What do you think of Jo11yroger's Forehand take back?

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  1. Rickson

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    Not even modern martial artists can strike with the quickness Bruce Lee possessed. You can't say that about any other sport or artform. Bruce Lee really was the quickest martial artist ever and that's saying a lot for someone who died 35 years ago.
     
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    No, not overly long. It's more of a circle like this OOOO.. Your preperation looks like you are going to hit a serve. Your racquet face should not face the sky and make a circular motion. It should face the back fence and the swing pattern should stay level like this ------------------. Just like your backhand. Or low to high if topspin is your thing. Never High and a circular motion though. I'm sure this will be one ear out the other though.
     
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    Just watched Jolly's forehand takeback (at the top it looks more like a serve than a forehand) and it looks very like the one I am working hard to get rid of. For me the problem with it were:

    - such a big and high takeback just takes too long to execute and so I am late on the ball too often - expecially when playing on fast surfaces.

    - taking the racquet head behind the line of the shoulders seems to cause problems with racquet head control. Apparently the brain tends to lose track of what the arm / hand are doing when they get behind the line of the shoulders). In my case (and I think Jolly's from trying to pause the video) this meant I was opening the racquet face at the back of the take-back. While this usually corrected during the forward swing it was a hitch which could cause inconsistant hitting.
     
  5. NoBadMojo

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    ha! the guy actually hits a decent forehand. people could learn from him...:)

    This is a great observation especially coming from someone who is both 'old' and a 'hacker'. ;) many many people dont have a good notion of what their racquethead is doing, and have better luck in their swings which concentrate more on what theiur racquet hand is doing

    I agree that Jollys takeaway and stroke is waaaay too long on the forehand..he's got a serious disconnect from his racquet hand to his racquethead and the stroke just cant be reliable in its present state. the backswing is also done wrong on the backhand. his racquet ready position isnt deep enough in the backswing and he goes from no backswing to a full backswing and forewards swing and followthru more or less all in one motion which aint gonna get it done...the takeaway to racquet ready position on his forehand is also wrong. he need to think more along the line of racquet ready than racquet back, and to find a more efficient racquet ready position on both his fh and bh

    So Jolly, i was curious so I did look at your most current video. Looks like what I told you somewhile ago about taking small steps you've incorporated..you're doing it backwards however. If you are still working w. Pauly P, ask him to give you some drills to get the footwork down, especially the small steps. Also you are far too upright in your movement and simply can not get an explosive first step to the ball by doing it the way you are doing it...all of this stuff is easily fixed and i am quite suprised since you keep telling people how you employ world class coaches, that they wouldnt at least get you doing better movement to the ball..if you come down this way to work with paulyP, i could get you on the right track for a lot less money than what you are paying your coaching staff...dont think you would need your mental coach either since you said you have one of those.

    See that you have totally revamped your backhand..it's not nearly as loopy, but your planes are all off...those being your feet alignment, coupled with what your shoulders are doing, and coupled with your swing path...they are ALL fighting one another. i think <based on what i saw> your backhand is or will give you a wrist problem. you also tend to bend too much from the back rather than the legs

    Think you must need tons of work on your volley since you were bragging about hitting one successful one. I enjoy teaching the volley and can usually get someone volleying to the best of their ability in a short period of time..it's something people either have a quick ability for, or arent going to have much of an ability for at all

    Dont recall ever seeing your serves. or service returns, but based upon what i've seen on your groundies, i think i could seriously improve your service return in a short period of time

    I stand by what i said earlier about your rating, but can tell you've been putting the work in which is great. Your inability to sustain a ralley contributes greatly to my eval. i can tell you hit the ball hard and with spin, but very inconsistently because your footwork and movement isnt right and your swings arent grooved unless the ball comes to an easy place for you to hit. you also need a bit more net clearance on your ralley balls and should work in creating at least a little bit of variety in your stroke production. you also dont hit any sliced backhands in your video, and i would suggest you work to develop a reliable sliced backhand. i did see a video from you before hitting a sliced backhand, but dont think you can be hitting those <if you still do> the same way because it wouldnt work at all with your new backhand, and your old sliced backhand should be completely broken down and reassembled anyway

    hope this helps..BTW, both PaulyP and I both excel at being pickled, and I've lately been drinking New Amsterdam Gin in advance of your visit when I usually drink K1 rocks twist <FYI for when you are buying> w. a side of Coconut Water or Emergen-C...dehydrate and rehydrate all at the same time ;O
     
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    If you really wanted to help Jo11y, there wouldn't be so many cheapshots in that post.
     
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    So are you saying you are unbalanced, uncoordinated and have ugly strokes.
    I like your forehand stroke better than your backhand. Is your forehand your best shot? Did you play any sports besides tennis growing up? I think I will be surprised with heavy ball you hit with that club 14.3 you call a racquet on your forehand. I never hit with anyone who used ploy and a 14+ weight racquet. I still can't believe Pete used a 14.1 and you use a 14.3 which is nuts my arm is hurting and wrist just thinking about trying to swing that club. I will put my topspin lefty forehand against any righty backhand or forehand.

    I am no lightweight at 209lbs but I still ran a 6:00 min mile two days after cycling 106 miles at 19mph average on a hilly route. I have slowed down with age since I use to run a 5:20 mile at 185 and 21 years old but still pretty quick for a old 35 man. Most people see me and try a drop shot a couple of times once I run up and put them away they stop using that shot on me. They don't know I run 7.5 miles everday use to play hockey and can move fast for my size. Please shoot some more video's from the other players side so I can see your depth and topspin on the ball.
    Also we can see you strokes from the front not the side view thanks.

    I like how everyone is putting down your playing level and everyone else who posted a video of their strokes. Pretty strokes doesn't equal a great match player. I seen players in warmup who's strokes like not great only to play great. I also seen players with great strokes only to have them break down during a match because of their head. All they think about is how great they look and miss the ball in the net but as long as they look good doing it they don't care. I beat this guy in a match and you know he started tallking to me at the net at the handshake and was telling me how to fix my strokes and how they stink. I was thinking to myself I just beat you and you should worry about your own game. People just crack me up.
     
  8. Bungalo Bill

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    Long and excessive. Over rotates and swings a bit too hard then is needed. Racquet head travels behind his back instead of staying on the same side of the body. Cant knock his results though.
     
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    Freddy, I know you're a big dude and a fellow weightlifter, but don't underestimate Jo11y. Personally, I'd like to see this matchup. Freddy with the weightlifting power and Jo11y with all that tournament experience. I think this would indeed be an interesting matchup.
     
  10. hyogen

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    what results? I looked up his results and he's has a 20% winning record...4/20 in open tourneys...losing handily to 4.0/4.5s... I don't see the need for the facade anymore. We all thought you were 5.5 or greater...that's why he's getting so much flak.... Just sell 17 of your 19 racquets. 18/20 of your black shirts, 18/20 of your black polos, 18/20 of your white shirts, 18/20 of your white polos, etc etc... lets bring back TTW to reality!

    J
     
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    ^^ Hey, to each his own... If he wants to have 20 racquets thats his problem I guess....
    Until you've actually played agains someone you really dont have any cred to judge, no matter what u see...
    but yes, anyone can pretend to be anything on the internet.....
     
  12. Bungalo Bill

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    Haha, I guess everyone has an opinion and takes things way to seriously. Put down the Jolt and answer this, have you competed in an Open tournament and at least won 4 matches in them?

    When I say results, I am not speaking of his tournament record, but that he climbed high enough in the USTA charts to even consider competing in open tournaments. Even if he loses to 4.5, he is still able to compete at that level which is most likely more than you have done.

    If we bring it back to TTW realitty, do we have to bring it back to YOUR reality? Playing at a 3.0 level is hardly reality [kidding]. However, like I said, everyone has an opinion. ;)

    Are you an Open Tournament player? If you are then I would like to know your record.
     
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    I didnt see any "cheap shots" in his evaluation, but it was a blunt and brutally honest critique which could harm someone thats sensitive to criticism. Theres people that coach like that, and more often than not these people simply know what theyre talking about and arent going to take any short cuts, or compliment just to be nice, and they get the job done for a player that can handle it, brush off any feelings and strictly attempt to get to work and improve
     
  14. hyogen

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    i've never claimed of having any sort of level. after looking at my videos you honestly think i play at a 2.5 level? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3nnKpAGJ_M

    You're the expert, so I'm not gonna argue with you. I just base my "level" on how people rank themselves at the club here.

    I've never claimed to have a 110mph forehand like Jolly ol' Rog here. Nor claimed to get to a semis of a tournament that only 5 people entered...and then lost in the first round badly. :x Nor do I create the facade of greatness... to acquire a bunch of internet fans? why, i'll never know.

    No, I am not an open tournament player. But from what I've read on this thread, ANYONE can join open tournaments...so I guess I will join someday ;)

    By the way......I like how you changed the 2.5 to a 3.0 in your post BB!!! Made me feel warm and fuzzy like a tennis ball inside!
     
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  15. mtommer

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    I know Jolly can and will speak on his own behalf but I still have to chime in. I can't personally recall a time where Jolly has implied such. From what I've seen, he's always made his passion for tennis quite clear and that passion has netted him some nice perks (like 100 bazillion free racquets). What it hasn't done is given him a high NTRP rating in actuality, only via that of perspective (which isn't to say he isn't, only that he hasn't declared such).

    While I understand many people have been curious they have also presumed based upon seeing "racquets" and that he gets them from Wilson (or lots of stuff - which he admits he buys). If you know the right people it can result in perks regardless of results - people are nice when you're nice to them. Some may question his "not dispelling the myth" (and that's only if you believe he is a low NTRP ranking based on only these few clips) but I've never noticed him cashing in on that myth. In other words, some people don't concern themselves so much with what others think, be it good or bad. Public opinion is often fleeting so it's not very important to some people, myself included. Can anyone actually show where Jolly has lied? Where he actually has misrepresented himself?
     
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    Yeah. It was a fair critique.

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    Now I know why people quote a post before they can go back and edit things. You were kidding? What am i doing to put my own spin on it? All I see is you backtracking.
     
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    Wow, Hyogen!! never seen you this upset on the boards. Interesting.......
     
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    Nice vid. Thanks


    Or 115 mph kickers. (although he did say they were mostly spinny serves)
     
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    could have been affected by one of my close friends dying in a car accident along with 3 of his friends this past weekend. Friends are real and they can be gone in an instant. I truly believe our life--long or short--is but a blink of an eye compared to what's to come, however. I'm fed up with fake bs. And I am sad for those who would scoff at my beliefs. Interesting how every single person in this life will without fail pray to higher being to spare their lives when they're on a sinking ship -.-
     
  21. NoBadMojo

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    thanks for saying this..means more coming from a good player like you who understand the game...i used to have to do those 'feel good' lessons ..fortunately dont do much of those these days, and cant rem the last time i had to give a panty hose lesson ;) . jolly put his stuff up there for all to see and both brags about himself and cuts himself to pieces..i suspect he lies somewhere inbetween..in any case, he aint hurtin' anyone and seems like a fun guy to get pickled with.....he seems to accept an honest critique w.o a lot of fuss, so thought it would be safe to share w. him what i saw, mostly thinking that it might help someone else....peace out,
    Mojo
     
  22. Bungalo Bill

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    You can call it whatever you like. If it floats your boat to call it backtracking, you go right ahead.

    However, I call it proofing and editing. It helps that I go back and reread what I wrote to ellaborate on something in case someone like you blows it out of context.
     
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    Hmm...i don't see where I took anything out of context. I wasn't offended in the least about your 2.5 comment. I said I wouldn't argue with you since you're an expert... in fact, i think most people who watch my vid would question your expertise even after you changed it to 3.0.

    Maybe you wouldn't have to go back and reread what you, yourself, have written if you had taken a little bit of thought into it before writing it?

    Maybe it's just me..but seems to be a re-re-reoccurring theme with you.
     
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  24. Julieta

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    Reading this post, and a few others on here, I'm going to add my two cents. You seem like you work very hard and you are determined to improve. Tennis is not an easy sport. If I were your coach, I would make you play USTA 4.0 league with a group of fun guys. I think that would be a good way for you to find yourself and find your game. You can mix this in with some open tournaments. But playing the 4.0 could help you immensely. It is a good level of tennis but not so tough that you just get blown out and wonder what happened. I know some guys who play 4.0 and they are not bad players by any stretch. Many college players are 4.0s at the smaller schools. It's a good level. I think of 4.0 as being guys who maybe played juniors, high school and in some cases college but weren't obsessed with tennis. Then there are also some very good guys who came the game late or from other sports. I know a 4.0 for example that was hall of fame college basketball. If your ego has a problem with it, tell people you are getting over an injury and want to play your way back into tennis. Tell them you're working on hitting a slice so you want to take it down a notch. Tell them whatever you want! But you can either do something that can help you progress, or you can stall your development.

    The thing is, no matter how good a person is on the practice court playing matches are completely different. And its very hard to just go out there and play against guys who had a baby rattle in one hand and a racquet in the other. That is the level in opens. Sure you will run into an easy draw now and then, but for the most part opens are guys who can play and have been playing. And if its a money event, look out. It is hard to just show up and play these guys.

    You may get bored playing USTA, but I bet you don't. If you smoke everyone, you can move up a level. But even then, its just such a good place to work out all of the match drama.

    One more thing, as long as you play tennis, you will have the experience of waking up at 5:30 and wondering why you lost a match. That is part of the game! No one can win all of the time. You have to find something else to play for other than winning or losing. Sure everyone wants to win and that is why we are out there, but its not something that is going to happen all of the time. If it does, then you need to move up a level.

    It takes guts to post all of your biz on this board. Now go channel this in the right direction and look out.
     
  25. morten

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    Hewitt and Ancic also have high takebacks, if it feels natural, do it.
     
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    Yeah maybe...but coming from you, I could give a damn.

    I posted that "the results speaks for themselves" regarding Jolly as a generality. I WAS NOT WRITING THAT POST TO YOU.

    You are the one that chimed in with your "brilliance" and took it to his open tournament results which you don't come close to comparing too and it is NOT WHAT I FRICKIN MEANT!!!

    GET IT? Is this difficult to understand?

    Plus, with that video you posted? You would be hard pressed to get a 3.5 out of me. So, maybe instead of commenting on meaningless things here, you ought to shut your mouth and learn something to help you play better tennis.
     
  27. Julieta

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    Taylor Dent...gotta love So Cal!! A friend of mine was a very nice college/futures level player and got to the final of some random open tournament and had to play a guy who ended up being top 30 ATP. He wasn't at that time, he was up and coming, but my friend said that guy was the best player he'd ever played and knew he was going to have a good career. He lost and said he'd never tried that hard to even win a point in his life! We weren't surprised when he ended up doing well. Point being, you never know who is going to end up in the opens!!!!

    On the Jolly subject, I could be mistaken but I am not sure that Jolly rose up through the USTA ranks? I thought he just started playing opens and kind of bypassed USTA all together. I think he may have played juniors but I mean as an adult, I don't think he played it. I think he needs to play USTA as a way to get competition while he is working on his game.
     
  28. Julieta

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    Hewitt's is high, but it is really clean and efficient. No glitch. Plus the dude can move like a cheetah.
     
  29. Bungalo Bill

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    You are not seeing the takeback. The height can matter to some people. However, it is how the racquet head moves around in his takeback that is of concern.

    When the racquet head moves past the hitting shoulder and goes behind him, the brain has a difficult time tracking the ball and the timing needed to bring the racquet head to contact. The brain likes to connect the hand to the racquet head. So if the hand goes back but the racquet head goes farther, there is a disconnect and timing could suffer.

    When a player develops their backswing, they need to consider it from a neutral stance point of view.

    If you were standing parallel to the baseline with your right foot on the baseline, when you take your racquet back, your hand and the racquet head should not pass an imaginary line running from the net, across your toes, and into infinity.

    If a player wants to take it up higher that may be okay if they can handle it and other things help to keep the player in balance. However, when they drop the racquet down the racquet head and the hand need to be on the same side of the body. Here is what I mean.

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    Here is what it ends up looking like in an open stance. The backswing in both cases is simple, easy to follow, and the racquet head is not whipping around behind you.

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  30. hyogen

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    It really sounds like you gave a damn, Bungalo Bill. :twisted:
     
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    Yeah, I asked if he was on drugs. Then he said, "maybe doubles." So I got the draw and just shook my head and went to have some beers with him.

    I told him, "maybe I can just embarrass myself doing something else?" I said, "we have families, we dont practice as much as these people do, we have jobs, and we aren't 25 years old. Dude, did you see the household names on the darn list?"

    Thank goodness a few more beers brought him back down to earth.

    Maybe, I dont really follow Jolly's career. :)

    I am a strokes coach and all I see is strokes. I dont mess around with rankings, racquets, strings, tournaments, rules, or anything else. If someone posts a video, I just critique the technique.

    I lead a pretty simple boring life, I know. Which is probably why I like to bring pain to others perhaps.
     
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    Agree, agree, agree!!! I was actually thinking of posting this yesterday, but was actually a bit tentative to post on this thread again!

    Jolly, you may have mentioned it before, but why don't you play leagues? It would give you so much more match play, expose you to so many different types of opponents, and by the time those tournaments roll around, I honestly think you'd be much more prepared!
     
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    Wow!

    Drak, its like a mini-you but asian. Wonder if he curses like a sailor too?

    I think Hyogen is like most of us. We expected to see the hitting level of the same guy who posts threads about craigslist ads looking for 5.0+ partners, or who could beat a 3.5 with a broomstick, or could bang it around with the likes of TonyLars.

    Instead of finding a rockstar video, I feel like I found these guys backstage:

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    Perhaps they both are 3.5s-4.0s too.



    P.S. Hyogen, I'm very very sorry about your friend's death. Puts things into check when you lose a close one. I'll drink one for your homie soon.
     
  34. Sup2Dresq

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    ^^^

    I don't think Julieta could put anymore 4.0s in that thread without it being overkill.

    Well written Julieta. Jolly could benefit from playing in a 4.0 USTA league.
     
  35. NoBadMojo

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    this is excellent i think....in thinking about this, the pressure will likely actually be greater on Jolly if he plays 4.0's for a while. There is pressure in winning when you are expected to win, or to be competitive when you are supposed to be competitive, and to not lose to people you should beat...playing someone way over your head in an Open event really isnt a lot of pressure because a 4.0 wouldnt expect to have a good result against a much better player and wouldnt be at all surprised to get waxed..it is good to do once or so just for a reality check.

    as to the forehand takeback.....people shouldnt go by what the racquet head is doing as that is often influenced by the wrist angle someone uses on the takeaway...ie: someone could have a flatter swing path which appears loopy because the hand holds the racquet in an upright position..the converses are obviously true as well. there are many ways to get it done well, but when you study someones swingpath, you get a mnore accurate representation, by looking at the racquet hand rather than the racquet head

    combining a loopy swingpath with a flat ball trajectory isnt going to put the swing path in the contact zone as long as a flatter trajectory shot should be and makes for a really inconsistent FH and a serious missmatch..one thing fighting the other
     
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  36. Julieta

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    Thanks man. I am a lousy writer though.

    Wait, maybe I shouldn't thank you. You put "Blame It On The Rain" in my head. Damn!
     
  37. Julieta

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    I think he is protecting himself by playing matches he probably won't win, which in the long run is going to stifle his development. But yes, if he plays 4.0, he is going to expect to win, and if he loses, which is quite possible, then he may feel worse. But I think looking at the big picture in the long run he would be better off.

    ONE or Zico on the coconut water? I usually buy whatever is on sale, but if equal I like Zico best!!!
     
  38. Julieta

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    It can be hard though when you want to play and realize how tough it is going to be with a job family etc. And it is not just training time but that wonderful thing called sleep.

    From what you post I dont think your life sounds boring! As for tennis, I think you are just not into providing BS which does not help anyone in the long run. We basques have a problem with BS anyway!!!
     
  39. Julieta

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    Thanks. I was thinking of this girl I knew who was a top ranked junior nationally. She was also in a tough junior section. She got really burned out, had some injuries and stopped playing. Didn't pick up a racquet at all during college. Then like many people she realized she missed playing. When she started again she played USTA. She did go up quickly of course but the point is her ego wasnt in the way. She knew that was the best way for her to develop and get back in touch with her skills.
     
  40. mtommer

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    Only to those who don't like tennis. And let's face it, they're not very cool people then now are they? :shock::).............:)
     
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    Well you got to give him credit since he made 3 finals in the mens open touraments I think last year. Yeah he did lose all three but making a 3 finals in one year means you can play at that level. Yes his results are inconsistent but so is his wrist. So he cannot train and play all year round and get a grove then tweak the wrist and stop playing and rest. I played mens open money touraments in NYC from 1991-2000 and made only one final in nine years so I think he's doing good.

    Hey Rickson I would never underestimate Jolly but I can play too I am not just a muscle head. I been playing less and less over the past ten years getting worse and worse with each passing day. But I have plenty of tourament experience over the years and keep myself in good shape. It would be a nice match up. I just went bowling for only the 3rd time since 1989 and still rolled 184,196, 207. I had a 206 average back in 1989 so I got the muscle memory.
     
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    dont you hate it when you get a song in your head and cant get it out? i've been having this problem with a really stupid song......

    "You're too shy de shy....hush hush eye to eye" free Zico to anyone who can name the artist and also help me get this stupid song out of my skull.....bah....and now it is in yours and everyone elses reading this post.......everyone sing..........

    I'm a Zico sort of guy, preferring it to VitaCoco. Never had the ONE but am curious what it is like. very little sweetness like Zico or more sweet like VitaCoco????? Maybe try Amazon..they usually have a deal on Zico w. free ship and a discount if you do the auto reorder thing..lately i've been big on Emergen-C
     
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    do you know which open tourneys these where and the caliber of play? I know people who are 3.5's who enter <and win> something like the 'Annual Summerville Potato Festival Open Tennis Tourney'....maybe about 8 people in the open singles draw so win one match and you are in the semi's....guy was a 3.5 who lost to another 3.5 in a hotly contested 'Open' final. the others in the event were lesser players than that

    playing in open events may or may not indicate a players ability <these days..wasnt that way before>..in jollys' case, there is visual evidence to suggest his playing level and i think someone looked up his USTA Open record which was 4 and 20 or whatever it was
     
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    yes, i googled it before too, but this only serves to get the song back into my head. ;O..i need another song to replace it....cant be anything by Kajagoogoo as they only had the one 'hit'
     
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    I would be getting that song out of my head as fast as possible too. Mary had a little lamb is an option. Or you could opt for the devil to help you by playing Led Zepplin albums backwards. Something has to happen, no need for humans to suffer that bad. :)
     
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    Good stuff in there Mojo.

    They are CONSTANTLY on my ass about the first step thing.

    The guy who I have primarily been working with just says flat out, "NO. What you have going on here simply will not cut it."

    Some days I am sharper and quicker than others, but I still realize that it is something that needs vast improvement.

    RE: The volleying thing. I have never had good hands, but work exceedingly hard at developing a forecourt game especially over the past year, getting coaching, doing lots of volley drilling, and playing dubs.

    I will get some video up, but it isn't quite as bad as I make it out to be.

    J
     
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    That Kajagoogoo (who can spell that, what a nightmare) song...you are bad for passing that on to the rest of us but I guess that's better than Milli Vanilli. Or the Free Credit Report.com rap song, which was stuck in my head the other day. I wonder if that kaja dude still has that same hairstyle.

    Now that I think about it, I have only had ONE in the unflavored version. It is VitaCoco that has the same flavors as Zico. ONE might also, but I have only tried the plain. The plain is kind of blah compared to the Zico passion fruit which is my favorite. Good tip on the Amazon.com, I forgot about that. I can't get into the canned versions, those are so sugary.

    Emergen-C is great also. Portable and cheap.

    I hate this financial crisis recession thing. I am just getting so weird...everything I do I think about whether or not I should spend the money or go hide it under the mattress. It is pathetic.
     
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    hey thanks for your help..you're very thoughtful....:) but i have another song in there now...

    ya man....but now you cant get the song out of your head either, and I've moved on.....that too shy song could be what it is like to be waterboarded. I'm now singing 'Punish the Monkey...and let the organ grinder go'...dont care for the sloppy guitar work of Jimmy Page..mark knopfler is much better.....a 6.0 vs a 3.5. i will , however take your suggestion to heart, and will play a Led Zep song backwards...hell; Jimmy Page might sound better that way....can you tell me how to play songs backwards on an iPod???????? ;O



    NP JollyRancher......actually there is something you could quickly practice, learn, and do to get your first step more explosive and your body into a better hitting position, but if i told you, you would now be on the clock ;)

    Volleys are now much tougher to learn because they are much harder to even have an opportunity to hit these days in competition<in singles anyway>, so it is grt you are getting in some dubs. there are a whole bunch of volley drills you could do....you should be able to learn to volley easy balls even if you dont have good hands.
     
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