What are the implications of Federer's slam count advantage if he meets Rafa at AO?

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  1. Bad_Knee

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    With Federer having 17, and Nadal just 11, and Nadal having had over 6 months off by then. Will Federer be able regain the mental edge in this battle? Federer is clearly currently the better player, and Nadal is clearly past his best, I think it's time for Roger to regain the mental edge in this rivalry. Roger is already the best player in world history, and Nadal will never get close to him, so it doesn't matter if they don't meet :)
     
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    Federer is the GOAT. Just sayin.
     
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  4. underground

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    All Federer needs to do is rewatch his IW match and he'll win, simple as that. I bet you he forget to watch the Hamburg match before playing Rafa in RG....
     
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    Regain the mental edge?

    When was he last time Fed had it?
     
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    I really doubt Federer can beat Nadal on any surface over 5 sets now. Unless Nadal comes back seriously below-par.
     
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  7. Clarky21

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    Clearly a resurrected troll,but I do think if Nadal plays the AO and lands in Fed's half he will lose. He's not beating any of the top players without significant match-practice first,and even then he will be lucky to win sets off of them.
     
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    Late 2007 was pretty good for Fed.

    Going into Wimbledon 2006 it was 6-1 Rafa in the h2h. By the end of 2007 it was 8-6 Rafa, meaning Fed won 5 out of 7 against Rafa including huge wins in 2007 at Wimby and at the 2007 WTF. Not saying it was an advantage, but they were even I'd say.

    Then 2008 happened...
     
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    Nadal would have to play only Spanish players or maybe players outside of top 100 in order to reach semi finals. Or maybe have R16 and Q walk overs.
     
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    Let's see......Federer had won 26 straight matches before he met Nadal at the 2012 Australian Open. Federer clearly the better player at that time, right? Wrong. Federer lost in 4 sets (and Nadal gave him a head start by losing the 1st set). Nadal stomps on Federer no matter how well Federer plays. Federer won't be able to stop Nadal from winning the Calendar Year Grand Slam.
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    Well ultimately 17 trumps 11.

    Federer is the first male player in world history to win 15, 16, 17 slams....what a trailerblazer!
     
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    At this point I'd be happy to just see Federer win 2 matches in a row against him.
     
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    Well, if Nadal has played Basel and the WTF, I think that would have happened. Or if Nadal was in Cincy this year, with the mode that Federer was in, on probably his fav masters events surface, and having schooled Nadal on a much slower higher bouncing court in IW, this could have happened this year.
     
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    And Nadal owns the crap out of him. What a trailblazer!
     
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    Touched a nerve? It certainly seems that way...

    And when does Nadal own him on indoor courts?

    Your alternate account says 6-1, 6-3, 6-0 (Interestingly that is the result of the last three sets that Federer and Nadal have played against each other indoors. I guess that is how you own the crap out of someone.)

    17 will always trump 11.
     
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    Berdych, yes. The other two are not really threatening to Fed.
     
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    He will be sloppy if he truly hasn't picked up a racket since Wimbledon.
     
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  19. pvaudio

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    If rock beats scissors, and scissors cuts every single other thing, then no one really gives a **** about rock. I think that's a fairly analogous summary of Nadal and Federer.
     
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    You're right - proof of this is from the 2004-2005 season. Nadal beat Federer, but lost to players like Lleyton Hewitt and Andy Roddick. He only had an advantage over Federer at that point, and if he didn't improve his hard court game and those players didn't decline, he would not have won either the Australian Open or the US Open. He won Wimbledon in 2010 by a fluke since he faced Berdych in the final, and narrowly won in 2008 in a five set block buster with a worn out Federer.
     
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    Total butthurt filled bs.
     
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    Truth hurts.
     
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    It's far from the truth. Fed hadn't dropped a set up until the final of Wimby 2008,yet you want me to believe he was "worn out"? No way.


    And the same Berdych you are crapping all over,did beat Fed and ******* consecutively to make that Wimby final in 2010. He was playing some of the best tennis of his career throughout that tournament.
     
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    The reason Federer didn't drop a set until the final is because he was facing unseeded players who were (mostly) out of their primes. Federer had an easy draw. He was battling mononucleosis since December 2007 and struggled in his French Open final against Nadal, losing it in straight sets. He was worn out.

    Federer was out of his prime by 2010 and Djokovic was hardly his 2012 self in that semifinal clash. Reading articles from that time say Djokovic lacked "self belief" meaning he did not hold the same confidence he had when he won the Australian Open in 2008. Let's face it, Nadal didn't win those titles handily.
     
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    Even after he has a career threatening injury.
     
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    Who? ........
     
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    Nadal, the same man who hasn't picked up a racket since his defeat at Wimbledon.
     
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    He would have won 2012 if not for that injury...as it was predicted by a former poster here.
     
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    His injury is not career threatening. So don't worry, he'll be back.
     
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    I stand by my original post that you are severely butthurt,and will do anything to knock Nadal and any titles he wins. This entire post is one gigantic excuse,and nothing more. Fed himself said that he was NOT sick at Wimby in 2008,and that he felt fine. I guess you know better than he does. You also realize that Nadal pushed Fed to 5 sets just the year before,and probably would have won that match if not for being shafted by the scheduling. What's your excuse for that match considering you can't bring up the old stand-by mono excuse becausse he wasn't anywhere near sick at that time.

    And no matter what version of ******* shows up,he's not as good on grass as Nadal is. Going by your logic,would you say that Nadal is better on grass than Fed? He must be since he got a win over Fed at Wimby.

    You also forget that Nadal beat ******* at the USO in 2010. I would love to hear your excuse for that one.
     
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  31. Hitman

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    And do you realize that he was extremely lucky that Youzhny got injured in their match when he was leading him 2 sets to love, and only then did Nadal get into the match? Or that Djokovic was even more screwed than Nadal with his matches, and despite taking an early lead, had to retire mid way in that match, allowing Nadal to have a much easier semi final?

    I agree that Nadal is better than Djokovic on grass.
     
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    An excuse is beating Mario Ancic in the quarterfinal round? After he's had an on and off season and was battling mono as well? That is a GREAT win there. :roll:

    Djokovic was not himself in that semifinal match. He did not hold confidence, therefore he got beaten by a lesser player. Berdych did not belong in the final, that's why he was outclassed by Nadal. And yes, Nadal is a better grass court player than Djokovic, but I don't know why you're even bringing that up or what relevance that serves in this argument.

    And yes, Nadal did beat a mentally wounded Djokovic who struggled past Federer to even make it to the final. Nadal had an easy draw that year, too.
     
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    The problem with Federer is that he gives up every single advantage he gains against Nadal in their Slam meetings. He breaks serve, gets some momentum and then loses his serve right after. :lol: It's all mind games for Federer.
     
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    After 2008, it was all downhill for Federer vs Nadal.
     
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    Every single last word of this post is nothing but one big excuse to denigrate Nadal's achievements.

    And you can also thank Robin Soderling for beating an injured Nadal at RG in 2009,or else Fed never would have won that slam. See,it works both ways,doesn't it?
     
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    Nadal has achieved what he has, he just needed like thirty lucky breaks in order to do it. And you're right, Federer probably wouldn't have won that year had Nadal made it to the final.
     
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    This argument is stupid. Sabratha is making excuses that I'm ashamed of as a Federer fan. Just stop it. Anyway, on topic, I would say that the slam count means nothing. Unless Nadal comes back less than what he was by a half decent margin Federer will have trouble with him as he always does.
     
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  38. Sabratha

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    You're ashamed that Federer beat an ailing Mario Ancic in order to progress to the semifinal stage, which was against an unseeded Marat Safin who had hit rock bottom at #75 in the world?
     
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    Wasn't Nadal supposed to win the CYGS each of the last 3 years, NSK?

    Why hasn't he done it yet?
     
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    Don't worry my fellow fan, next year will be the year Rafa wins the CYGS....:twisted::twisted:
     
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  41. NadalAgassi

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    Talking about matches involving Nadal in 2004 as relevant, ROTFL!!! You really are beyond desperate. Hewitt and Roddick would not stop Nadal from winning any slam, if Nadal is in slam winning form he always will beat such players, and if he were in the form to lose to either they arent events he was in the form to win anyway.

    Nadal has reached the finals of 5 of the last 6 Wimbledons he played but won it twice by fluke, whatever. He is if anything unlucky to not have 3 or 4 Wimbledons, probably would have won in 2009 had he been able to play, and was a bit unlucky to lose that 2007 final. If anyone has been lucky at Wimbledon, make that super lucky, it is Federer with the rain delay in 2004 quite possibly being what saved his ass vs Roddick, Nadal blowing so many chances in that 2007 match and somehow scraping through despite losing about 80% of the baseline rallies, Nadal not playing in 2009 and that final which Roddick should have won. The last thing a **** should be speaking of is other players being lucky at Wimbledon.

    On another note you should also be reminded that a Hewitt fanboy is also the last one who should talk about anyone else being lucky. The same player who had he peaked in anything than the transition era before Federer entered his prime and after the whole Sampras generation had hit the rocks (other than an already 32 year old Agassi) would today likely have 0 slams, 0 weeks at #1, 0 WTF, zero anything that makes him anymore relevant than say Tommy Haas.

    Lastly who was going to beat Nadal in the 2010 Wimbledon final, Federer who nearly went out to Falla and got powered off court by Berdych, Djokovic, go ahead and give an answer, whoever it is will be a funny one. Nadal played the 2nd best player of that Wimbledon which was Murray in the semis and won in straight sets, and the 3rd (or 2nd) best player of that Wimbledon which was Berdych in the final and again won in straight sets. I am sure he would have loved to feed Federer or Djokovic both in mediocre form (and Djokovic in anything other than his 2011 form mediocre on grass to begin with) some bakery products rather than facing the more in form opponents like Murray and Berdych, but that is how it went, but hey he dealt with the tougher opponents easily anyway. By your logic we could say Federer winning Wimbledon this year was a fluke and it would be even more true, the guy hadnt been to a Wimbledon semi in 3 years, and faced Murray who was 0-9 in sets in slam finals, but I wouldnt do that since even that would sound stupid, but it is what one would say by your ridiculous logic.

    Thanks for the great laughs your posts in this thread gave me though. Great comedy.
     
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    Oh the irony....
     
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    Lets just say nobody was lucky to win anything. Federer was far from lucky to win in 2004 or 2007, and it is the same case for Nadal when he won. Enough with the excuses and claims that so and so got lucky. It's embarrassing from both sides.
     
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    I agree with TMF though. It is hugely ironic that a Nadal fan would complain about someone trying to denigrate Nadal's accomplishments with at best flimsy excuses. As if they haven't been trying to do it to Federer for years.
     
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    Hey, aren't you the **** that said Federer would never win his 7th Wimbledon? :twisted:
     
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    NA says some good stuff lol.
     
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  47. NadalAgassi

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    I picked him to win Wimbledon this year after the draw came out and Nadal's loss. I also at the time mocked the idea of some posters thinking Djokovic was beating him in the semis seeing how both were playing at this years Wimbledon, and considering Djokovic is not a great grass courter and unless in his 2011 form can not win there. Arent you the Graf **** who says Graf still might have won every sinigle one of her 22 slams even if Seles wasnt stabbed. Even Gunther Parche himself who goes on youtube as Hoffenheim and went on TW under a variety of names admits she would have won only about 20, lol!
     
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    I said Graf might have. I don't think she would have but even if I had said Graf would have, I wouldn't have looked stupid because I wasn't going to be proven wrong. You, on the other hand, fell flat on your butt with your stupid declarative prediction :)
     
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    Federer winning Wimbledon this year was a fluke, and back in 2004 Nadal did lose to players like Roddick or Hewitt - it doesn't make me a fan of either of them. It's relevant because if Nadal stayed a clay courter, like say, Ferrero or Moya, he might not have had as much success as he has. It's a tribute to Nadal for improving himself over time to be consistent on all surfaces. He's a great all surface player, but I feel the time is near where he will lose to "no names" AKA the Roddick's and Hewitt's of this generation.
     
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  50. NadalAgassi

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    Yes my prediction Federer would win Wimbledon this year 10 days before it happened (something most Federer fans werent doing even at that point, so as usual I was far more right than nearly everyone else like I always am). As for predicting he probably wouldnt win another Wimbledon before this year, that was the general consensus even amongst Federer fans who almost all agreed the U.S Open was his best shot at another slam with the Australian second based on his performances on the respective surfaces in recent years. Your attempts to mock me for that are on par with the desperation and stupidity of TMF's mocking my prediction that Djokovic probably wouldnt win Wimbledon, which is something 99.9% of people predicted before 2011. You of all people talking of anything stupid is rich, virtually every post you make it is the epitome of stupid. Lastly anyone saying a player who at 19 had won 8 of the last 9 slams she played was "maybe" not going to take a single of Graf's 11 post stabbing slams away had she not been stabbed already looks incredibly stupid to the highest degree. Even the all time Graf freak Hoffenheim/Gunther Parche didnt go that far.
     
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