What are Federer's racquet specs(grip, weight, tension)?

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  1. BreakPoint

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    Huh? Greg Raven measured Federer's racquet to be 359.5g (12.70 oz.) strung WITHOUT an overgrip and WITHOUT power pads NOR string savers. The overgrip, power pads, and string savers will easily add up to at least the 5.5g (0.19 oz.) difference. This is not to mention that Greg Raven strung the racquet with full Wilson Reaction syn gut, which would be lighter than Federer's natural gut/Luxilon hybrid.

    http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/federer_playtest.html
     
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  2. Pro_Tour_630

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    do not forget the weight of the thick POLY and NG, add few grams there as well

    sorry I just saw this as well
     
  3. Recon

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    I'd like to thank fabfed for this information. I think Fed uses the K90 for real, others have said hes been using it for 6 years? I've read it in post a while back, I think it was BP. Your efforts are greatly appreciated by me. Thank you.
     
  4. sureshs

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    We have long suspected that Fed's stick is 12.8 oz strung.

    Crucial thing is the balance. Do we know that yet?
     
  5. Pro_Tour_630

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    nope I suspect 32cm
     
  6. jackcrawford

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    Roger, playing the ATP tour, doesn't come across the big hitters some of the regular posters here run into down at the country club, so he has no need to lead his frame up to 14 oz with a 400 SW. At the public park, I would say lead your frame up to 15 oz and 500 SW to deal with the pace you will encounter there.
     
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    I love this post. :)
     
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    Why's the real fed stick looks shorter?
     
  9. hoodjem

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    Yea me too. Down at my local club I need to hit with Budge's racquet: 16.5 oz and no grip, just a bare wood handle. But on the ATP tour, I could use a little 4 1/4 grip, lite Babolat and be no. 1 in the world . . . just like Rafa.

    Damn baseline-bashers--they've ruined everything.
     
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  10. Rabbit

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    Why? What magic bullet would balance provide?
     
  11. sureshs

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    It would give strong hints about his real setup. A frame which is 5 pts HL is a different frame from one which is 8 pts HL. They may look similar, that is all. Balance would also hint at the SW.
     
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    Didn't fabFed already state it feels just like a stock???

    Anyway, this thread validates what many of us have been saying>>. Fed plays with a stock version of the frame, which is somewhat modified by his personal racquet techs. (butt cap, grip, etc).
     
  13. Rabbit

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    Very much agreed despite the bombastic protestations of another board member.

    Well, IMO, this is akin to picking fly crap out of pepper. 3 points balance makes a night/day difference in a frame? I think not. Speaking from my Dunlop AG100's, one of them is 1 point different on balance and when strung with a 17 gauge multi another was 2 points different. I could tell no functional difference between them. I played as well with all 3.

    IMO, this is way overthinking gear and pretty much looking a gift horse in the mouth. Also, based on what's been presented here, I would be astounded if Fed's racket balance differed +/- 1 point from the retail version as all the rest of his specs are retail-on.
     
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    Yes, very well stated. The k90 that Fed plays with is, spec-wise at least, a virtual clone of the retail version. <end of story>
     
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    WoW! That's so true it hurts :)
     
  16. BreakPoint

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    That's just the way the pic distorts the dimensions. You can take a pic of two identical frames side by side and most likely they will look like they have different head shapes, sizes, widths, and lengths.
     
  17. Elzurdo

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    Well, I would also like to know the balance! I consider it as interesting to know as the static weight, and very easy to measure.
     
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    There has already been a statement made that the balance felt, as did the other parameters, equal to the retail version. The actual weight of the frame bore this out.
     
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    what is the balance of feds racquet in stock form? compared to the retail version?

    what is the swingweight of feds racquet in stock form? compared to the retail version?

    what is the composition of feds racquet? what is the composition of the retail version?
     
  20. Rabbit

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    If you read the thread, the owner has answered 2/3 of your questions. The answers were:

    what is the balance? He said it feels the same.

    what is the swingweight? He said it feels the same.

    what is the composition? Since this would be a destructive test, it will not be performed. The owner of the frame said the frame felt like the retail version. So, it really doesn't matter if it's made of platinum if it feels like the regular one.

    For parts one and two, this should be good enough as you don't go by measurements, rather by feel.
     
  21. Poluski

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    Add me to the list of folks that are curious about the balance. The reason is strictly from technical perspective. I tune/match a lot of frames. Some for Challenger and Futures pros. Some time ago another poster, Jura, published specs for about 50+ pros from Fench Open. Nadal was one of them on the list. I have taken that list and put in Excel to see averages and trends, etc., and also to advise other players. So for me knowing the balance would just complete the list.

    Fabfed, if you're still out there, please consider the rest of us appreciative lurkers and ingore the other folks. As someone suggested already you can check the balance easily at home with an edge of a table top and a ruler. Let me/us know if we should talk you though it. Thanks.
     
  22. saram

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    For me, personally--it does not matter what the balance is in any way. I like the way my n90's play and adjusting the sticks to Fed's balance/SW would only make my game decline.

    Unless our name is "Ron"...there's no reason for knowing Roger's balance.
     
  23. samster

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    Fabfed has done more than enough for the people of TTW. He does NOT need to take the balance of the Federer frame.
     
  24. PurePrestige

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    I don't understand how this thread is still going after someone posted this link.

    http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs.html

    As it has been said over and over. Greg knows his stuff and is a very trustworthy source of info. As you can see from the number of pro specs he has given.
    Now not only has he provided us with Roger's specs when using the n-Code 90 but also he has updated us with detailed specs with his K90.

    I don't understand how it isn't case closed at this point. Unless people just refuse to believe because they aren't amazing with a K90 means that Federer can't possibly be using a stock K90.
     
  25. tursafinov

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    I think ART ART was onto it.

    I've been going through my archives of posts about what Fed's racquet measurements could be. Since I believe it was mentioned that FABFED's racquet is from Monte Carlo -on clay- with 365g weight I believe the racquets balance to be 32cm based on this post from ART ART.

    I think that the 2g difference must have been extra weight on the handle.
    without that extra 2g on the handle the balance should tip slightly more towards the head at 32cm.

    ~Tursa
     
  26. ART ART

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    It goes from 363g to 367g. The balance goes from 31,6 to 31,9.

    It all depends on the surface, balls, temperature, this was the info I could get.

    There's always 3 kinds of frame-setup on practice, and another 3 kinds of string tension setup during the match on his bag.
     
  27. tursafinov

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    Thank you for chiming in ART ART.
    Did you mean the weight and balance relationship went like this:

    363g/31.6 to 367g/31.9

    which means Federer increases his weight and his balance point?

    That would seem odd since we most often think an increase in weight would be matched with a lower balance point to maintain maneuverability.
    Did I get that right?
    If so, would that mean his 365g is proportionately 31.75cm?!
    Your thoughts, and thank you again,

    ~Tursa
     
  28. ART ART

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    No, with 367g or 363g, the bp would be from 31.6 to 31.9.
    I think it could change the bp acording to his likes/needs, not acording to the static weight of the frame. But I can't confirm this.
    So, the swingweight could change by a few points.
     
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  29. tursafinov

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    OK thanks for the quick reply!

    Roland Garros is just around the corner - gonna put on some black and raid the priority1 room for us and settle this for real?!

    Thanks again ART ART,
    ~Tursa
     
  30. Rabbit

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    One friendly amendment here and a concession to the nay sayers.....it could be of a special layup. But.....given all the evidence at hand, it appears the the preponderence of the evidence suggests that this is a frame very if not exactly like one you could buy at your local pro shop (shoppe for some) or internet e-tailer such as TW.



    And, I again would like to profusely thank FABFED for first of all sharing his experience and secondly putting up with the load of crap that followed. It seems like every time the "real deal" shows up on the boards, be it player.....racket tech.....or just someone "in the know" there's a small but vocal contingent of posters who do nothing but try to run them off. It's a shame really.
     
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  31. MichaelChang

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    Yep, hats off to Fabfed. This is a firm/conclusive contribution to the "Fed racket" mystery, and with this thread the case should be closed, probably until the day Fed retires and wrote in his memorie book and disclose more secrets of his racket.
     
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    ^^^As much as they try>>> This issue is closed. Fed plays with a stock k90. Period.

    Once again, thanks to FabFed for taking the time to post photos, and put this issue to rest. Also, thanks to Ron Yu for also coming on the boards and sharing his knowledge.
     
  33. saram

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    Could not have said it better myself.
     
  34. tursafinov

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    I appreciate being in the with brain category, but that doesn't mean I don't like fanning the flames of conspiracy. If I may digress the conversation - It is well documented that Safin's Prestiges are lighter out of the factory so he can customize them how he sees fit and still end up near the stock Prestige weight.

    I move to say that this is the only reason the Asian K90 exists.
    Wilson figured it would be profitable to make it mass market when they had a completely different layup set up for Federer away from the mass market heavier USK90's. (and yes I do think Fed would have his own layup, afterall they did it with Fed's ncode n90's which were K90's with a paintjob while the rest of the world was using completely different moulds from the mass market n90 layup evidenced by the longer pallet and string spacing at the PWS.)
    FabFED's pictures show an AK90 at 342g -that's 23g to work with before the given 365g.
    Travelerajm (believe him or not) has said that 12g at 12 O'clock would get Federer up to SW2 (swingweights over 360 that magically turn you Pro)(although he will tell you it's simple physics) the other 11g. would be placed as counter weight in the handle to return the balance to 8 points HL.
    This would result in a more Polarized, stable, and spin friendly K90, while still arriving at Stock weight and balance specs.

    ~Tursa (ready for massive backlash or World Peace)
     
  35. ART ART

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    You're right, some lead could be on the top center of the frame, and when we hook up slightly the grommet we could not/didn't see it. And the rest of the lead on the top of the leather grip.
    If you see it better, the top of his handle is modified, maybe there's some lead there... 10g @12 + 10g @top of the handle.

    RonY could confirm this...
     
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    My thanks to you, Samster, MichaelChang, Rabbit and the rest of the guys who appreciated the photos and didn't give me a tough time for not meeting their standards for measuring the specs of the racket. Glad you guys got something from it.
     
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    I'm almost tempted to ask how you determined that my "rackets" are not accurate, seeing as how I have the racquets and the means of measuring them, and (from what I can tell) you do not.

    I published the weight, balance, and swingweight for one of Federer's Wilson K Six.One Tour 90s, and the weight is only 2.5 grams off of what Fabfed subsequently seems to have posted (his photo account is currently overloaded with visits, so I can't verify this).
     
  38. BreakPoint

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    Thanks Greg, for the measurements of Federer's K90. :) I was looking at your previous specs of his nCode 90 but I see that you now have his K90 also posted. Good stuff!

    Here are Greg's measurements of Federer's K90 as compared to USRSA's and TW's measurements. Don't forget that Greg's measurement is Federer's actual racquet which is strung with a heavier natural gut/Luxilon hybrid, has an overgrip, has string savers, and has power pads, all of which will add to the weight and the swingweight.

    Racquet Mass Bal. cm Swgwt Length
    Federer's 362.5 31.50 338 27
    USRSA 356.0 31.85 331 27
    Tennis Warehouse 354.0 31.43 336 27
     
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    All the thanks is to you and Greg Raven for giving us some real deal.
     
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    I had no idea you had gotten your hands on one of his K90's...good stuff! Feds specs are now public knowledge (in my opinion).
     
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    too bad all of Fabfed's pics are gone for now.

    however, someone had the foresight to save them...
     
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    ^^ Thank you very much!!! :)
     
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    Pro Tour, how did I know you would be the one to save those photos. :)

    Thanks for re-posting them.
     
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    ^^^ so did we figure out what 21.0 FRI means:confused: tension and day?
     
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    That would be my guess. 21kg = 46 lbs. and it was strung on Friday.
     
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    Its too bad the photo host got overwhelmed... I would have liked to have seen that ...
     
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