What college tennis is all about

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  1. Clemson_tennis

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    Let's be honest, pro tennis is much higher quality than college tennis and there is nothing like best of 5 battles in grand slams. But there are things in college tennis that are impossible to generate in the pro game. What are some of these moments?

    Last night in Lubbock, Texas is a great example.
    "I really fed off the energy of the crowd tonight," said Carvalho. "I will remember this moment forever. This was my Senior Night. It was special."

    That quote sums up what college tennis is all bout. The Red Raiders pulled off a dramatic win over rival Texas with senior Gonzalo Escobar clinching the match in front of 1,000 fans under the lights.

    this photo gallery is awesome

    This Texas Tech team has not been known for mental strength but they decided that on senior night for their top 3 players that they would not lose.

    what college tennis is all about right there.
     
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  3. Clemson_tennis

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    yeah thats the ugly side of college tennis


    Another great moment was recently, again involving Texas. When Ben Chen stepped up and grabbed the victory from the Aggies. Texas had failed to close the door and A&M was rallying and had full momentum which in and of itself would have been a great college tennis moment because of the rally on 3 courts. But despite all the momentum, I'm sure the crowd was in shock of what was happening, Ben Chen stepped up and punched back. Down 2-5 in the 3rd set he stood up and didn't let A&M steal the win. He stole it right back from them as the Aggies were attempting a theft of their own. Great moment
     
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    they were down 5-2 on 3 courts in 3rd set
     
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    Texas beats A&M in 3rd set tiebreaker decider
    Texas Tech beats Texas in 3rd set tiebreaker decider
    Baylor beats Texas Tech in 3rd set tiebreaker decider
    Oklahoma beats Baylor in 3rd set tiebreaker decider

    college tennis at its best. These teams felt the joy and the pain.
     
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    haha very cool sequence
     
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    did a 5th/6th place match yesterday for a DIII Conference, the match went 5-4, the winning team came back from a 4-2 deficit winning final 2 matches in 3rd set after being down a set, final match was a break at 4-4 in the 4rd set. Winning team celebrated as if they won the title, fun stuff to see.
     
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    Really nice pictures, thanks
     
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    it's beyond my comprehension how can a well established coach like B.Martin can recruit that kid,when everywhere eles turned him down.. maybe he's stepping into the dark-side .. UCLA has some of the classiest players on their starting roster .. but this new guy is bringing the real ugly side into college tennis .especially into this program,with its great history..
    and now B.Martin is sandbagging at the #1 spot.. i didn't think coach Smith would have put in a formal protest about it,but how did it happen in the first place..
     
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    So many cheaters in college tennis :(
     
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    How did a thread that started like this:

    Evolve into this....

     
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    3. Slim Hamza (UTAH) def. #13 Daniel Nguyen (USC) 3-6, 7-6 (7-4), 13-11

    http://utahutes.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/stats/2011-2012/usc.html

    This match ended when Nguyen called the ball out and the ref overturned the call. Match over. There was absolutely no argument from the USC coaches. Everyone was watching this match at this point as it was the last one to finish.

    Nguyen called another ball out on an earlier match point that probably didn't even touch the line. The ref didn't overturn that one. The USC coaches watching on the side looked a little embarressed after this call. Sort of looked pretty hard at their player. Everyone knew it was well in.
     
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    Llompart winning in front of a hostile crowd to secure the upset is just about the best college sport can get. Of course ESPNU will keep showing Valparaiso softball(seriously I saw that on the other day).

    Great great match between Pepperdine and UGA. It's great to see the Pepperdine players not be initmidated. Fanselow and Llompart came through and Sofaer played lights out in doubles.
     
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    Right there with you Clemson, I couldn't believe they were showing a regional (yes regional) NCAA playoff of women's softball. Sure that bolstered the ratings. Do you know, are semis and finals on ESPNU or ESPN3? I couldn't find tennis on either one for 21st or 22nd. I may need to persuade a local bartender (with a zillion stations) to have it on.
     
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    Only on ncaa.com streaming. No live TV at all this year.
     
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    :( I hope they at least have sound, very hard to get into it without it. Thanks ClarkC.
     
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    I hope so too but always expect the worst when the ncaa is concerned
     
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    It's really too bad. The women's championship last year was such a thriller, especially for those in my camp. Stinks that only the diehards tuning in will get the experience and not the casual fans.
     
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    The streaming of the finals will be different from all earlier rounds. At ncaa.com, it will not be based on webcams. The Turner Sports crew from Atlanta is contracted to film and supply the stream. We will see how much difference that makes tomorrow.
     
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    Not of the same importance as it was only a consolation match but MTSU vs VT this past weekend was a match to remember. 5 of the 6 singles matches went to 3 sets and 3 of them were at 4-4 or 5-5 in the 3rd all at one time. MTSU pulled it out with two 3rd set tie-breakers. They needed both and got them to pull the upset. I also think a match in any sport is more epic if it ends in the upset.
     
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    I have to weigh in on this. As far as boys go,I can unequivolcally tell you that if you are looking for any return on your investment from a tuition perspective, then you will most likely be disappointed. Most boys, even 4* star boys will get little to no tennis money at the fully funded programs. There are more than enough 5*s and foreigners to take up the big tennis money. At smaller D1 programs, some D2 and NAIA programs, and occasionally JUCO programs there is more money available. However, you will most likely NEVER see a financial return worth crowing about.
    However, it is so much more than that. My son is winding down his junior career. He has played since he was 10 years old. At 14 he decided he would like to get serious about training and traveling. He enrolled in a distance learning program for high school and the journey began. Over the past 4 years, I have spent nearly $70,000 on lessons, clinics, equipment, clothes, hotels, tournament fees, food, gas and God knows what else. I have sacrificed countless weekends to travel to such exotic places as Greenville MS, Taylors SC, Huntsville AL, and Rome GA. I have sat on metal folding chairs in the wind and cold. There have been rain delays, unbearable August heat waves, and who knows how many Subway sandwiches. And the end result......
    My son will attend an out of state university and play upper level Division 3 tennis. That's right D3. No tennis money. None. He had several lower level D1 and D2 coaches that really wanted him and some would have even given some tennis money. But it just wasnt the right fit at those places. In the end, he had to make his own choice about where was the best fit for him. I say that because it's very easy for parents and players alike to become so fixated on making D1 that they lose sight of the big picture. There is no glory in being the 14th guy on a 14 man roster just so you can say you play at "State U". Just as it makes no sense to go to some middle of nowhere directional school that just happens to be the 7th best team in the conference just so you can say you play D1. My son has friends who have done both and these situations will inevitably lead to burnout. Remember, college is an experience. It's not just books and essays. It is about making friendships, meeting contacts, and developing into a productive member of our society.
    So what do I have to show for all of this time, money, and effort? More than I could have ever imagined. The memories and experiences I have made with my child over the past 4 years have been the single greatest blessing of my adult life. We have shared the incredible highs of victory and the tearful hugs of defeat. The lessons that he has learned over this time have been invaluable to his development. Independence, discipline, and organization are all skills that will serve him well in his future endeavours. Watching him handle adversity and occaisional disagreements with others have been a perfect training ground for life and offered many teachable moments. He has matured into not only a great player but a great human being. That, at least to me, is worth every penny.
    In closing, it CANNOT be just about a scholarship or other financial reward. To minimize the experience to just that shortchanges the incredible journey that tennis can lead us on and all of the other wonderful things it can offer outside the lines.
     
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    Sorry. My previous post was meant for another thread. Silly me.
     
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    good post, drfrank. thanks for sharing your experiences!
     
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    drfrankfree. I've been there with you, literately. You're boy and your family have made a great choice. Good to see that he is continuing his tennis and going to get a top notch education.
     
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    Thanks drfrankfree!!!! GREAT POST!!! Im already tired of Subway and were just getting started.....
     
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    My son swam and is now a freshman in college and a non-athlete after getting several offers to swim at Div 3 and lower Div 1 programs (for no money). He decided swimming was over.

    My main memory is fun drives around the country roads of Indiana enjoying times you could never get otherwise. And he learned so much in areas of self-discipline, leadership as a senior etc.

    If you are a parent of a younger athlete enjoy every minute and do not fixate on what comes next.
     
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    Subway should be the official sponsor of college athletics. On the road you can count on eating Subway at least once a day. Darn per diems!
     
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    At the ITA regional in Bloomington they give out an info sheet and the nearest Subway is included (no other food establishments are)
     
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    Bumping this thread for more great moments this season. There will surely be some as the season goes on. I looked back on the two big moments I posted about from 2012. What great moments in the Big 12 that season
     
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    A great moment from Oregon Friday as they beat Washington.

     
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    I thought I read that the fans stormed the court after the match too.
     
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    today they beat Boise as well.
    Wow.
     
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    the player at the genesis of this thread, Gonzalo Escobar is now ranked 320 in the ATP and is 36-2 this year in futures in South America. He just beat Estrella (ranked 69) in the 2nd round of a challenger.
     
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    damn....that's impressive. This shows once again that the level of college tennis has gotten incredibly high over the last years.
    There are so many former college players in the top 500 it's unreal. I'm actually curious about the actual number...do u guys know that?
     
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    This is an old list. Search the site for an updated one.

    http://www.collegetennisonline.com/Tennis/NewsDetail.aspx?nwId=48456
     
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    Thanks TopDawg. To sum up:
    5 in the top 100
    13 in the top 200
    48 in the top 500

    Interesting, but not unexpected, that in the WTA only 15 in the top 500 played college tennis.
     
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    Columbia vs Notre Dame from this past weekend
     
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