Whaaaaaa???? In-Game Coaching???

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Should In-Game Coaching Be Allowed?

  1. Yes -- in the WTA only.

    14.0%
  2. Yes -- in the ATF only.

    2.3%
  3. Yes -- in both the WTA and the ATF.

    23.3%
  4. No -- not in either the WTA or the ATF.

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  1. Love Game

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    This happened this week in Brisbane.
    Right in the middle of a match.

    Roberta Vinci called for her coach, and he came out and gave her instructions until time was up on the changeover.

    I'm seeing this in matches in the WTA.
    When will the ATP grant permission?

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    edit for correction:
    The acronym is ATP, not ATF! :rolleyes:
     
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  2. counter_puncher

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    The ATF? The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives?

    umm...
     
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  3. S H O W S T O P P E R !

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    This is old news in the WTA. Totally a bad idea considering that now the women have one simple game: hit the ball as hard as possible into the corner and they actually need someone to tell them how to do it! The WTA is going to fail soon unless they find another Henin or a new Graf.
     
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  4. m.dubya24

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    i don't see why there can't be coaching, after all, it is there coach. i don't think it will do any harm to the league and i don't see any MAJOR advantages or disadvantages. i think it should be allowed. everyone needs a little help and guidance sometime even the pros.
     
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  5. Love Game

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    wait a minute.
    i just voted in my own poll and looked at that crazy.

    ATP. wait is it atp?
     
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  6. oranges

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    No coaching for me. I like the fact that players are on their own once they step on court. It adds a dimension to the game.
     
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    Completely agreed, it's one of the distinctive elements of tennis.
     
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  8. jmverdugo

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    They do it anyway...
     
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  9. oranges

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    No they don't, what little communication, mostly non-verbal, can go on without blatantly violating the rules cannot be compared to having someone sit beside you to give you pointers and cheer you all the time.
     
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  10. edmondsm

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    Maybe you have issues with the authorities, that's none of our business. On here we discuss the Association of Tennis Professionals. :)
     
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  11. LanceStern

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    I have a problem with in - game coaching.

    You have one person on the other side of the net. If you can't tell if their backhand is weak, or you don't even have a strategy to stop form losing without asking the coach, you're not going to make it too far anyways.
     
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    Doesn't this just make the women look bad? The WTA already has a reputation of having players with half dimensional games, and now they can't even think on court?

    In the other hand, the women's game is boring enough as it is. It wouldn't matter either way.
     
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  13. Love Game

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    you aint just whistlin' Dixie there, Bubba! [​IMG]

    thank you. can't change the poll.
    hmmmm ... i'll put an edit in the OP.
     
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  14. Love Game

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    I just have one question:
    Was it a man or a woman who decided this?
     
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    I really feel that in-game coaching really takes away from the beauty of tennis: that one has to make all the decisions on his own; he makes it or breaks it. Tennis is about mental toughness and intelligence, and instinctively knowing what to do in certain situations, and coaching destroys that theory.
     
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    In game coaching is lame. It goes against the hole idea of competitive tennis. Hello!!! Is anyone listening!?!?!?
     
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    After googling it, Larry Scott (the CEO) approved it. Also a side note: if the coach wants to talk to his/her player, the conversation will be broadcast so television audiences can hear them. This is probably a gimmick to boost TV audiences.
     
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    In my opinion, I don't think that it would benefit the player that much.
     
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    I will go back and read to catch up, but if nobody has mentioned this: It would be harmful to the league to be perceived as being elitist.

    there's obviously a great disparity between the top players and all the rest already. not a good idea to widen the gap when the top players can afford the most expensive coaches and the others cannot.

    this decision smacks of corporation slapping individualism in the face.
     
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  20. janipyt05

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    On court coaching should be banned, i mean why can't you think it out yourself. That is partly what separates the best from the so so they can work it out or they will lose trying.
     
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    Exactly. That's part of what separates the wheat from the chaff: the ability to assess what a player needs to do to overcome adversity by analyzing. and to change up the game plan when the original isn't working. that should be done by the player, herself. otherwise, it's just not tennis as we know it.
     
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    They have coaching in boxing between rounds why not tennis?
     
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  23. Love Game

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    exactly.

    10char
     
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    They have timeouts in basketball, why not in tennis? Because it's tennis?
     
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    not.
    hand gestures from the stands is one thing.
    what's shown in the OP is something else entirely.

    And I've already seen it being used as gamesmanship, e.g., the coach says (for all to hear, including the opponent) something to demean or disconcert the opponent.

    If it's good for the women's game (which it isn't)
    then it's good for the men's game (also isnt)
     
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    I want to see the highest quality tennis possible during a match, so if on court coaching can help achieve that, why not? It doesn't bother me. The only thing is it could actually achieve the opposite result sometimes by putting too much pressure on the player. They already do on court coaching in davis cup matches and quite frankly, I don't see much difference. But it could be fun to see the interaction between player and coach during the match. I wonder if the players woud support the idea though as it may mean the coach would get more credit for the players' achievements than they already do and I suspect that would annoy some players.
     
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  28. Tennisplaya10

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    i think it could make tennis more competitive and attractive.
    im tired of talented players losing to the same people by being ridiculously outplayed when some smart adjustments could make the match more competitive and less predictive.
    but then not everyone can afford a coach. as long as lower ranked players dont earn more (like in any other popular sport) it would be kinda unfair.
     
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    the mental game of tennis is one of the reasons it's the most perfect sport ever invented.

    davis cup is a team effort.
    singles is an individual effort.

    anyone who watched spain's triumph over argentina in the dc final in november knows verdasco probably would not have won his match against agasuso without the on-court input of emilio sanchez.

    it was a shared victory.
    standardize on-court coaching and all singles victories will literally be shared victories.

    it will not streamline the game.
    instead, it will add an element that will bog it down, dilute its perfection.
     
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  30. edmondsm

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    Good post. One of the greatest aspects of tennis is the mono y mono dynamic on court. If there is a tense part of a match, if a player is struggling, they have to get through it on their own. No differing to your teamates, no pep talk, if you can't handle the pressure then find another sport. On-court-coaching=terrible idea.
     
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