weight of wood rackets?

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  1. dominikk1985

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    Does anyone know the weight of wood rackets that guys like laver, borg... used? I guess they where quite heavy although I'm sure they got lighter as technolgy progressed (I asume borgs racket was already lighter than tildens racket).
     
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  2. Rysty

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    Borg's Donnay, the black one, was 415 grams /about 14,5 oz.

    It was not all wood, it had some layers of fiberglass or something, since an all wood frame couldn't take his 80 pounds string tension.
     
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  3. dominikk1985

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    thanks. that's not that much more heavy than the pros today (with lead usually 330-370g).

    do you know the weight of lavers or even tildens racket? where they much heavier?
     
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  4. borg number one

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    Borg's racquets were extremely heavy. They had to fortify his racquets with extra wood because of the tension. The 14.5 ounces cited was without the extra fortification used (extra ply of wood used in his Donnay Borg Pros for example). He strung them at about 80-81 lbs, so his frames required the extra fortification. So, his frames were very heavy and customized. I recall reading someone mentioning that with the customization, his racquets were 16+ ounces. See this info below.

    See info on Bjorn Borg's frames here:

    http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/borg-anecdote-jose.html

     
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  5. Lefty78

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    Wood racquets have a considerable amount of weight in the throat, much more than modern graphite racquets. What this means is that while the overall weight of racquets guys like Laver used was quite high, the swingweight was actually less than what most of the top pros use today.
     
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  6. Don't Let It Bounce

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    I just did a search and was unable to find where I read this, but I distinctly recall seeing a list of some classic racquet weights and Laver's, at 15+ oz (almost a pound!) being the heaviest. I do not recall whether Budge was on that list, and I have read on these boards that Budge had a legendarily heavy racquet.
     
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  7. SFrazeur

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    I do not know, but I read in Tilden's book "The Art of Lawn Tennis" that he recommended a grip size between 5-1/4 and 5-3/8 with a weight of 13-1/2oz to 14-1/2oz. Oh, and no child size racquets, it "weakens the wrist and does not aid the child in learning strokes. Start a child, boy or girl, with a full-sized racquet of at lest 13 ounces."

    -SF
     
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  8. NLBwell

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    Just a note:
    You could buy your wood rackets in Light, Medium, or Heavy weights.
     
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  9. suppawat

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    My Donnay Borg Pro and All Wood never reach 400g

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  10. corners

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    Laver wrote that he played at 14 ounces in his autobiography. That's about the same as Sampras, which is impressive as he was a much smaller man and had dynamic and "whippy" strokes (for his day). He also wrote that Pancho Gonzales went down to 13 ounces, which was considered quite lite for that era, in his late-30s into his 40s.

    I have a collection of Wilson woodies that vary between 12.5 and 14.5 ounces. All are "light" or "medium" frames. I don't have any "heavies". Even the light version of the elegant Lady Advantage weighs 12.7 ounces. Players were tough (or swung slow) in those days. But as Lefty wrote above, these heft sticks had relatively low swingweights: My 12.5 ouncers swing at 330-340, the 14 ouncers around 360-370. Almost all of them are close to even balance, or a little headlight, like 2 points. This is, as Lefty also noted, is a function of all the weight in the throat and less in the head than modern sticks. The combination of heavy static weight, even balance and relatively low swingweight makes them swing differently than modern sticks. They swing "light" to me, despite their weight. They feel comfortable and natural to me, but I have no doubt that I can swing a modern stick faster. If you took an APDC and added an ounce and half to the throat/bridge you'd have a typical woodie weight distribution.
     
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  11. SandV

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    In an article on Sampras' racket a couple of years ago, Tennis Magazine reported that Jack Kramer played with 16 oz. racket with a 5 1/4 grip.
     
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  12. Boricua

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    In the present, is Borg using a Dunlop racket and if so, what model and what weight does it have?
     
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  13. ericsson

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    Dunlop 4D 100 customised with lead.
     
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  14. Don't Let It Bounce

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    Someone posted this in another thread:

    Dunlop Biomimetic 200 (custom)
    Head size ~90
    unstrung 316g, 311mm, 279 SW
    RA 64, 64.5, 65 (unstrung)
    lead B8 to T13 (~8 to 9:30) >> ~350g strung
     
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  15. Boricua

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    Bold colors ideed. Nice for a modern racket to copy these colors, at least it appeals to me.:)
     
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  16. Boricua

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    I wonder if he has tried the new Donnays?
     
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  17. NLBwell

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    Interesting.
    I grew up with wood rackets - usually played with a medium. I had little idea of the weight and never heard of swingweight. I started customizing my rackets a few years ago. A year or two ago I went and measured my weight and swingweight on my rackets. They are 13.5 or more oz and run about 365 swingweight.
    I unknowingly created the equivalent of the wood rackets I grew up playing with.

    VEEERY Interestink. (But not funny.)
     
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