We can all forget about Novak challenging Nadal at RG

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  1. miyagi

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    As the title says I was one of the people who said based on Hamburg and RG last year that Djoko could challenge Rafa at RG.

    I was wrong, completely wrong. His performance today was terrible.

    I do not understand what has happened to Novak he seems to be so low at the moment I doubt he will manage to hold onto his 3rd place ranking if he continues to play like this.

    What a shame!
     
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  2. SourStraws

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    Agree 100%..... If anyone was watching Davis Cup yesterday.... The commentators said as far as the top 4 is concerned.... The top four are Fed, Rafa, Roddick, and Murray.... Wat do you guys think??

    Edit: The commentators of the Tennis Channel

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  3. Giggs The Red Devil

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    Take it easy. I don’t think he tried his best, he’s more concerned about IW (he’s the defending champion). Let’s wait to see how he’ll do in Monte Carlo and Rome.
     
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  4. miyagi

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    I dont agree Roddick is in the top 4, I dont think Roddick at his best can win a slam....I do think Nadal, Fed, Murray, Djoko can...

    Why wouldn't he try his best? In anycase beating Ferrer is a must if he wants to challenge Nadal as we know Ferrer is a least two levels below Nadal
     
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    I knew haters will be in a hurry to start with silly threads like this one.
    Today is not a measure how Novak can play on clay. This is in the middle of the hardcourt season, Serbian team could not get enough training time in Spain due to a bad weather which shows today in both Djokovic and Tipsarevic play, the match was postponed and schedule was screwed up due to a weather and IMO unacceptable bad organization, Novak might need to play doubles today as well, he was obviously not in the match because this was already lost cause considering the opponent and circumstances, his mind is already in IW, ...
     
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  6. gj011

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    LOL. Those commentators are fools.

    Novak gets no respect or recognition. Ridiculous.
     
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  7. Clydey2times

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    So according to the Tennis Channel, Roddick is currently the 3rd best player in the world? Not Djokovic or Murray, but Roddick?

    Bunch of morons.
     
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    I think he had breathing problems :confused:
     
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    The only thing stupider than talking someone up, is talking them down at their first mistake. You sir, are an idiot. We have seen that Novak can challenge Nadal on clay, and today changes nothing.
     
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    Ferrer at his best is very tough on clay. See Barcelona match with Nadal last year. I still think Djokovic is the toughest matchup for Nadal on clay. Maybe not the toughest matchup for Ferrer though.
     
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    Nole just geniunely looks tired all the time. He never used to hit shots far out a metre past the baseline. As Davis Cup now carries points it seems that he could have at least gotten a set of Ferrer. I don't think Nole is going to defend his IW title in fact I had a lot of faith in him last year but this year, I think he is going to slip so Roddick might just rise as well as Murray of course. Djoko just does't look like a happy puppy on court. I still like him, he's got the talent, maybe he's just pacing himself.
     
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  12. thejoe

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    Bingo.

    10 char.
     
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  13. Frankauc

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    it will still be a Roger-Nadal RG final again (i hope so).

    But maybe Monfils or Verdasco will make it too the final if they dont play nadal
     
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    Hater? Please tell me where there is ANY hate in my post!

    I'm a djoko fan....I would dearly like to see him do better but whatever reason he doesn't have it in him at the moment.

    If he loses to Ferrer in straights he is NOT touching Nadal fact...for whoever said Ferrer is tough opponent on clay yes he may well be...but that is a tough opponent that has never been to RG and is not likely too.

    My point is RG not clay in general and if you lot saw something I didn't then please enlihten me because right now I do not see a cats in hells chance of Novak even competing with Nadal at RG let alone beating him.
     
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  15. miyagi

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    First mistake? Have you been watching Novak play this season? There is something a miss with him for sure....

    We saw Blake challenge (and Beat) Nadal on hards but that is less likely now due to Nadal improving and Blake staying still....the same goes for Djoko I think he was playing better last year and I dont see how he is going to turn this aound.
     
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    LOL. The "commentators" you guys are referring to = JUSTIN GIMELSTOB, who made the "#4 in the world" comment on TTC yesterday.

    You guys are getting all upset about something coming from a guy who pretty much doesnt think before speaking.
     
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    No surprise. Gimelstobb is an idiot and should be fired. Worst tennis commentator of all-time.
     
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    he isn't an announcer, he is a commentator, huge difference.

    Gimelstob is great, go Justin Gimelstob!
     
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  19. ESP#1

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    Wouldn't put to much stock into what the commentators at the tennis channel say. Novak isn't going anywhere, hats off to Ferrer who is coming back from a slump, he played great today
     
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  20. tintin

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    Roddick?:shock::lol:
    Roddick lost a set to Hewitt who almost had his hip replaced and he's 4th?:roll:

    Djokovic's excuse that he had no time to practice on clay is pathetic considering he had the same amount of time as did Ferrer:roll:
     
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    Djokovic was never going to challenge Nadal on clay. You shouldnt have needed to have seen todays match to know this. Djokovic is a good clay courter but he isnt in Nadal's league on the surface. I dont know why people are so surprised Ferrer beat him. Ferrer was a top 5 player only a year ago whose best surface is clay. Djokovic's best surface is not clay. By all logic Ferrer would have had a good shot.
     
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  22. NamRanger

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    Roddick is 17-3 while Novak is 14-4. Roddick has gotten farther in the only current slam, and has made it to the semis or finals of all the tournaments he has lost in (Australian, S&P, Doha). Meanwhile, Novak hasn't exactly been a consistent player so far.



    I wouldn't go as far as to say Roddick is the better player than Novak, but he certainly is displaying a far higher level of consistency.
     
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  23. NamRanger

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    Well considering Djokovic clobbered Ferrer the last 2 times they played, I think he was a big favorite coming into this match.
     
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  24. Cloudy

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    he has never beaten him on clay
     
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  25. Frankauc

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    and i think ferrer best surface is hard courts
     
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    Or fast clay. It seems Spain picked some pretty fast clay courts that bounce high. I guess that is what he likes.
     
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    They've played one match on clay, and the most recent matches were Djokovic clobbering Ferrer. Also, with Ferrer's recent form, you'd think Djokovic should have won this match easily.
     
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  28. NamRanger

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    That is what both Nadal and Ferrer like. Plus, it still allows them to somewhat effectively use Verdasco and Lopez (both who are fast surface players). The fast clay allows Nadal to put tremendous spin and yank his opponents around, while it allows Ferrer to attack with his FH easier, while still maintaining a slower speed so that he can defend well.
     
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    I agree with both of your comments and have been saying all along that Djokovic is not doing particularly well. Dubai was a fluke. Any one of the players who were out could have taken him. Thats Federer, Nadal, Murray and Verdasco. And Ferrer did play well but no excuse for Djokovic. He is not going anywhere. Just does not look like the player of last year.
     
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    2 actually ok 1 was in 2004 but Ferrer wasn't exactly wonderful then either.

    and counting today their head to head is 4-4 overall. Novak has never beaten Ferru on clay and Ferru has beaten Djokovic on hard once.

    I would say the clay this tie is played on though looks quite slow to me. It isn't fast clay.
     
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  31. TheTruth

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    Ebbs and flows. Djokovic will be back. He will turn this thing around. He's too talented not to, and he believes in himself. He may be going through rough times, but I doubt what Justin said has any relevance whatsoever.
     
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  32. Morrissey

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    We'll find out tomorrow if Joker can challenge Nadal on clay. Nadal looked impressive today while Joker looked terrible vs Ferrer who he beat a week back in Dubai. I smell a rout. But let's see what happens. Tomorrow would be a good indicator of the clay season ahead.
     
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    What if Novak straightsets Rafa tomorrow? There will be a new thread entitled: Djokovic has already won RG, congrats! and another one saying: Djokovic will be #1 in 2 months :D
     
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    That is like saying what if a pink bunny flies on court with Paris Hilton on his back and eats the Bryans brothers later today.
     
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    I know, that's why it's funny :lol:
     
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  36. Ripster

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    Nadal is the obvious huge favourite but it's way too early to make a statement like this. Save it for the clay court season.
     
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    It is not like too early to make a statement like this. I would say it is more like it is pointless to make a statement like this. Such a statement is more appropriate when it is some new or confirmed revelation. Djokovic, and pretty much anyone else now that the Federer threat to Nadal on clay seemed to be extinguished for good in 2008, not being a threat to Nadal on clay is neither of these things. It is something that was already well known and not needing a topic to illustrate.
     
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    The only threat to Nadal at RG is if Davydenko decided to stop choking, or if Nalbandian decided to pull an Agassi and get into shape. I don't think either is gonna happen any time soon.
     
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    Yeah I agree an extremely fit Nalbandian and a suddently mentally steely Davydenko would be Nadal's biggest threats on clay. It would actually be nice to see as I like to see a good contest and some suspense even with my favorites, but as you said it seems unlikely. Game wise, eliiminating the other factors, those two have the best tools to challenge Nadal on clay though.
     
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  40. VivalaVida

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    :lol: so true. there will be a new thread in every corner about djokovic that will say "Djokovic the new GOAT?" "Djokovic better than nadal and federer" :lol:
     
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    what about Tsonga he might be good he hasn't actually had a clay season yet cos he is always injured.
     
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    Naa Tsonga dont have the consistancy to hit long rallies....he is a hard court player and of late he has struggled with nadal on hard no way he beats Nadal on clay.
     
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    We have no idea what he can do on clay though. I understand he was brought up playing on clay. He might be crap but he could be the goat.
     
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    I think we can safely say Tsonga is not the GOAT on clay.

    Either way what I am saying is his playing style is not ideal for clay.
     
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    So true i wish there more Novak fans like you everyone here is so biased :p
     
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  46. Safinator_1

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    Whos Gimelstobb? LOL
     
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    I wish the same could have been said for Safin


    Davydenko was just out with injury, and he sometimes gets far in slams.
     
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    Ferrer is pretty good. but he wiped his you know what with Novak today. Novak is NO threat to Nadal. Only person with a slight chance is Del potro or Ferrero.
     
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    Del Potro is one dimensional I can't believe he would trouble Rafa on clay.
     
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  50. miniRafa386

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    as of right now i think its nadal, federer, murray, tsonga, verdasco and monfils who are playing overall the best tennis this season. for top 4, nadal fed murray and verdasco
     
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