5. drwood

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    Yeah, he's VERY underrated on these boards. That 1993 French final changed everything..if he wins that, he probably ends up with more slams than Edberg and Becker and would probably have become the 3rd best claycourter of all time (behind Borg and Nadal).

    Comparing Americans, Roddick for all the acclaim he's received has done FAR LESS than Courier did throughout his career. Unfortunately, Courier was overshadowed by Chang's French title, his loss to Edberg at the 1991 US Open (even though he owned Edberg everywhere else in slams from the 1991 French onward), and then of course by Sampras from 1993 onward.
     
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    He only regrets it because Courier won slams and became #1...without him
     
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  8. Datacipher

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    That's true. But the truth is, Bollettieri really didn't do anything that offensive to Courier. Courier was not treated badly at ALL at the academy. He received training just like everyone else, Agassi, Wheaton, Garner etc. He did very well there. Agassi was blessed with the personal attention when he went out on tour, due to his talent. Courier though, was still training at the academy and still getting help from Bollettieri coaches.

    The big "mistake" that ticked Courier off was seeing Bolletieri sitting and cheering for Agassi in their match. But really, Bollettieri was traveling hands-on with Agassi, and was only a figurehead for Courier at that point. It sucks for Jim, and PERHAPS Bolletieri should have not attended the match at all, some coaches who have had more than one pro, have done that. On the other hand, Bollettieri had many coaches working with differnet players and a lot of players. Must he always not attend any match with two academy players?

    In any case, Jim was justified in being disturbed by it, but it was hardly the greatest offense of all time. Courier realized he didnt' like the situation and had to move on, and he did. But poraying Jim as being neglected at the academy is an injustice.
     
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    While I can respect Jim Courier's accomplishments as well as his role in arguably one of the greatest periods in American Men's tennis, his game was damn ugly. Don't get me wrong, I liked that he was a grinder and that he worked his butt off...but I just couldn't get into watching him play for too long. And I always felt that his game required too much effort and felt he couldn't keep it up for long...so sure enough he faded away by the mid '90s. Many of my fellow tennis buddies at the time had the same assessment. I guess when I think about it, even Michael Chang's game wasn't all that pretty either...so I guess it fits that Courier and Chang were the 3rd and 4th wheels of that group. Of the four of them, I loved Agassi's game, was very impressed by Sampras and then you have Courier and Chang. I suppose guys like Tod Martin and David Wheaton deserve some mention as the other two guys who trailed that group.

    I tend to agree with Datacipher that the Bollettieri Academy had many hands involved, but that Nick was Andre's primary coach at the time. Courier moved on to a good setup with Jose Higueras and it made the best of his short career, so even as a fan, you really can't complain with the results. He's a great commentator, seems to have a good relationship with his old rivals...so he's obviously over it and so should his fans be.
     
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    If it looked bad to me, someone who had no personal feelings ether way, it must have been tough on Jim.
    I don't know the deal but a big part of tennis is promotion, perception and the way it looked to me Nick might as well have said this Jim guy is not bad at all but wait till you see my prize pupil.
    Wait till you see what I can accomplish.
     
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    Yep...he was treated like a RED-HEADED step child.
     
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    That sounds like a sound perception because it does depict Nick as being correct in his assessment of the two players.
     
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    One of the most beautiful things is seeing Courier and Edberg play every couple of months at a certain semi private club on the east coast. Those 2 guys are scary confident. Edberg still owns Jim though.
     
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    Andre was not playing at the level he obtained until he packed on some size and strength very fast almost Nadal like.
     
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    Still? I think their head-to-head was 6-4 in favor of Courier. Edberg won most of the early matchups, and, of course, destroyed Courier in the 1991 USO final, but Courier went on to beat Edberg in the Wimbledon SFs (1993) and 2 AO finals (1992 and 1993) (all in 4 set matches, with the two AO finals not really being that close, though the Wimbledon match was very close).
     
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    Courier lead their H2H 6-4 and beat him on all surfaces in slams (91 French, 92 Aus, 93 Aus, 93 Wimbledon -- lost 91 Aus and 91 US Open)....that's anything but ownage by Edberg.
     
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    It was. Nick knew who the more talented player was....everyone in fact knew. As such, the decision to pin highest hopes on Agassi had been made long before. Again, people are making WAY too much of this match. Nick was TRAVELING WITH AGASSI. He was the day to day coach for Andre because he recognized Agassi's talent. Courier was still gettting support from the academy and getting coaching from the academy and undoubtedly Nick (mainly second hand, through others). So it really was not a surpise to Nick in Agassi's box where he always was. It's just that it hit Courier about the conflict-of-interest in the man who was his coach (if in name only really). And, because NIck was a bit of a father-like figure, it undoubedtly hurt Courier on a personal level.
     
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