Was the Edberg serve a "real" kick serve?

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  1. SirSweetSpot

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    Just because he tosses the ball above his head, hits with an ebh grip, cocks his wrist, etc., does this make it a kicker? The more you analyze his contact point, it seems to be a flat serve with a topspin component, yet he didn't brush the ball per se.
    Edberg did enjoy nice net clearance, opposed to say Sampras who skimmed the net with a more traditional flat service. Can someone more knowledgeable enlighten me to how the racquet face is making contact with the ball?
     
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  2. hoodjem

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    Which one: first or second serve?
     
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  3. SirSweetSpot

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    First...but it appears the second serve has the same racquethead/ball relationship.
     
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    the more i analyze this post, the further i shove the pencil into my neck.
     
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    Wasn't his serve grip continental, not "ebh"?
     
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    I've wondered the same thing as OP and even compared Edberg's serve to Sampras. With both, their second serve seems like a slightly slower version of their first serve, and it's like they hit the same serve all the time (to different spots of course). With Rafter and Ljubicic, I can really tell it's a kick serve, the serve travels a bit slower, really explodes up off the court. Not so much with Sampras and Edberg.

    But on another thread, numerous people said they saw Edberg play in person and his serve kicked like crazy. Still, you watch a video like this one, and it's not like I see either guy having to step in to take a super kicky serve on the rise. They're hitting the returns more or less at manageable heights.
     
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  8. Wow is it me or does Edberg MAJORLY foot fault in the replay of match point. At 8:14.
     
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  9. 35ft6

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    ^ He really might have. He did get called for a lot of foot faults.
     
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    I know all about the Edberg serve, and I've seen it up close in person...but I'm not sure what you're asking. Define "real" kick? Edberg could hit both a true American Twist and various topspin serves.....but if you tell me what you actually mean by "real" I can comment more...
     
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    Just look how it jumps off the court... and the height when the receiver strikes it.
     
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    A "real" kick serve?, when I saw him play at court level right next to the service box on a few occassions, the damn thing exploded off the hard courts at Indy and the returners couldn't get over the thing (even the two handers in the add) and had a hard time getting it down below the net so as to allow his first volley to be that much more penetrating. The thing that always made it stand out was I would often see what would look like an excellent kick serve from many of the pros but the returner would step in, take it on the rise and neutralize it making it look easy but not Edberg's, even the best returners had trouble getting over and thru that thing.
     
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    Edberg used to play in Perth on the grass courts at Royal Kings Park Tennis Club in The West Australian Open a week prior to the Australian Open at Kooyong. This was mid 80s, I think 85, 86 before The Australian Open switched from Kooyong's grass to Flinders Park's rebound ace.

    One year, he played doubles with Yannick Noah and Edberg was kicking the ball over!?! the outstretched racquets of the returners.There was no hitting through that thing unless you could step in and read the bounce early. Because of the wind, the movement in the air he was getting was phenomenal.I remember Noah was goading Stefan to put even more spin, work on the ball. Edberg's kick serve was moving a lot that day and the bounce and movement he got off a grass court was quite remarkable !
    In doubles it was rougher because he was even more relaxed and slowed it down a little more so he got right in tight to the net. With Yannick Noah at the net lobbing the net man was NOT a great option.
    It was a real kicker, he brushed over and out, and the ball fizzed off the court, giving his opponents real grief!
     
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    Well, I have seen matches were Edberg's serve was relentlessly returned for winners, so I am not sure if the really good returners had that many problems with his serve.

    Regarding his "kicker", yes, it had serious action on it. The weakness of the thing was that he'd hit it all the time and his serving became a little predictible, especially towards the end of his carreer.
     
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    Great Idea for a thread ...... Whats next?

    Does F. Gonzalez have a big forehand

    Can Roddick serve quickly

    ETC ETC .... Add your own ideas folks

    Now hurry up and pass me the pencil and allow me to insert it into my neck when youre done with it mental midget. Thanks
     
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    Does Nadal hit with "real" topspin ?
     
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