What can Roddick do to beat Federer?

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  1. Arbartrator

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    Don't volley to his forehand and attack his backhand with his serve?
     
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  2. SaintClaires

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    Don't volley to his backhand either! :twisted:


    Look what happened on match point, a few days ago........
     
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  3. Arbartrator

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    That was BS when it was deuce then Roddick came to volley which he could have got that shot but it hit the net then the ball went over him and landed behind him
     
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  4. Matt H.

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    a terrible string of events from 40-15 up in that final service game. I felt bad for roddick, but he just wouldn't learn not to hit a topspin approach shot to fed's forehand. He was killed everytime.
     
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  5. WBF

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    The only chance Roddick has at beating Federer... relies on Federer being sick or injured. It will never happen, barring a freak accident.
     
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    Roddick is just not a smart tennis player. He's got the weapons but not the brains.
     
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    He doesnt have a good approach shot and he is useless in the net. The only way he can beat Federer is if he improve his approach and netplay
     
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    He goes to the net at bad times.
     
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  9. Staiger

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    His slice approach aint any better , 2/3 up the court .....:?
     
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  10. clayman2000

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    Its not that Roddick is a stupid player, becuase he actually isnt. On the ground he is actually very smart. He can mix up the backhand with the slice cross court or DTL, and his 2 hand is very stable. Its just that he does not know how to approach. Approach shots have to be near the line, if not hitting the line. His shots are at least 2-3 feet away from it.

    If you look at his matches vs both federer and Nadal, it was bad approaches that made him loose. However, this is a coachable part of his game, and as he gains time with Stefanki that part should improve. Really when you look at the 2nd and 3rd sets, Roddick was not getting too bullied by Federer at the back of the court. His backhand was very solid, and as long as he didnt loop the forhand he was staying in the rallies.
     
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  11. VivalaVida

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    agreed. Roddick has a massive forehand but he doesn't like using it at all on the right moments.
     
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    Wear a nadal mask.
     
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  13. Nanshiki

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    He needs to not get broken, try to crush the return, and crank the forehand.

    He should save the pushing for tiebreakers were it's more about points instead of hold/break.
     
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  14. foLster

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    Stop hitting horrible topspin forehands, and flatten it out a bit.
     
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  15. Arbartrator

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    Might as well grow out his hair and dye it black
     
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  16. P_Agony

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    I would say don't volley at all. Roddick should stay away from the net. He should never, ever come to the net. Ever.
     
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  17. rubberduckies

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    He actually did a lot of good things in the Miami match but abandoned what was working for some reason.

    1) Approach to the backhand, not the forehand. Hit an inside out forehand to Fed's backhand and approach the net hoping for a weak slice reply.

    2) Have faith in his groundstrokes. Roddick's backhand has improved tremendously. In Miami, he was rallying from the baseline with Fed quite successfully but abandoned this approach completely and tried to force his way to the net.

    3) Return well. All it takes is a single strong return game to get a break, and with Roddick's serve that break will be very difficult to recover.
     
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  18. mental midget

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    keep the ball in play. that's how everyone else does it.
     
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  19. Arbartrator

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    Roddick could have beat Federer if he broke him in the third set when he had the two break points in my opinion because it would make him play a little more relaxed when he is up a break
     
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    Roddick was going to win that quarterfinal match a couple days ago. He simply played a few loose points especially when he was serving to stay in the match. And Federer being Federer, capitalized and was able to pull match point out of his ass. If those two weak approach shots were stronger, Roddick would have held and it probably would have gone to a tiebreak
     
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    I believe Roddick is actually one of the smarter players out there, except not on the tennis court. He does do things that boggle the mind. Charging the net with pathetic rolling spin, TO FEDERER???? He really has the shots to be right there with the top 4. Just some really bad choices.
     
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  22. Joseph L. Barrow

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    He's already beaten a Federer who was not sick or injured twice, held three match points over a peak Federer at '06 Masters Cup and was very close to beating him just this week.

    Roddick could easily have won this last match if the air currents or net adjustment had been slightly different, causing Federer's net chord shot while break point down at 3-3 to drift just long instead of landing right inside the baseline like it did, and if not that one, had the one at 4-5 deuce gone out, he'd still have been very much "live" in that match. In their current form, I'd say Roddick is close to 50/50 against Federer in a best-of-three hardcourt match, though Federer is still better on clay, probably grass, and in Slams.

    As for what he needs to adjust, Roddick desperately needs to stop hitting that up-the-line forehand approach shot to Federer's forehand, which gets him killed time and time again, but he just seems to keep doing it almost by reflex. Try to go cross court, try a drop shot, just do anything but that same tired pattern that loses you the point about 98% of the time. It would also be good to see him more consistently hit through the forehand, and shake off some of the sort of mental block that seems to get him in trouble at crucial stages against Federer in many of their matches (eg., he makes untimely double faults, attacks the net ill-advisedly on crucial points, etc., due to his "Federer complex," much like Federer does with his "Nadal complex").
     
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  23. clayman2000

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    That is so true. The problem is the short chip return by Federer on Roddicks serve. He puts is short enough that Roddick might as well charge the net. For me thats the biggest problem. Too much is Roddick used to watching his opponents return go wide, high, into net or ace. With Fed, alot more of his returns are short, low and near the service line. Roddick therfore has to hit over the ball with top spin, and is in a position where he might as well go to net. Thats why Roddick has better sucess serving and volleyin against Fed,

    I feel really bad for Roddick becuase every let court went Rogers way. Ultimately serving second in the set is a huge disadvantage when facing Federer becuase you will at least have to do-or-die on your serve twice. Roddick had a chance to break Federer at 5-3 in the second. IF he had done that, this would have been a different match
     
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  24. edberg505

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    Well, play Federer on yesterday. Guaranteed win.
     
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    I disagree.... Short balls open up alot of angles on the court, and I don't think roddick is using them as well as he could. Short balls are extremley easy to approach on, yet roddick just decides to loop it to the fed forehand.
     
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  26. kungfusmkim

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    Get them to play a 5 set match for all his money using frying pans :)
     
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  27. clayman2000

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    Thats becuase Roddick gets caught surprised too much, which sounds funny, but its true. IF you look at the short returns, you will see that Roddick takes a while to react, than to just get to the ball has to run to full speed. By that time the ball is so low that Roddick has to loop it up to get it over the net. Of course his placement is bad, and he become a sitting duck
     
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  28. devila

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    Roddick didn't take tennis seriously.
    He was angry that he cancelled his own fake basketball game with his darling D. Wade, because he was desperate to waste time partying. He obviously didn't believe he was winning any later rounds in Miami.
    He went to watch basketball the day before the quarterfinal.

    He threw away another tournament.

    look at Federer's racquet demolition. He obviously didn't deserve the luck given to him.
     
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  29. OJ ROD

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    Hire a sniper to shoot him mid match.

    Can you say default?:twisted:
     
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  30. Challenger

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    ...and start picking his butt between points and take 10 minutes to serve. That oughta get the ball rolling.

    But seriously, I couldn't help but laugh everytime he approached to Fed's FH. Like watching a mosquito fly into the flame. I don't think it's necessarily that he's stupid, but rather the shot is just a hard habit to break. In the heat of the point, I think it's only natural to approach to where the opponent isn't. Fed tends to camp on his BH side to bait players into sending it towards his FH, and it's tough to go against that.

    But if Fed's recent trend continues, soon all anybody has to do is just keep the ball inside the court and let Fed himself give them the match.
     
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    Woah :shock::shock::shock:
     
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    He should get a new supermodel fiance just before he has to play Fed. Worked last year.
     
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  33. SaintClaires

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    How true.....it would probably work.


    Or he could try to steal Mirka. :twisted:
     
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  34. bladepdb

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    Dunno why he'd want to. Fed would probably be relieved too now that she's knocked up.
     
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  35. 6rump

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    Simple, Serve like crazy, like he did on miami last year his serve was so good, expecially on a crusial point, don't approach with short ball topspin!!!!...........
     
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    Stop making suicide approaches to the net on weak approach shots.
     
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  37. cadillac303

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    Roddick should rough him up a little bit in the locker room. Otherwise, no wins against Fed in Rod's future.
     
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  38. wilsondude

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    Its all mental.
     
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  39. cadillac303

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    I don't think so wilsondude.

    I think probably 10% of it is mental. The other 90% goes to the fact that federer is SO GOOD and roddick does not have the patience or smarts to beat him.
     
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  40. GameSampras

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    Roddick cant do anything.. Its too late. Hes not the game nor the right strategy to beat Fed. Whether Fed is primed, past his prime, old in a wheelchair. Roddick is not, nor ever was good enough to beat Fed. He has too many holes in his game that Fed will always exploit.
     
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  41. Leublu tennis

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    He could try pool.
     
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    Federer is playing some of his worst tennis ever in the last year and Roddick still cant beat him except for one flukish type win where he had to save 1000 break points or something. So he never can really. This is as bad as Federer gets and it still isnt enough for Roddick to come out ahead.
     
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    Nothing. Its no use.
     
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  44. clayman2000

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    In that match Federer played decent. If he was playing as bad as you say he was that he would not have had as many passes as he did, even for Roddick's poor approach.

    Why do you think Roddick still approaches the same, becuase it works against 90 % of players.
     
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  45. cadillac303

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    Actually I think Roddick has been trying to change his game in the last year or so because it is NOT effective when it comes down to winning grand slams.

    There are 25-50 players in the world that's games beat 90% of players. But it's not about who wins against the bottom 90%. It's about who beats the top 10%. And Roddick's game does not do that.
     
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  46. snr

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    Stop coming to the net stuipdly. Its cool that his approach sucks...he can work on that. Point is its as if he doesn't know that his approach is sucking; top that off with coming in at weird random times that makes the audience cringe = reason he keeps losing.

    I half expected Roddick to win that match in Miami... and he was damn close. i wish he had won, would have probably had a more interesting match vs Djokovic.
     
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  47. clayman2000

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    Not really. Its rare for a player in the top 20 to play a player ranked below 100. It usually only happens if they play a WC, or in the 1st / 2nd round of a GS

    And Andy has shown that he can beat the best. Im not saying hes the best ground player in the world, which he clearly isnt. I am trying to say that if you look at his matches even against players in the top 20 (like Ferrer, Gonzalez) his approaches are good enough to win points as these players dont have the accuracy to hit the corners like Federer or Nadal have.
     
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  48. lolitsanasian

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    imo, nothing =]
     
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  49. bladepdb

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    Did anyone else notice he was hardly serving into the 130s that match? His best serves were barely in the 130s....any thoughts on why?
     
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    Punch him the face.
     
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