wat kind of person is this?

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  1. noobplayer

    noobplayer Semi-Pro

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    i once played a player who would do nothing but stnad at the baseline and just hit the ball a little past the net and have me run all the way from the baseline up to the net. he did this the entire game and needless to say i lost. no matter where i placed the ball he managed to hit it back(some pretty good shots) or just drop it over the net. but this guy was really crappy. he even blasted my ball over a wall when he was passing me the ball to serve.
     
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  2. looseswing

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    Probably a pusher, but I am wondering, if he was putting up droppers all day long why didn't you just charge the net????
     
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  3. noobplayer

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    forgot to say his serves were really weak too and i had to run up to the net to get it over. thats when i hit it to the baseline and he either hit it really good or he hit it near the net and i sent it back then he hit it good. other times would be im at baseline and he hits at softly at the net. its like playing nothing theres no consistency...or maybe i just suck really bad?
     
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  4. noobplayer

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    wow fast response, well i did rush the net but too powerful racqet and i hit it out or hit it back and he manages to hit it all the way to baseline when im up at the net.
     
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  5. noobplayer

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    not really baseline more like where i am not...well this was like 5 months ago when i was still a noob but since then ive taken lessons etc and switched to a better racquet, etc. but this guy was a real noob, he even held his racquet funny and had undeveloped strokes and just stood there a lot.
     
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  6. MTChong

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    It really seems like you are a noob player and have not gained a comfortable feel for the court and movement yet; you see a ball and are slow to respond. Also, in the end, he beat you; read Winning Ugly by Brad Gilbert.
     
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  7. D-man

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    Sounds like his strategy was to take away your rythm and force you into an area of the court you weren’t comfortable with... and it worked! :)

    Try learning to put away short balls, or at least put more pressure on, learning to volley well, add a lot of variety (eg, return dropshots followed by lobs), and learn to disguise what direction you are hitting in.
     
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  8. snoflewis

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    that sounds about right. if he made you run to the net every serve and after every groundstroke, it probably means that you don't know how to adjust to your opponents. if he's consistently tapping serves...shouldnt you stand a couple feet from the service line rather than back at the baseline?

    it really seems that you are slow to respond to the ball...because you should have an idea of where the ball is gonna land as soon as the ball leaves your partner's racket...and if you're running hard to the ball, you're obviously not reacting fast enough, unless he's hitting an amazing dropshot which doesn't sound like the case. and even though you say he's a bad player, it seems like he's better than you because he knows what to do (sort of) and you obviously dont. i mean, im pretty sure you have more potential than he does, since it sounds like you have an idea of where you should be on the court...but that's not always enough if you don't know how to use that to your advantage.
     
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  9. Silentgunz

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    he stood at the baseline all game ?? did u make him run any ?
     
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  10. andyroddick's mojo

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    noob player, are you ranked in hawaii? i'm not, but i play 3.5 18's for team tennis, lemme know if you do tournaments or stuff. btw, if his dropshots are really good that's hard to counter, but if he just dinks it to the net, which forces you to come up, then that should be an easy putaway. if his serves are weak, you should be able to hit it hard back. play consistent, and just beat him with angles and spins.
     
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  11. TennsDog

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    I would suggest in that case to drop shot back. Even if he was able to chase down things at the baseline, that doesn't mean he was good at moving forward into the court. Odds are you would win most points if you were both at net. One thing I like to do is hit an intentionally not-so-good drop shot to force them to chase it down, then hit a lob immediately (repeat as necessary. I've done it 4x in a row before. Good fun). It doesn't sound like they would have to be very good drop shots or lobs for it to work against this guy.

    But on a more basic level, it sounds like you need to work a lot on court movement, court awareness, and consistancy.
     
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  12. noobplayer

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    nope i dont play jtt in hawaii. only 1 person on my team plays jtt and hes matthew tavares. think he plays boys 16 and ranked top 10 i think
     
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  13. noobplayer

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    the guy i played served ball close to the net and only had pretty much drop shots and its too close to the net for me to stroke it over and ya sometimes i was late getting to the ball but the person i played cant even maintain a rally....so im still the noobier player?
     
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  14. LuckyR

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    So what's your question? You played him we didn't.
     
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  15. decroo15

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    That seems the logical thing to do in the situation.
     
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  16. MTChong

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    You lost - and a loss is a loss. If you're not even at the point of being able to recognize where the ball is, then you can't say you're better if he's winning because of that.

    Also, it's nigh physically impossible for him to serve the ball so close to the net and have it be so close for you to stroke it over because it would either be too high, or it'd have to be hit with more depth for it to get right over in which case, you should still have an easy shot.

    And honestly, it seems like your "noobiness" is showing; you keep trying to justify why you lost, but in the end, you lost and we already told you why you lost; he beat you because you can't handle what he has so in terms of that - he is better than you. And again, I suggest that you read "Winning Ugly" by Brad Gilbert.
     
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  17. EliteNinja

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    How is your approach shot and volley?

    If you're just pushing the ball back like your opponent and less consistently, you cannot hope to beat your opponent.

    Take the offense, hit a solid approach shot off his short balls into a corner (and for Pete's sakes keep the ball low so he can't lob you), then hit a finishing volley.
     
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  18. noobplayer

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    well he didnt "serve" it over...it was more like a volleyball serve thing where he tossed the ball and just hit the ball lightly over....
     
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  19. noobplayer

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    oh ya and stop with the comments alrdy...ya i am a noob player w/e....i would like to see how u would play against someone who had no pace and seemed like he was just tapping the ball over and doing nothing....
     
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  20. volleyman

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    Ok, from what I can tell, you were playing a guy who's basic strategy was to use a drop shot to bring you into the net, and then lob over your head. If these guys are good, they are a pain in the ass.

    However, they are beatable. You have to think about what they're doing to you, and how you can neutralize it.

    This appears to be where you fell short. For example - you said his serves barely patty-caked over the net with no pace, forcing you to sprint in from the baseline. What was he doing to you? Forcing you to scramble to get to the ball, and causing you to make errors and give him easy shots because you were hitting on the dead run.

    The solution? Since you can legally stand anywhere to return serve (although the ball must bounce before you hit your return), set up to return from well inside the baseline. Keep moving in until you can get to that pattycake serve with enough time to set up and hit a good shot.

    The same thinking applies to the rest of his game. If all he has are drop shots and lobs, then after serving or hitting a stroke, you move well inside the baseline. That puts you in much better position to get to the drop shot in time to set up for a good stroke, and if he lobs, you have plenty of time to get back or move forward for an overhead.

    Of course, once you get to the drop shot you still have to execute, but that's a function of practice. However, back in the tactical arena, if you're at a drop shot in time, you have lots of options:

    1) Drop shot him back and wait at the net to put away his reply, if he gets to it.

    2) Hit a sharp angle out wide, then move back towards the service and towards the side you hit to, to position yourself to cut off the floater or chase down the lob - if he gets to it and puts the ball back in play. You don't have to crush this shot - the placement and angle will do most of the work.

    3) Hammer the ball to the open court for a winner.

    It may take a while for#3 to come around, technique-wise, as generating pace off a nothing ball near the net and keeping it in bounds takes a certain amount of experience and skill.

    However, once your technique comes around, so long as you keep thinking on court, you'll start smoking guys like this one.
     
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  21. Jonny S&V

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    Give him a taste of his own medicine, drop and lob him, a good way of tiring out your opponents for later in the match :mrgreen: .
     
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  22. ucd_ace

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    Sounds like he's a player that didn't think you could 1) run or 2) volley.
     
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  23. Ronnie7

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    Don't dropshot back. It sounds like you beat yourself. Most people on this website drool when a crappy shot is hit shallow. Take that **** on the rise and slam it down at an angle.

    Also, not trying to be a pr*ck, but are you fat/slow? A predictable dropshot shouldn't be too hard to get to.
     
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  24. FuriousYellow

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    Where are you standing when he's serving? If you're behind the baseline, try moving in a few steps inside the baseline. This will give you more time and put more pressure on him.

    To add on to what volleyman said, if he's just dinking his serve in, change the direction of the ball. I'm not talking about trying to smack the crap out it for a winner like you're Agassi. I mean just change the direction 90 degrees parallel to the sideline. Don't aim for the sideline, aim parallel 2-3 feet inside the sideline and well into the service box. Get him on the run immediately. Don't wait behind the baseline for the serve to come to you. His weak serve is your opportunity to take control of the point.
     
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  25. Rod_Laver_Legend

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    That's because he doesn't throw the ball high enough. If anything that is like 10x easier to return than a normal serve. If your better than him you should be able to pounce on these and smash them away.
     
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  26. MTChong

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    Well to be honest here, though this advice is going to be good in the long run, were I you, I would not jump to try it all right away. After all, you are a beginner and you need to solidy your fundamentals. I don't even think you can employ all of the things that the people have requested - just spend more time on the court, two, maybe three, hours a day and you'll notice gains real quickly. Also, while on the court, make sure to be focused 100% all the time and consciously think about form and how you're doing everything; it'll help you improve much faster than just going out there and senselessly hitting for two to three hours.
     
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