was ivan lendl ACTUALLY considered a bad guy back in the day?

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  1. hawk eye

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    I know what you mean but I don't believe you're either in the McEnroe corner or in the Lendl corner. I happen to sort of like both players myself, very different but both great in their own right, but couldn't help routing for Lendl a little more when he was put away like some boring, jerky east block guy who shouldn't be piling up titles in the flashy western sport of tennis. The problem I had with McEnroe in his playing days was that he seemed to think he was the only one who had the right to act like a jerk and get away with it.
    I've read Mc Enroe's book and he isn't easy on himself all the time there.
    But even there he is playing down on Ivan a little too much. To me his description about Ivan's behaviour toward journey men is coloured by his own grudge he still helds agains a guy he always thought he was superior to, but eventually was overtaken by. Probably Lendl was just teasing those guys in a good humoured way, with a bit of a nasty edge as his sarcasm sometimes had. The ones with some personality would give some smart replies an i don't believe he would have minded that. You don't "have to put up with that". What could be the consequences? Anyway, it's better than totally ingnore lesser players like Jimmy Connors seemed to have done most of his career.
     
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    Who would?

    Borg respected McEnroe as a player.

    Lendl respected McEnroe as a target.
     
  3. slice bh compliment

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    And there you have it.

    Funny, the parallels between Lendl and Pete.
    Great post, man, LOL!
     
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    believe me, Lendl and Mac were the 2 coins of the same money.One a eastern block arrogant and the other a western block cooky jerk.Different but the very same.maybe, that is why they couldn´t stand each other.
     
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    some dislike of each other among the top guys of Mac, Lendl and Connors made things very interesting, IMHO.

    None of them, Lendl included, were angels.

    Varying degrees of boorishness depending on the day and circumstances. Perhaps Lendl was the least overt about it; he just hit the ball at your head, is all.
     
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    Martina, for one, has changed her thinking a bit on that subject. Her girlfriend of some years is a former Miss USSR.
     
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    I'm really enjoying this thread, BTW. I wasn't a huge Lendl fan initially but grew to respect him a lot. His comeback win from two sets down over McEnroe in the 1984 French Open was just incredible.
     
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    I wouldn´t mind to have a former Miss USSR girlfriend, too ( even that means she´d be pretty old since there is no USSR since 1991...20 years ago)
     
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    even the dull and dark Lendl had a special charisma that no players today has...and he was considered the least charismatic of the 1980´s champions ( maybe, along Wilander)
     
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    Agreed. Lendl had a wicked sense of humor.:) Pat Cash has been whining about that shoe incident forever, he really needs to build a bridge and get over it.
     
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    I used to work the Cincy ATP (Masters). I brought the players to and from court and was in the locker room with them. Lendl was a bit of a jerk, very arrogant and did not hang out with anyone. Mac was an ass on the court as was Connors, but he had friends off court, treated the fans well and I think it helped he played doubles.

    You have to remember that there were a lot of gentlemen still playing the game at this time, so the contrast of a Lendl was jarring.
     
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    That sense of humour enerved Connors,Gerulaitis and Mc Enroe in such a flamboyant way¡¡¡.Europeans and Latins were OK or at least didn´t have strong bad feelings, except for Panatta and Noah ( and later on Becker)
     
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    Bud Collins is overrated and imo talks a lot of rubbish from time to time.
     
  16. dominikk1985

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    among other things he had the reputation of being a headhunter. if the opponent came in with a crappy approach he would hit a monster forehand right at his head.

    like this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xAPwx3z950


    or this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwD2XuhqLg8&feature=related
     
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    look how hard that second FH was. If he played now and had modern equipment and strokes I think he could easily exceed 100 MPH on his FH.
     

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