What does a tennis player need to be an ATG?

[juanparty]

Hewitt and Rodick are?

And Chang?
Kafelnikov?
Henman?
Goran?
Stan?

To me Murray is and ATG without a question.

Nobody says anything about Courier.

apparently Becker and Edberg with 6 set the minimum standard to be an ATG.


Discuss

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

6 slams minimum

 

[Fabresque]

I think there should be a fine line and definitive gap between “legends” and “ATG’s”. I think legends can include many, many players. Courier is a legend to me, as is 1 time slam champ Goran Ivanisevic. Murray is a legend. Even guys like Ferrer, Berdych, these guys are legends (although definitely on the lower tier). The ATG cut off is 6 slams which is what you said. Becker and Edberg. Anybody above this is an ATG, then there’s Pancho G, Laver, and Sampras, who are in a category “OG GOATs”, then the Big 3 are in their own category “The GOATs”.

 

[Sudacafan]

I believe Vilas in an ATG.

 

[thrust]

6 slams minimum

I AGREE.

 

[NatF]

Two Olympic Gold medals.

 

[Tennfan123]

Five slams.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

''Henman might be pushing it a bit.''

''no, mate, that's Murray's game. And he's pushing it a lot.''

 

[BGod]

All time great should mean exactly that. A great player with his place in history. There isn't a specific number of Slams but it's hard to have a mark with 2.

Courier is an ATG despite having 1 YE to Hewitt's 2 because in his 3 year stretch he would have been YE in most seasons but situation was different. He also faced the best and beat them or played very close.

Look at it as Ali test, what competition did a player beat?

Murray to be honest never beat two of his 4 rivals in a Slam title run and in 1 of his 3 he beat nobody close. That's what disqualifies him to me.

Vilas is more borderline due to some of his insane stretches but all 4 of his Slams were weak. His arguably best is brought up as 77 USO but that was a Bo3 for first 4 rounds (yes), on clay and Borg would have been in his SF but retired in R16. Yes he beat Connors but 1 win doesn't elevate an entire tournament like that. However it wasn't all about the Slams and constantly losing to Borg who is a legacy player is pretty acceptable.

And of course 6 Slam players well they all had to have long stretches of contention right? But for example Lendl kept guys like Wilander and Becker from more YE or weeks at #1 with Becker never having a YE. Yet Kuerten did right?

Context.

And we're talking about careers here. Prime for prime I take Borg, Budge over a Nadal and arguably Novak/Fed too. That's how untouchable those guys were.

 

[optic yellow]

ATG = goat of their generation assumin

All time great should mean exactly that. A great player with his place in history. There isn't a specific number of Slams but it's hard to have a mark with 2.

Courier is an ATG despite having 1 YE to Hewitt's 2 because in his 3 year stretch he would have been YE in most seasons but situation was different. He also faced the best and beat them or played very close.

Look at it as Ali test, what competition did a player beat?

Murray to be honest never beat two of his 4 rivals in a Slam title run and in 1 of his 3 he beat nobody close. That's what disqualifies him to me.

Vilas is more borderline due to some of his insane stretches but all 4 of his Slams were weak. His arguably best is brought up as 77 USO but that was a Bo3 for first 4 rounds (yes), on clay and Borg would have been in his SF but retired in R16. Yes he beat Connors but 1 win doesn't elevate an entire tournament like that. However it wasn't all about the Slams and constantly losing to Borg who is a legacy player is pretty acceptable.

And of course 6 Slam players well they all had to have long stretches of contention right? But for example Lendl kept guys like Wilander and Becker from more YE or weeks at #1 with Becker never having a YE. Yet Kuerten did right?

Context.

And we're talking about careers here. Prime for prime I take Borg, Budge over a Nadal and arguably Novak/Fed too. That's how untouchable those guys were.

Sir Andrew won an Olympic gold while bearing the almighty weight of British home crowd entitlement on his shoulder.

 

[Julius Caesar]

10+ GS at a single event

2 OGM

 

[buscemi]

Six majors or five Majors plus some combination of other things (YE#1s, weeks at #1, WTFs, Olympic titles, Masters Series titles, etc.). For example, I think Hingis is an ATG on the women's side with 5 Majors, 3 YE#1, 2 YEC, etc.

 

[jorjipy]

All time great should mean exactly that. A great player with his place in history. There isn't a specific number of Slams but it's hard to have a mark with 2.

Courier is an ATG despite having 1 YE to Hewitt's 2 because in his 3 year stretch he would have been YE in most seasons but situation was different. He also faced the best and beat them or played very close.

Look at it as Ali test, what competition did a player beat?

Murray to be honest never beat two of his 4 rivals in a Slam title run and in 1 of his 3 he beat nobody close. That's what disqualifies him to me.

Vilas is more borderline due to some of his insane stretches but all 4 of his Slams were weak. His arguably best is brought up as 77 USO but that was a Bo3 for first 4 rounds (yes), on clay and Borg would have been in his SF but retired in R16. Yes he beat Connors but 1 win doesn't elevate an entire tournament like that. However it wasn't all about the Slams and constantly losing to Borg who is a legacy player is pretty acceptable.

And of course 6 Slam players well they all had to have long stretches of contention right? But for example Lendl kept guys like Wilander and Becker from more YE or weeks at #1 with Becker never having a YE. Yet Kuerten did right?

Context.

And we're talking about careers here. Prime for prime I take Borg, Budge over a Nadal and arguably Novak/Fed too. That's how untouchable those guys were.

Magnificent post

 

[jimmy8]

It's whatever the announcers on TV say.

 

[Herald]

Roddick's forehand and Wimbledon peak