What about Raul Ramrod Ramirez

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  1. kiki

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    Considered the best mexican ever, along Raton Osuna, though he never took a slam title.raul played the left side in the famous doubles team with Brian Gottfried.ç
    Quick, agressive,nimble, not powerful at any stroke, but solid at all of them, good volleyer, even on clay, and very good all round game.won the then prestigious Italian Open against classy clay courter Manuel Orantes in straight sets.Scored wins over all the big names, beating Bjorn Borg and Jimmy Connors among others.

    Raul also reached the Wimbledon and Roland Garros semis as well as many quarters there, and also at the US Open during his prime years that stretch from 1974 to 1978.was never the same player, and I don´t know why, from 1979 till 1983 when he retired.he also played several WCT finals and YEC and ranked in the top 10 for some years.
     
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    Ramrod is a cooler middle name than Carlos.
     
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  3. BobbyOne

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    kiki, Ramirez is worth to be remembered.

    You mean Rafael (Rafe) Osuna...
     
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    Yes, Rafael was called the Raton (mouse) due to his small size but also his quickness.

    As for Ramirez, he certainly has his place in what turned out to be the best tennis era.
     
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    Helluva doubles player, could make a good living today never stepping on a singles court.
     
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    First top guy who consistently moved to hit inside-out western grip forehands.
     
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    Yes, that was one of Ramirez best shots.He also had a great stepping into the net, quick and nimble.
     
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    anyone seen any video clips of this guy?
     
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    I have seen a Nastase - Ramirez Wimbledon - a superb show- both are just too quick & talented...(was it 5 sets?) 'tis '76 before Nastase runs into the "alien," as he calls him - Borg...
     
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    My first year working at the TransAmerica, while stringing some rackets for some collegiate player from Tennessee, Raul came in and asked me to hit, since the two courts weren't occupied at the noon hour.
    I knew how he was, he just figured a fast stringer of gut should know how to hit.
    We hit for almost an hour, and boy, was I tired and winded. While we were hitting, MikeCahill came by looking for the stringer, who should have been me, and shot the sh.. for a few minutes, slowly changing into his shorts and taking my place.
    They would hang around our stringing booth that tourney and the following.
     
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    I remember his blattant win over Borg at WCT Tehran and also a brilliant match vs Pecci he won 10-8 in the third
     
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    LeeD,
    Did his ease of his foot speed strike you when you hit with him? I have noticed that the truly fast ones need to be appreciated in person.
    I'll never forget the time when Nastase was practicing in earnest and we all stood at the fence - staring...
     
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    Raul Ramirez was one of the best second line players of the 1970´s, particularly from 1974 till 1979.

    He played the Masters in 74,76,77,78 and the WCT Final in 1975,1976,1978.

    He was also known for his great doubles team with Brian Gottfried, winning 4 times the IO as well as one RG and Wimbledon title, and reaching the WCT World doubles final in 1980.

    He was formed at USC, there he got to know Gottfried.
     
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    The 1976 Wimbledon semi final between Nastase and Ramirez, was a 6-2, 9-7, 6-3 win for Nastase. Tiebreaks at Wimbledon from 1971 to 1978 were at 8 games all rather than at 6 games all, which explains the score of the second set.
     
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    6-2, 9-7, 6-3 for Nasty in the '76 Wimbledon semis.
     
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    Mustard, Correction: That 9-7 was not a tie-beak which would read 9-8.
     
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    I know it wasn't a tiebreak. I meant that a 9-7 score in the second set couldn't happen today as it did then, as tiebreaks were at 8 games all at Wimbledon from 1971 to 1978.
     
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    FYI Gottfried played at Trinity - he was a teammate of Dickie Stockton on those 70s powerhouse San Antonio based teams.

    He and Dickie were one of the top NCAA doubles teams as well.
     
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    OK, thanks.
    Raul was born in La Ensenada, in 1953, this is a close village to the US border if I am correct.he certainly attended College in US California.

    In 1975, he beat Jimmy Connors in DC play, and that defeat made Connors rennounce to DC for many years ( he would play only three more rubbers, not a full campaign; in 81 vs Czeckoslovakia QF and in 1984 vs Argentina in QF and vs Sweden in F).

    I can´t remember if there were many critics to Connors in the US for that decision, my guess is there were not because, by the second half of the 70´s DC was no longer seen as an interesting competition in the USA.
     
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    Ramirez had a brief period of resurgence in 1982, attending the SF at Palm Springs ( lost to Lendl) and winning a cc tourney at Viña del Mar, in Chili vs the veteran Orantes.

    I´d say his last relevant year on the tour, as a top ten player was 1978.From 1979 to 1982, some rare good results and a lot of unexpected loses.I don´t really recall what happened to him but, I´d certainly like to know; he was only 26¡¡¡
     
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    He's from ENSANADA - it's just south of San Diego about 80 miles ( not La Ensalada)

    Small port and tourist stop for deep sea fishing...........if you take the drive down from the border about halfway there you can see the Fox studios Baja lot and the scaled down version of the TITANIC and other Pirate Ships used for the movies.
     
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    Never been to that area, must be nice

    BTW, I said Ensenada, not Ensalada ( which means a Salad in English)

    But Raul was like a good salad; a lot of natural and varied shots.:) and a good dish for any stomach
     
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