Weight on Back Foot During Ball Toss

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  1. fordm48

    fordm48 New User

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    My serve is currently really bad (bad timing, bad toss, etc), and I'm going to try using Patrick Dougherty's simplified serving technique:
    http://www.youtube.com/feed/UC2LThnGnWbhJk1a-gqvJhSA/u

    One of the features I thought was interesting was that with this technique he suggests keeping your weight on the front foot during the whole toss, so that you don't have to worry about balancing or really shifting your weight very much.

    It made me wonder, why do a lot of servers (maybe most?) keep their weight partially or mostly on the back foot during the toss then transition to the front foot? You can see that when guys lift the toe of their front foot while tossing; some even lift the front foot off the ground entirely (like Safin, I guess). Why can't you just begin with the weight on the front foot, if that's where you need to end up anyway?

    thanks!
     
  2. Lukhas

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    If you're able to go in the proper trophy position and hit the ball nicely, all the windup is only something cosmetic. They are able to balance themselves this way, and in fact they may not even notice it! It works for them, just find what works for you.
     
  3. charliefedererer

    charliefedererer Legend

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    Using Pat's simplified serving technique is a great idea to build a consistant serve.

    It takes the jumping out of the serve which is a source of inconsistency in many players, especially those who can't practice and play several times a week.

    But it does promote powering the serve with coiling and getting into a bow shape to power your serve with big body movements.



    Now to your question.

    Virtually all the pros, and most of the best servers in your area, toss the same:
    Federer Murray Haas & more ball toss common threads
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF-UaRUd6k&feature=related


    They toss this way so they can begin coiling while they toss - they do not toss, then start to coil.

    And coiling involves turning away from the ball.

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    Starting with weight on the back foot allows the tossing arm to move forward and up at the same time as beginning to coil and still maintain one's balance on the way to an aggressive trophy position out of which to explode.
     
  4. corners

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    I think you're misinterpreting what you're seeing. They are not tossing with their weight on their back foot. They initiate the toss with the weight on the back foot but the tossing motion is done while the weight is being transferred to the front foot. This is absolutely critical, in my opinion. If you don't get your weight transferred to the front foot, your toss will be above you instead of in front of you. Consequently, your serve will suck, and you will slowly destroy your shoulder.

    As soon as you start raising your arm to toss, as soon as it moves up at all, your weight needs to be moving forward onto the front foot.
     
  5. TennisCJC

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    I am not sure if I agree. See Federer slow-mo from side below. He does not start forward to front foot as soon as his arm starts arm. I have seen other video of Federer doing the same. He holds his weight back until ball is released. Even at end of video where Fed is going full speed, his weight is back until after the ball is released from his fingers.

    See Ferrer video for someone who starts forward as toss arm goes forward as you describe.

    Roddick is kind of in the middle weight very back while start up but transition foward sooner than Federer but not as soon as Ferrer. See about 28 seconds into video.

    Federer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXkAK_iFBuQ

    Ferrer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHzUJqvzIW4

    Roddick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZbxKuLEP_o
     
  6. LeeD

    LeeD Bionic Poster

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    I rock onto my front foot as my toss arm starts it's upward path, so my weight is on the FRONT foot, but I also pinpoint, so I need my weight on the front foot.
    Platform, same thing. Weight shifts to front foot just as the toss arm starts to rise, and weight stays mostly on the front foot.
     
  7. Greg G

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    I found this to be true (see my serve thread). I was having all sorts of problems with my toss, which improved when I switched form platform to pinpoint. At first I didn't understand why changing my feet would improve my toss, but when I viewed the slow motion video, I realized it helped me transfer my weight forward. My toss and contact naturally went further forward.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=431169
     
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  8. fordm48

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    Interesting! So rocking the weight from back to front (instead of just starting with all your weight on the front) is to increase bend/coiling?

    I'll probably work up to that - I'm really just rebuilding my serve from basics at the moment.
     
  9. corners

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    Yeah, this seems to be a problem common to people using the platform stance. When I go pinpoint my toss goes in front of me naturally, as I must transfer my weight properly to bring the back foot up for the pinpoint. But with platform there is a tendency for the weight to "stall" on the back foot. I'm having good success now simply angling my tossing arm further into the court, which kind of "pulls" my weight forward. Result: toss goes forward, weight transfers nicely, shoulder feels great.
     

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