What do you hate about the top 4?

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  1. Zarfot Z

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    NOTE: This thread is entirely opinionated.

    Federer - Oftentimes doesn't give his opponent enough credit, always chalks losses to his bad performance. Smells of implied arrogance and superiority - his 15 jacket and this commercial is proof enough of that.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQbyDGHlTd4

    Nadal - Celebrates like a raving lunatic after winning each point. Has in the past attempted to disrupt the flow of play when a match wasn't going his way. Boring play style (moonball, moonball, moonball, etc...) Picks his butt.

    Djokovic - Frequently smashes rackets and swears in Serbian. Bad habit of quitting a losing match by faking heatstrokes. Very loud and awful sounding grunt.

    Murray - Ugly serve and forehand. Often waits for his opponent to make to make an error instead of attacking. Worse on court behavior out of the top 4. Takes his anger out on the ball boys. Really sh*tty personality overall and deadpan humor.
     
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    You should have a poll just with their names since you already posted the reasons below. :)
     
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  3. Zarfot Z

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    Point is for you to post your reasons too. A poll would therefore be completely obsolete.
     
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    hmmm, but what if we would have picked a player for a reason you have already gaven?
     
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    okay, I give in. I would pick Murray for the reasons you stated. Except for the the serve. His serve is quite powerful and its service motion has some type of appeal that I find charming in some awkward type of way.
     
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    Djokovic, Federer, Murray, Nadal - I am better than all of them, yet they are famous and make a lot more money than me...



















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  7. Strategy

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    I agree with most of what you said, but I don't hate them for it.
     
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    Nobody has to hate anyone. We're just stating what we hate about them.

    Ok here I go:

    Federer: Arrogance. Lack of visible fighting spirit. I know he wants to win, and I know he's a warrior, else he couldn't have won 17 GS. But he never shows it. I can understand why he keeps up a poker face on the court, but even in interviews he just keep smiling with that same unaffected smug grin on his face. Damn it, show me that you want to win! You have to have some amazing will power if you keep up training this hard for so long, show it ffs.

    Nadal: Horrible playing style. Takes all the speed out of the game. I know it's effective, but damn. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets bored while playing, I'd get sick and tired of playing like that and just try and smack a few winners now and then just to feel alive again. And I suspect that he uses PEDs

    Djokovic: Tries way too hard to be funny (and fails in my opinion). Luckily he's doing it less and less. What's with the chest-beating celebration? He should stop acting like a monkey. If I won something so important I would be either crying on the ground or just looking up at the crowd in disbelief. I also don't like how he seems to hit all of his shot with a lot of topspin. It's hard to explain this, but for example when Nadal hits a ball hard, although it has a lot of topspin, you can still see that he put a lot of power in it. But with Djokovic I don't really feel that power, if he puts the ball away it is fast, but I still don't feel like he really smacks it. Anyone else have this feeling with him?

    Murray: Ugly forehand. A bit passive game although it's become more interesting over the last couple of years. The most boring personality I have ever seen in my entire life. His celebration after he won his first GS was absurd, I feel like it was almost insulting to the tournament. How can you finally win something after working so hard and failing so many times and still have such a "whatever" look on your face?
     
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    Fed has the ugliest nose on this planet plus his body hair is so fugly.
    Muzza teeth are gross.
    Nadal has no brain.
    Djoko is perfect.

    there you go.
     
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    Federer: When things get tough he seems to give up more than he rises to the occasion. Compare the amount of big match 5 set wins he has to how many people like Nadal and Djokovic have.
    Nadal: Prone to getting blown off the court by a big hitter having a good day.
    Djokovic: a little too arrogant sometimes, but mostly I don't mind it. Also he has the worst smash I've ever seen from a pro.
    Murray: On court attitude is terrible, and I hate how his celebrations are so muted. He hardly reacted after winning the olympics and the USO.
     
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    You mistake confusion. Smug arrogant is of Nose Potato. = Swiss. Federer.
    Clay fast. Not Sampras era.
    Nadal ability to win 4 slams.
     
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  14. zagor

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    So why does only Fed warrant a video?

    Here, let me help you out regarding Nadal:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29EV2I5wt3U

    P.S. That jacket was Nike's idea, Fed didn't even know about it.
     
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    So you think Federer came to Netjets (or whatever) saying "Gee guys, I'd really like to show all my GS trophies in a commercial"? Believing that anything anyone does in commercials is representative of how they are privately is rather naive. And that commercial is more tongue-in-cheek than anything else.
     
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    The guy is appalling - the way he screams at himself/everybody/whatever after almost every point is ridiculous and a massive turn-off. I would rather cheer for a half-digested beetroot.

    Big Fed fan, can appreciate the criticism that he comes across as arrogant.

    Never really thought much of Nadal - obviously one of the greats, not sure much is going on upstairs and his particular brand of OCD doesn't do it for me.

    Djokovic's celebrations are a bit over the top but overall he's growing on me.
     
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  17. Magnus

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    What do I hate about the top 4? Nadal.
     
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    the endless matches (+3 hours in a best of 3 final, looks like club level tournaments)... something is wrong with the "modern game"
     
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    Yep, nothing portrays Federer’s humility better than this tone-deaf Netjets commercial showing him declining help while he tugs a wagon filled with all his trophies to his private jet. What could be more humble?
     
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    I don't of course hate ANY of the top 4. What's to hate about any of them? They're all great players and, as far as I'm concerned, their matches are always fun to watch.

    I will say that as a long-standing Federer and Murray fan, I am frustrated when they both fail to win when they should do, eg.

    Federer's 2010 and 2011 AO semi-finals v Djokovic.

    Murray's 2011 Rome semi v Djokovic and, most recently, his 2012 Tokyo semi v Raonic and now his 2012 Shanghai final v Djokovic.

    Of the top 4, Federer and Murray both seem to be the ones who more often squander chances to win matches.
     
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    That is because Fed puts himself under winning positions so many times. It appears they are not clutch, based on the few losses they have had,but to be fair a better indicator is an overall win-loss %.
     
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    Fed praises the top 3 much more than what we think. He has 17 majors, the other 3 put together have that much. Yet, we want him to say that the other 3 are great players ?

    He believes off-court confidence translates into on-court performance, Hence he will be the one to say 'It is my match to win or lose' , rather than say 'I will have to put up one of my best performances to have a chance'.

    He praises the top 4 a lot. After the loss to Murray yesterday he didnt say he played badly.. "I think he's playing really well now since a long time, not just six months. He's been playing well for years now. He's in his prime right now, so you assume he's playing his absolute best at this very moment".
     
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    Federer - Careless comments sometimes, could be a better loser sometimes, habbit of blowing matches when he hits the panic button. Terrible challenges with hawkeye. Can get tetchy on court when things are not going his way.

    Nadal - Slow between points and takes his own sweet time in coming to the net to start match etc which is disrespectful. Game can be boring, constantly brings up injuries but insists on playing as much as possible, gets tetchy on court when the going gets tough and bullies officials sometimes. Makes clay season uninteresting :lol:

    Djokovic - Too much chest beating. Has become toomuch of a grinder. Takes too long between points. Ruined his own serve.

    Murray - Attitude, personality, game.. ahh too much to list :lol:
     
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    Federer: brattish arrogance about him, expects everything to be set up for him, that disgusting jacket at Wimbledon when he beat Roddick and rubbed his nose in it. Smug. His supporters who wear RF garments all over the place.

    Nadal: Not a lot actually. I object to his choice of commercial endorsements but he's not a player I hate much about.

    Djokovic: His refusal to ever know he's beaten!

    Murray: his desire to berate himself so loudly - too hard on himself and demands too much perfection. He's only human.

    In terms of all the personalities, the only one I can genuinely say I am not overly keen on is Federer. The other 3 have their moments but none seem intrinsically dislikable. To me anyway.
     
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    Federer (my favourite player): I would say that I sometimes hate it when it doesn't look like he's trying even though I know he is ex: Wimb 2011 against Tsonga. I can also see where some would say he's a little arrogant, but I like his honesty. He's said before, something like, why should I pretend that I'm not the favourite going into some matches when everybody knows I am? (i.e he's not Nadal.) I feel like I'm lieing to the fans, and it doesn't make sense. That jacket was also not his fault. A better example could be used, like say, his 2011 USO SF press conference after his loss to Novak.

    Nadal: I would say I don't like his style of play. On top of this I've questioned a fair few of his MTO's, and he even went as far as to go to the bathroom when Federer served for the match in IW this year. I also grow tired of the endless injury excuses from his fans, but I guess I shouldn't take take this out on Rafa himself although he's not exactly clear of it either.

    Djokovic: Djokovic is hard to get a grasp on because it's almost as if there are 2 versions of him. I don't like the fact that he gives up sometimes when he's down in a match. Ex: Cincy and DC last year, as well as Wimbledon 07, MC 08, and AO 09. He sometimes overdoes it on the celebrations too.

    Murray: I was happy for him when he won his first slam, but I'd like it if everyone from now on would stop feeling sorry for the guy. Never liked his on court attitude. He's got a pretty dry sense of humour, but I think you'd have to get to know him. Gets down on himself way too easily, even to the point of shouting at different people like his coaches box or himself. I swear a lot, I'll be the first to admit that, but it's not that cool on national television. He should probably stop that. Especially hate the way he grabs at body parts whenever he loses a point, and then he's fine all of a sudden when things are going good.

    That's pretty much it.
     
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    I'd rather focus on what I like:
    - Fed: not much, his records I guess.
    - Djoko: his game, the way he smiles and claps for opponents during matches, his emotional reactions and his humor off the court
    - Nadal: pretty much everything :) (his game, his personality, his physicality and his intensity/ passion on the court)
    - Murray: his game on hard court when he's not too defensive, his low key/laidback attitude after a win or a loss.
     
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  27. tennisaddict

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    What i hate

    Fed - Zilch

    Nadal - Moonballing, 'It is going to be a difficult match, no ?'

    Nole - Endless grindfest with Nadal and Murray, when he clearly has the game to end the rally. Hate him for the 2 USO semi finals against Fed, more so 2011.

    Murray - his on-court demeanor, boring game (getting better though this year) as compared to Fed and Nole
     
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  28. Zarfot Z

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    This thread isn't about that. If you want to praise your idols, post another thread.
     
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    @Merwy. I see what you mean with djokovic's FH and BH. Although he's hitting unbelievable spin and power,I dont feel the force of his shots when he's playing but his racket head speed is pretty amazing but now with brute force like DelPo or Tsonga.
     
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    Fed: he's aging and I want him to stay forever
    Nadal: Takes too long for serve, bottles arrangement, toilet breaks, injury break (did I forget anything?). And it's hard to keep up with what he says in interview (that getting better tho i think)
    Djokovic: also long serve routine. try hard comedian although he ocasionally gives some nice laughs. Also wins too much
    Murray: I like him, which makes his on court tantrum and final losses all the more irritating. Also jealous of his hot girlfriend
     
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    Fed is old, unsharp and with no real winning spirit.
    Djoko has too many lazy downfalls to his 1.0/1.5 forms.
    Murray is still immature on court and not too interesting.
    Nadal? don't remember.
     
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    Roger - his general lack of self confidence and unwillingness to talk about himself. C'mon Sexi - maybe just a few words?

    Rafa - the way he rushes between points and unwillingness to adjust himself. C'mon Humble Golden Bull, maybe just a little tug on the solomons?

    Novak - his lack of national pride and unwillingness to show emotion when winning things. C'mon Serbinator, maybe just a little fist pump or adje?

    Murray - his inability to display the effects of his injuries and his 'iceman' refusal to display his negative emotions on court. C'mon New Fang, maybe just a bit more heart on sleeve?
     
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    Odd, as this is one of the things that I find endearing in Djokovic. I like them to show their emotion on the court, especially when they lose a key point as he did this past weekend.

    For me, it goes:

    Federer - Doesn't show much emotion on the court. He can be winning in straights or losing in straights and you really cannot tell. Sure, on occasion he gives a fist pump, but I'd like to see more.

    Nadal - As mentioned before me, the butt-picking and the 35-40 seconds between points. Speed it up a little.

    Djokovic - At present, nothing. I used to dislike him the most of any top 10 player, but I've come to appreciate and enjoy his athleticism and fight/determination over the last 2 years. Maybe the 30 bounces of the ball before serving, but he seems to have cut that down as well.

    Murray - Choking. Yes, he finally won two big matches this summer (Olympics & US), but I'm still not convinced. I like to see a final where the outcome is still up in the air. You know with the other 3, they can all play their best, and it's still a '?' in the win column. With Murray, not so much. But he's improving...
     
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  34. Alchemy-Z

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    Hate...hmm

    FED: when he looks like he doesn't care and goes into super shank mode. Blames poor play for loss.
    NOVAK: Get annoyed with the crowd lets outside things bother him to frustration. Fakes injury
    MURRAY: Looks as if he has given up Fakes Injury
    NADAL: Loses confidence in his serve and puff balls it...winces in agonizing Pain when he loses a point.

    but then again I guess being the top four is never mentally letting yourself know you lost a match playing 100%....

    and maybe that's key?
     
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    Nadal - everything about him

    Federer - sounds arrogant at times (but has improved in the last years), going from GOATmode to crap mode after his opponent shows some fightint spirit (Ferrer excluded), too up and down (see above - even if his opponent DOESN'T show any fighting spirit)

    Djokovic - wants to please the crowd too much, has become too much of a grinder but is a pleasure to watch when in "aggressive" mode

    Murray - screaming and shouting after he losses every point, then if he wins he shows no emotion (like he expected himself to win)
     
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    Perfect in what way? I guess that I do understand what you mean in that he sometimes seems to hit every ball in and not make any mistakes at all. But outside of tennis I don't think he's that perfect. Federer feels way more perfect to me. Djokovic shows a lot of emotion, gets angry often. I also think he has a very fragile looking body, but this goes maybe even more for Federer. Why don't they work out a bit more to get a strong body like Murray?
     
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    Yep. We need to see him in a final that goes to 5, preferably with Murray having been 2 sets up. Let's see how he deals with that.
     
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    PMSL. I got the drift in the second para. I was about to do something on these lines but your was mucho better.
     
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    Well he has made it a lot more accurate in exchange of power. He's like a machine now, as if he can literally hit it at the exact spot that he wants to hit it.
     
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    His first set of the Cincy final was rubbish but I wouldn't say he gave up. How can you call it giving up when he was so close to taking that 2nd set? Obviously he put up a fight, he made the tiebreak go to 10-8 iirc. And are you talking about the DC match against Del Potro?? Umm.. wasn't he very injured there? I recall him having to stop and sort of having to be carried of the court by his teammates. Here, I found the vid:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR9H-4wVGLs&t=15m0s
    Unless he faked all of that but.. why would he?


    So you like everyone's game except Federer's??? That's pretty funny since Federer has the most beautiful game known to mankind (this isn't even an hyperbole).
     
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    Federer - His inconsistency now a days! He is Goderer for 10 mins, then turns to ******** or Shankerer for next hr and then Craperer for the remaining time.
    Nadal - Style of play is not that appealing.
    Novak - same as nadal but i like his personality a lot.
    Murray - Constant swearing and constantly getting frustated (though its entertaining :D )
     
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    Nadal = name them...
    Federer = Man Purses
    Murray = Cmoningnationizations extremis
    Djokovic = his lunatic Family flocking him around
    all 4 = their fans at TT??
     
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    Murray - face
    Federer - Nadal
    Nadal - Federer
    Djokovic - hair
     
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    Fed - Overrated

    Nadal - Killed tennis

    Nole - Saved tennis

    Muzza - LOL
     
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    I dislike them because they've all become too predictable (but it's really not their fault). Couple that with homogenous surfaces and you have a boring game. Do we really want to see a 10-12 stroke rally...EVERY point?

    I loved the days when substantially different surfaces required significant adjustments to one's game in order to find a way to win, in spite of the conditions being in your favor or not (how was Borg able to dominate on 2 dramatically different surfaces - slow clay and fast grass?). It was more about competition than about ensuring the big 4 make it to the semis to protect tournament revenue.
     
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  46. sportsfan1

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    Federer: Lately, I don't know when he's trying or when he's come in undercooked on practice - errors off both sides in Rome, Shanghai, etc. Maybe the plan is to not try too much outside the majors?

    Djokovic - Needs to tone down the celebrations, a lot, and not try so hard. For how to win fans without trying - see Fed and Nadal :).

    Murray - Comes across real nerdy, especially when receiving serve.
     
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  47. Towser83

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    She obviously likes more lengthy defence based games, its personal choice. for many people including me federer's game is much more entertaining tp watch than the other top 4 players but its all about personal preference.
     
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    Federer: His will to not win sometimes, as if he just gave up. Plus, I think he's a bit too arrogant at times, referenced by his short handshakes when he loses.

    Djokovic: The only things I don't like about him are the excessive ball bouncing and beating his chest like a miniature version of King Kong.

    Murray: Passive game, low 1st serve percentage, and the screaming.

    Nadal: Used to be the boring game, unsportsmanlike behavior. Now, it's just NSK.
     
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    I was talking about Cincy in 2011, not this year, and the DC, yes it's true he was carried off the court. I just don't like that the guy had to lose a set before he stopped playing. If he was that injured he would've stopped before he fell behind a set and (I think) a break. Then people may actually think he was injured instead of thinking he quit because he was losing. I'm not saying most people think like that, I'm saying that perception is a dangerous thing.
     
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    Their money and success :evil:
     
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