What do you think of Jo11yroger's Forehand take back?

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  1. Mansewerz

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  2. kelz

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    I think it's a bit loopy.

    (Good catch at 0:25 btw)
     
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  3. RestockingTues

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    Definitely a good catch at 0:25, that looks like a RestockingTues moment. The take back is pretty big for my taste, but GREAT rackethead speed :D
     
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  4. J011yroger

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    Overly long.

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  5. Mansewerz

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    So when people say they have long loop strokes, Jo11y's is a good picture?

    That helps in topspin as well, no?
     
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  6. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

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    And preparation is STILL too late.

    *Sigh*

    J
     
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  7. Mansewerz

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    Oh Jo11y, in case you didn't see, I decided to give you your identity back.


    Also, watching the vid the second thru, as you said, made it less choppy and made it smoother. It also allowed me to see your "catch" at 0:25 :D
     
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  8. samster

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    Loopy take-back but he's got good timing, so it's alright!
     
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  9. samster

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    Like dating, it's all about timing...
     
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  10. Rui

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    I am not at all fond of that contact point. About a foot closer to the net would suit me better. It would allow a smoother shoulder rotation and better power transfer. Also it would free up your topspin.
     
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  11. J011yroger

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    ^^^ Agreed, it goes hand in hand, late preparation, leads to late contact.

    It is tough though, because when I hit in front of me, I generate an absolutely wicked ball, and nobody besides 2-3 of my hitting partners can get it back reliably.

    So I end up easing up in drills, and forming bad habits that carry over into matches.

    And preparing late, and hitting late, ad infinitum.

    Shoring up the FH is one of my primary goals for the winter, preparing earlier and hitting out in front more.

    So hopefully I can keep taking video and tracking progress with the high speed.

    J
     
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  12. J011yroger

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    Believe it or not, this abomination I have going on now is twice as good as my FH was comming off my wrist injury last year.

    J
     
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  13. J011yroger

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    Incase you didn't notice I just uploaded a short clip from a different viewpoint, but I could only put up a very short clip because I have maxxed out my 500mb weekly upload limit on Vimeo.

    J
     
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  14. J011yroger

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    Squeeked one more clip on there.

    Might possibly be able to fit a third short one.

    J
     
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  15. FitzRoy

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    The two balls in that last clip are absolute bullets. Is that your typical groundstroke pace, or were you going for those more than normal?
     
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  16. halalula1234

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    ouch the ball bounced onto ur face at 0:28
     
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  17. J011yroger

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    I am goofy looking to begin with so no harm could be done!

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  18. J011yroger

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    For me on a hard court, that would be the speed of my normal attacking ball. So harder and flatter than my neutral rally ball, that is the shot I hit when I have a good look at the ball and want to press the issue.

    Not a go for a winner shot, but I like to bury that ball in a corner, and look to end the point on my next shot.

    Obviously there I was drilling, so hit it back to my partner instead of into a corner.

    J
     
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  19. Rui

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    Don't worry about your hitting partners. If you become too tough, they'll brag about playing with you.
     
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  20. Rickson

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    What I noticed with Jo11y was that he hits in an open stance and jumps a bit on his forehand with no noticeable weight transfer yet his forehand is just as powerful as someone who shifts his weight. Jo11y's forehand is Gonzalez like in that sense.
     
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  21. Pet

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    What a disaster! No coordination. You need relax.
     
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  22. Recon

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    Is it only me??? it says highspeed, but the vid goes in super slow mo for me. Normal? lol?
     
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  23. stormholloway

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    I think high speed refers to the frames of the camera. What kind of camera is this again?
     
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  24. SaunderS

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    I find it quite irritating when people spin there racket when waiting for the ball. but great strokes.
     
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  25. J011yroger

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    Franks, and beans!

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  26. J011yroger

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    You just don't know what high speed video is.

    I am sure it is not only you.

    This may help.

    J
     
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  27. J011yroger

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  28. J011yroger

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    Funny that nobody ever mentions it in real life, and lots of people do when watching the video.

    Never realized how much I did it until I saw myself on video.

    OCD at work I guess.

    J
     
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  29. Rickson

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    Jo11y, where's that slice backhand?
     
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  30. SJP

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    One of my coaches used to say that about everyone. Actually to describe many american players it is true...very technical and as a result a little on the stiff side. That is the way many americans play football (soccer) also. They can get things done on the court of course but it is not as light on the feet or as smooth as it could be. Not to generalize but any chance you are either Spanish or Latin American?!
     
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  31. J011yroger

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    Hit one in high speed but was off the screen.

    I will look through and see if I can find a short clip, but Vimeo only lets me upload 500mb per week and I am almost totally used up, I only have like room for 15 secs of video left.

    I can put up the one hander too.

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  33. Kokopelli

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    That's true. Guilty as charged. I had hit with him and could not stop gushing about how good he was to my friends.
     
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  34. Rickson

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    That Bulgarian cat said he'd play you and when I told him your credentials, he took it as a good challenge. My money's on you, but the Bulgarian cat's quick from his table tennis days.
     
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  35. Kokopelli

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    What are you talking about? I noticed a lot of weight shifting. On Jolly's forehand, his body did a counter-clockwise circular rotation and the right foot moved from behind to front at the finish. That's massive circular + linear shifting right there!!!

    I hit with Jolly before. From my perspective on the other side of the net, I didn't notice that he has a huge take back at all. What I noticed was the massive swing and finish - I was able to actually see the racket head on the right side of his body when he finished the forehand.

    One thing I didn't see anyone mentioned was Jolly's backhand. Under slow motion, it has this "pushing" action going on at the point of contact, doesn't it? Is this "textbook" good, or a flaw?
     
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  36. amx13

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    Nice video!, I think both shots look nice. One piece of advice though, Im in the proccess of changing from a 1 handed to a 2 HBH, and the first thing my pro told me is that I should fully extend my arms on contact...yours seem to be a bit flex when hitting the ball. Same thing with your forehand, maybe trying to change the contact point a little bit more in front of your body would help.

    I though that quality of HS video would only be possible to get with a big and expensive video camera...you got it with a small digital one? Thats great!
     
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  37. J011yroger

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    It looks like pushing just because both arms are bent, I hate it. Want to concentrate on getting the left arm straight, but I bend it because I take the racquet back too far.

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  38. J011yroger

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    I hate the bent arms, but it is Soooo much easier on my wrist.

    Working towards straighter arms, and more compact takebacks. Video will be a good indicator of progress.

    J
     
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  39. J011yroger

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    Sounds like a plan, tell him to train hard all winter. For in the springtime The Jolly takes on all challengers.

    J
     
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  40. mtommer

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    Wow, I'm impressed with the video image quality. Especially as it's not a dedicated video camera. **sigh** I wish I could actually afford a decent camera.
     
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  41. tennisfreak15347

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    hey j011yr0ger, just wondering, what FH grip do you use? that's a huge backswing you've got there :)
     
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  42. J011yroger

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    Are they talking about my huge backswing in the ladies locker room again? :oops:


    I float between extreme eastern and full western depending on the shot, Most balls I hit with a very strong semi to weak western. My index knuckle usually sits on the bevel between SW and W.

    I will put up a pic of my FH grip, 1,000 words and all.

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  43. J011yroger

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    Here you go.

    [​IMG]

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  44. pabletion

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    Arent you a touchy fella.... ;)
     
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  45. mtommer

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    Hey Jolly,

    In your "Look boys...." video there is a player on the next court at your opponents side. That player's strokes looked really smooth. Do you know the person?
     
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  46. samster

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    Looking at that stringbed with full Luxilon ALU setup makes my elbow hurt!
     
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  47. stormholloway

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    I second that. It's pure masochism. He needs to let the sunshine in and buy some gut.
     
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  48. Dreamer

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    From that picture you're actually young. The video made you look like davydenko.

    But anyway, back to the FH take back. I actually have a lefty friend whose technique is similar except he doesn't jump. I can usually pressure him with deep, well paced shots to his forehand, but when he has time-- oh boy! he hits such a heavy ball.
     
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  49. Jonnyf

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    Hey Jo11y mate, What's your NTRP? :)

    the quality of those vids is good! You pleased with the camera?
     
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  50. Sup2Dresq

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    Finally videos!

    Thanks for sharing.

    First.. safely can say no way is that a 110mph forehand.

    Next.. just curious. but all the other videos posted at what is suppose to be regular speed seems a bit sketchy. The peeps on all the other courts are moving around like cheetahs.. and what really sticks out is the peeps on the far right.. looks like a path or some field (before the road and cars). Are they walking or playing soccer. Seems maybe its a bit sped up. Some choppy moments where you move your head to look at your racquet after the point is over that looks quite rapid.

    Is it the camera or is it something with the speed.

    Again even sped up .. no way 110mph forehand. Then again Im sure you weren't trying... .right?

    Still thanks for the video. You seem a bit unbalanced? Is it something you are working at? Technique is pretty interesting on both wings.

    Like the all black look.
     
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