Was I supposed to flare the grommets first?

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  1. pmata814

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    I just replaced the grommets on my RDS 003. I finished and went ahead and strung it up. I had a lot of trouble with the tie off knots (I string 2-piece) and wondered if I was supposed to flare those grommets. Unfortunately I don't know how and it didn't hit me until after I had replaced them that I might need a special tool. I went ahead and strung it hoping that the knots themselves would take care of the flaring.

    Should I have flared the grommets first? If so, how? Have I ruined these grommets by not doing so?

    Thanks in advance.
     
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  2. tennisstrngdude

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    Yes. Flare first. Not likely ruined. To flare use a tool called "Flare-It."
     
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  3. Toad

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    Are there any other easy ways to flare grommets? I don't particularly want to spend $20 on a glorified c-clamp that I will use once in a blue moon.
     
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  4. tennisstrngdude

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    $20 well spent if you string for others. It does the job. Will last a lifetime. Also cheaper than ruining a set or two of string.
     
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  5. eagle

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    Agree with tennisstrngdude.

    A $20 tool will save your grommets which is a major pain to replace.

    Have you ever tried installing new grommets? You'll be cursing up and down and wished you had spent that $20 for the Flare-It. :)

    Not only will it prepare the tie-off grommets for the first string job, it can also "repair" a damaged but salvageable grommet. Again, saving you the trouble of replacing the grommets.

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  6. Lefty78

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    Not to get too far off track, but replacing grommets is fairly easy if you have an awl, a hair-dryer, and some idea what you're doing.
     
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  7. pmata814

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    I already strung up my racquet without flaring the grommets. It was a pain, but I got it done. Now I want to know...what will be the consequences of not flaring the tie off grommets? Should I cut out the string job and wait until I purchase the flare-it? Or is it not that big a deal?
     
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  8. eagle

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    I agree, but unless you have done it at least once or twice, it is not a walk in the park.

    So, given the choice of spending a minimal amount to flare the grommet vs. replacing the grommets, I'll choose the former every time. :)

    pmata814, it shouldn't be a problem unless you manage to completely destroy the tieoffs. I seriously doubt that. Flaring is NOT mandatory. If you can do the tie-offs without damaging the grommets, then you don't have to worry about flaring. YMMV.

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  9. Loco4Tennis

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    i agree with posters who say that flair-it tool is worth the money, if you string lots of racquets and/or care about your own and it lasting you a longer, when i got mine i flaired more then the tie off grommet holes in my racquet, anywhere the string makes a hard turn it got flaired, this minmizes the string damage to the grommet over the long run,
    as stated above also, the flair it tool helped me fix semi damaged grommets, worth the money IMO
     
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  10. monomakh

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    Where does one find a flare-it (or flair-it)?
     
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  11. mtommer

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    All you need to flair a grommet is a hard pointed cone of some sort. Make sure the cone does not extend past the frame one inserted. You can then press the cone into the grommet slowly and carefully to flare it, using the ground to keep the grommet from poking back out of the hole. It doesn't take much effort.
     
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  12. eagle

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    It's called Flare-it.

    I don't want to post the competing vendor site but simply do a google search and you'll find it.

    r,
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  13. Loco4Tennis

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    google this product "Flare-It Grommet Wizard" not sure why tennis warehouse does not have it
    very effective and easy tool to use
     
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  14. CHOcobo

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    whats a flared grommet?
     
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  15. C-3PO

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    Where can i get this today??

    Google doesn't seem to come up with anything related...
     
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  16. struggle

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    I've changed many grommet sets and never used a flaring tool.

    I just let the knot do the work.
     
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  17. hoodjem

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    I believe that this was already answered in post no. 2.

     
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  18. C-3PO

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    Yeah mate, but i didn't want to start another flare-it thread so figured i could ask here on how i can get the tool
     
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  19. Irvin

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    Whether or not you flare the grommets will not make is one bit easier to install the grommets. You don't flare the grommet until after they are installed. Flaring the grommets make it impossible for the grommets to come out when tensioning the mains in the corners. That protects the frame not the grommet. Also flaring the tie off grommets opens them up so they won't tear with your knots. After you tie the knots the grommets will be flared anyway. If you hold the grommets in with your thumb they will not come out while tensioning.

    EDIT: If you don't want to buy a Flare-it tool place a BB on the grommet and compress it with a C Clamp. Or get an C Clamp and epozy a Dowel Center Transfer pin to it.
     
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  20. WINZOWAR

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    If you haven't flared the grommets, thinner gauge string is a little easier in new grommets. After that, they're not as tight on the tie off holes.
     
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  21. 1HBHfanatic

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    like always, good problem solving skills,, i like the BB idea, i guess a small glass marble would work as well..

    i would how ever order one, its a tool i use more times than not
    on new and old grommets
    where ever i see a hard turn and possible string rubb :)
    its yet another specialised tool for frequent stringers
     
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  22. C-3PO

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    I would very much like to buy a flare-it tool but can't find them anywhere. Suggestions?

    a clamp and bb isn't very professional when running a shop.

    And glass marbles just about the soze of a grommet hole runs the risk of shattering under the pressure of the clamp thus damaging string that goes within.

    just wanna know how i can get a flare-it
     
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  23. 1HBHfanatic

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    i wish TW would sell this, but after all these years they still havent
    i got mine at www. atafa .com
     
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  24. C-3PO

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    I looked on the website, nothing.

    Typed flare-it, grommet tool, nothing
     
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  26. GlennK

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    Yes, and unfortunately all the sites returned from that query show out of stock. I am thinking the manufacturer went out of business.
     
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  27. C-3PO

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    Yes, thank you glennk for that... Let's just not assume that everyone is around here is stupid okay? Some actually do their homework and need a real brother to hook up

    So... Any idea?
     
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  28. illzoni

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    I've been ruminating on this and think it would be possible to make one from a trigger/bar clamp.
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    It would just require putting the appropriate flare on one clamp face. I just need to figure out what to use.
     
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  29. struggle

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    I've never bothered, I just carefully work the knot into new grommets, but why couldn't a man just take a blunt pen or pencil and work it into the grommet to flare it enough for the knot to finish the job?

    I think you folks are overthinking this issue.
     
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  30. C-3PO

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    If you've seen yonex racquets with new grommets on and compare it to to its stock form, you'll see that the know will sit a good 4mm higher.

    Giving this to a customer shows inconsistency, unprofessionalism and sloppy service. You may run a pro shop for club veterans but I have professionals who require standard, dignity and pride in work.

    Using a heat gun to soften the grommet can also damage the integrity of the frame I think.
     
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  31. C-3PO

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    I looked at a few hardware stores yesterday and found nothing of the like of what some other posters mentioned : 'dowel tip'

    Probably a cone shaped tip...

    Let me know if you found something, yeah
     
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