WB Comments on Ltr to US Tennis Industry-PART I

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  1. BSPE84

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    Wow TCF! I always respected your opinion, but if you really think that then you should get on your knees and apologize to the massage therapist and maybe also that kid Jan Silva's dad. Otherwise, I find this to be sheer hypocrisy on your part.
     
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    As an "insider", why can't you and the other "insiders" fix the state of American tennis?
    Please don't give us the excuse of "we have no super athletic kids in tennis".

    Do you consider Michael Chang a "freak athlete"?, I don't think so.
     
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    "To implement USTAPD philosophy at the NTC"

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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    It is just a mess from the top all the way down. Too bad the USTA talked the ITF into eliminating all the summer ITF tournaments or we could have a real system in place at least for the summer.
     
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    At least they are posting this job and not appointing someone to the position who has never developed a kid from the ground up. I hope they find the right person and many people get to decide on who gets the job.
     
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    Did you ever think by the time Brads kid was 16 he would be on the list of every top college and they would be sending him emails and letters every few days also they are showing great interest ? BTW these are not d2 schools.
     
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    I dont know how he would lose to a top 16 year he is to busy playing event where they play him against top D1 players ,, thats not ducking thats going after bigger game to challenge yourself.
     
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    In my view, and I am repeating myself, tennis is not getting the elite athletes. I attended 16 yr old zonals in St Louie a few years back. The starting 5 on my high school basketball team in the 60's had more athleticism that the top 5 players at zonals. That is what I see. I go to HS football games. The hs won or finished runner up is states in tennis 3 of the last 5 years. None of the kids had anywhere near the athletic talent of the skill players on the football team, which is not a very good team. I'm including my own kids, not eilte athletes- top 5 in section in tennis. If the top athletes in the school played tennis they wouldn't have been able to make the hs team.
     
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    BSPE84 you have known DB a long time , you have seen him in person many times , you understand our goals ,would you play him in the 16's at this time.

    Maybe you could shed some light on the subject for TCF since you have seen and know DB in person.
     
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    YOU PROVE TO MYSELF AND THE BOARD VERY QUICKLEY YOU HAVE NOT A REAL CLUE ON DEVELOPMENT PLAIN AND SIMPLE AND OVER ALL THATS TO BAD FOR YOUR DAUGHTER .
     
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    Brad you are in a tough situation here. If Deit wins the Orange bowl people will say it means nothing he played juniors. T.C.F is right if the goal is playing pro start now. Go play the futures and challengers now.Why even waste any more time in the juniors.If college is out of the picture he needs to go after it now. Why waste time now debating which junior tournament.Go ahead and do it every day hes not out there grinding with the big boys is another day hes getting behind if pro tennis is 100% the only option.
     
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    Not sure that is solid advice.

    Many say Donald Young started playing pro level too soon and got used to losing.

    It took him many years to recover from his initial failed pro endeavors.

    If Deiton has more physical development to do, why should he rush to play pro events as a 16 year old?
     
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    Why wait???? Deit and Donald are two totally different animals .Size isnt the issue with Deit.Why not continue to develop out in the trenches. Deit needs to go for it!!! If Deit was my son we would play the satellites and challengers and keep his amatuer status so he will always have the option of going to college. I honestly think college would be great for Deits development.
     
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    Once again you show u understand nothing about development , you say in one breathe you need to be top ITF , win Jr slams , now its go for it , choose your position and I tell u that for your kids sake , we play where we want to and are asked to .

    Once again when you have a player who is far from done growing you have to show lots of patients at the same time you keep him challenged lest you start stacking injurys "this I have said over and over " so did the soccer article "protect the investment" .

    Your lashing out now because DB showed you were a fool when it came to predicting his future D2 and now he has what you only can dream for your daughter, lots of top colleges D1 wanting him at 16 .

    We know our goals we have our milestone and one thing we do is problem solve not just spit out information,,

    My challenge to you is put up a video of this athletic freak something tells me won't look nothing like DB's sister when she was 7yr old.

    Post a video prove your legit !
     
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    Or perhaps he would never have been a great player and it was a good idea to go pro and get publicity earlier and make money from sponsorships while he was hot. I think he has made enough money already which can last him a lifetime if invested properly.
     
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    Perhaps. He did make it to 30-something, so it seems he has the potential to be a moneymaking pro.

    I've seen Donald play a lot since we live in the same town and I had some connection with his coaching team.

    A lot of his problem seems to be between his ears. But that is just my humble non-tennis-insider opinion.

    I just think throwing him out there so young was not a great idea.
     
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    Here is it again..the Baughman corollary to Godwin's law...
     
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    Actually, seems to me you’re the one who is being a contradiction right now. You banged on those guys mercilessly for their outrageous goals and unconventional ways with respect to training and tournament schedule. Yet here you are making an outrageous claim about your 8-year old destroying the 12s national champion, thanks to her freakish talent and your unconventional coaching skills - “the perfect storm”.

    Regardless if it’s true or not, Brad claiming DB is too good for the OB16s is less outrageous to me than you claiming your girl destroying AD at 8. I'm not smart enough to know how DB would do at the OB, but I would bet money if your girl played AD today.
     
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    Brad, your boy is no question very talented, and me thinks your way is just as good as any. If you are firmly committed to continue the journey, then I don't see how one tournament will make or break the deal, especially if he will be aging up in a few months.

    I talked to your boy at length a couple of months ago, and I am now convinced that this is HIS deal. And I pleasanly learned that HE does have a plausible plan B for the future that has nothing to do with becoming and engineer or marine biologist.

    The odds are still obviously not in your favor or anyone else on the Socal junior circuit right now. Best of luck to you guys.
     
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    Nonsense. If Deiton won the Orange Bowl, everyone would be impressed. TCF has said 100 times that winning the Orange Bowl, among other things, is exactly what the top pros did at this age.
     
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    ClarkC how long have you been on here ? GA is correct but I would agree with everyone else winning the Orange Bowl 16 or 18's is not that impressive to myself its a junior tournament on a tennis court that messures the same as other court we have "competed" on , It wont make any difference on a pro career !
     
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    Good grief. What is up with the 'my kid is better than yours' constant bickering. You guys need to grow up, seriously.

    On the other hand, I really like Wayne Bryan's commentary. Seems to be a lot of good ideas there. I liked the system back in the late 80's and early 90's too.
     
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    Until the money improves in Tennis the best athletes in the US will continue to play other sports. The Dallas Cowboys pay more in salary to their players then all ATP tennis tournaments combined.



     
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    Tennis is not getting the best athletes in terms of speed and strength, but you don't know that any of these football players and basketball players would be better tennis players than the ones we have. There is a lot more to tennis than speed and strength. Roger Federer is nowhere near the athlete in "athleticism" as Michael Jordan, but that doesn't mean that if Michael Jordan was trained for years that he would be as good as Federer (he wasn't that great at hitting a baseball). Nowadays many kids have spent as much time specializing in their sports as junior tennis players have.

    Tennis is almost unique in that to be at the top you need the movement of soccer or basketball, the hand-eye coordination of a top golfer, the endurance of a long distance runner, and the mental mindset to play a one-on-one sport versus a team sport.



    If the athleticism of players of other sports would overwhelm tennis players, Charles Barkley would be one of the world's great golfers.
     
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    TCF, I've taken my boy to his fair share of nationals in the last six years, and he also practiced regularly with similar girls while he was at Carson. So no, I didn't express my opinion because I drank anybody's KA. But guess what, I agree with you: USTA Girls 12 is crappy tennis. But guess what again - any of the top 12s USTA, even with some of their extreme grips and bad serves (doesn't have to be AD), can and will destroy any 8 year old including your daughter. If you disagree, then I respectfully suggest you play your girl in a little L3 close to you then let us know how she does... and if you are going to put up a reason why that is not possible, it would then also be classy for you to stop banging on Brad for "ducking" in the meantime. Fair enough?
     
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    The 12's matter big time to TCF I will prove it , who did DB lose to at Eddie Hurr and who continued to bring it up over and over ? yes TCF ,he used it to say DB couldn't beat a kid his age so he was going to a D2 school !

    Now that DB has whatever school he wants at 16 TCF knows he has failed big time on predicting the future on DB and is in fear of DB doing it again , which he will!

    TCF my daughter at 7 would have smoked your girl and I will put up video of her competing at that age ,Why dont you put of video of your girl and will let the TW board decide who they would put their money on what do you think ? what does the board think ?

    If TCF doesnt take the challenge we can all just sit back and have a good friendly laugh at TCF's backbone and small christmas ornaments ,I will start now HAHAHAHA "what is that down there" HAHAHA,, Its all good TCF
     
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    I agree 100%

    It's been a common excuse that people "insiders" use for not having any Americans at the top of professional tennis.

    Tennis is a unique sport that requires more than just speed and strength.
     
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    kobe and Lebron would fail at this sport big time..
     
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    It’s so true. Obviously athletic abilities optimal for basketball, football, soccer, or baseball are completely different from what you would need for tennis. There is no impact on US tennis for all of these athletics picking other sports before tennis.
     
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    I think there is some truth to this theory, but not in the most obvious way. Yes, the Kobes and Lebrons would not make good tennis player. Neither would most professional football players and basketball players. Thing is most of these sports to make it in the pros you have to have exceptional ability at just one or two different things. For instance, in baseball, if you can throw the ball you can be a pitcher even if you cannot run and your eye-had isn't worth ****, and if you can hit the ball but can't run we can stash you at catcher or first base. So, many of the players maybe in the top 99.999% of a particular ability, but not so much on other areas. Andy Roddick kicked Drew Brees ass in tennis when they were kids, and Brees admits he just didn't have the skills for tennis.

    In Tennis, you really need to be in top 95% in eye-hand, foot-work, aerobic, throwing, etc.

    I think where tennis loses potential athletes is players who are not really good enough for those other sports - they are not 99,999% or have the right size - maybe they're 5'10 and focus on basketball. Never play past high school. Maybe they were 6'0 and was an option QB in college, but at the end of the day, did not have an NFL arm, and like 90% of quarterbacks, didn't get drafted. Maybe both these guys they were better suited to tennis. So, it's not that tennis loses athletes to players who make it professionally it in other sports, they lose athletes to players who choose other sports and don't make it in the pros, but might have had better potential as tennis players.
     
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    In today's pro tennis game exceptional athleticim is a must. There are very few American juniors who have it. Lebron Kobe are 2 of the best in the world athletically. My kid who was top 5 in the section now says, looking back, he never would have been that high if tennis attracted better athletes. I am shocked that the top 10 in our
    section are not better athletes.
     
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    JM, do you remember Josh R? Think he was #1 in 10s and 12s, real good player with nice one-hand backhand. Trained at Carson for a while then wanted to play football... I hear he's a great quarterback now and may get recruited by a big-time program.
     
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    You seem reluctant to present evidence of how good your girl actually is (video).. and that will ofcourse make some people wonder if what you postulate is true..
    I´ll repeat my offer: We are in Florida in december - how about a practice match between your girl and my boy?

    My boy (10) holds up pretty well in boys u12 in our neck of the woods (small country) but I am not sure at all that he would beat the best US u12 girl.

    It could serve as a wake up call for all of us (you, I, my boy - and, depending on how you present the match to your girl, to her too) - besides providing some substance to your claims.
    Let them play and we will publicise the result here. We are there for a tournament and could use the practice - what do you say?
     
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    ^While you are at it, make sure to get a court right next to them, so you two can play a couple of sets. Even better, play for the usual. A dollar a set, both courts.

    Tape it, script it and pitch it to a reality show exec! Everybody wins.

    Here's the soundtrack for you.
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    They are great athletes and great basketball players but I can't see them beeing best tennis players. Best basketball players who would have made it as tennis players ? Give me A medium size point guard who likes to shoot. A Derrick rose, Steve Nash, Ricky Rubio(never mind, he's Spanish).

    Same thing with base ball Forget about you batting champs and Cy young winners, get me a shortstop who steals bases and hit .299.
     
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    The Senator from Florida, right?
     
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    Yeah, that's the guy...Ricky Rubio...
     
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    That was the point.
     

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