What does Nadal need to change in his game to improve further

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  1. srinrajesh

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    Nadal has been losing some uncharacteristic matches this year some partly due to injury and some tactics. It seems like his topspin has lost a little bit of bite.. Could it be a result of his injuries ..Knee injury at end of 2008, Tendinitis from June - August, Abdomen injury September-October.
    Let us discus how he can improve his game

    I believe Nadal would definitely take his game to another level if he can implement some of the following

    1) Develop a much stronger serve (A Guy as well built as him should be able to utilise his body strength to hit 15-20 km faster)

    2) Play more rallies from closer to the baseline (play 5-10 feet behind baseline instead of 15-20 feet). This would enable him to hit far more winners and though his defense would be a little less effective he would still win more points than currently

    3) Develop a better net game. he should play more doubles so he develops a good drop volley which is probably one of his weakest shots. Even though he has improved his net game a lot in the last 2 years, he still needs improvement. He has all the makings of a good volleyer and can protect his knees by finishing off the points earlier. Being so athletic it is not easy to lob him as well.

    4) Hit with more consistent depth on his groundstrokes.. His recent losses to Delpo and Cilic were probably a big result of the depth.

    5) Use his inside out Forehand and Down the line shots more often to hit behind his opponents at times instead of a barrage of cross court. He seems to use it at times like a reflex and lost points becos people predict the right way..

    Discuss the above points and any new suggestions..
     
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  2. dropshot winner

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    1) Everyone wants a bigger serve. Nadal has improved his a lot in the last 3 years, I'm not sure how much further he can go with it.

    2) Difficult to do as long as he doesn't shorten his swings.

    3) It wouldn't hurt but I doubt that it would make a big difference, Nadal won't ever be a natural volleyer or a player that wins many points at the net.

    4) Again this has to do with his grounstrokes, when someone hits at 100 mph Nadal can't fully wind up his swings, he can't just hit it longer, lack of depth is a result of pressure.
    Nadal's strength has always been his consistency, which he achieved by having a lot of margin on his shots and the spin that allowed him to get away with short balls. This strength is neutralized against the tall guys and I don't see how Nadal can hit deeper without making more errors.

    5) He's definately not using the down the line forehand often enough, it's a confidence shot for him, if he doesn't feel very good he's not willing to use it.



    Nadal needs to get those tall players more on the run, and not just side to side but also forward, he needs to improve his slice to get them to bend down.
     
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  3. srinrajesh

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    Agree with some of your points

    1) His serve may need even a technique change during off season perhaps ..
    2) He has already shown he can be agressive by moving up on court on wimby grass.. shud implement that indoors and fast HC

    3) He only needs to win some points at the net to put off the rhythm and counter the net rushing tactics of players like Tsonga in 2008 AO
    5) His slice needs to be really low and needs to use the angles more else the top players currently wont have many problems
     
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    1. stop being "injured".

    2. stop complaining.
     
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    1) It's too late for that, he can't change his technique to great extent without making his serve worse.

    2) He can do it in Wimbledon because the surface isn't as fast as the fast hardcourts and because his spin pushes his opponents much further back on grass, both of which give him additional time.

    3) Only few player have used Tsonga's strategy against Nadal, in those cases it would help, but most of them usually try to pounce the short balls and attack the forehand.

    5) Absolutely, his floating slice is just not good enough. But again I'm not sure how much he can improve, from what I've seen Nadal is not using a classic grip to slice, he would probably need to change that to get more bite on it.
     
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  7. dropshot winner

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    Stop spamming and trolling.
     
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    uhmmm, tell me one thing I said that isn't true??

    Just because I didn't write some long post giving "expert advice", such as you, doesn't mean I'm doing either of what you say. If anything, my post is taking up less space, faster to read, and better advice than yours.

    Therefore, why don't you stop spamming/trolling.
     
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  9. dropshot winner

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    Saying that Nadal is not injured. You're not doing that once, but every day.
    But it's obvious that you are convinced by your conspiracy theories.

    Nadal is only injured when it suits your point of view (like when you said Madrid SF was boring because it was a match between an injured player and one that cannot breathe).

    And by the way, how old are you?
     
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    He's not. and my age has nothing to do with this topic. Please stay on task and stop trolling.
     
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    So he was only injured in the Madrid SF and then instantly got healthy?
     
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    He definitely needs to work on his serve. He doesn't get nearly enough free points off it.

    He should work at his net play a little more. As posted earlier - he has the makings of a great player at net.

    All in all, he should hire McEnroe to give him some coaching. There is no one better at net than Mac, and there is no better example of a serve that screwed people up without being fast.
     
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    he is always "injured" :roll:
     
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    You've said that a million times already, it doesn't make it any more true.
     
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    He's never really been extraordinary in this part of the season..Besides, the season hasnt even ended yet.I dont get what people are worried about.He said himself that he'll be back next year and start with a clean slate.
     
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    I read in another thread where someone said he was 40.

     
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    I hope for his sake that he's 14 and not 40.
     
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    please stay on topic, troll.
     
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    1. improve second serve-placement esp. deuce court wide and ad court T as well as pace

    2. develop a kick serve (topspin) not unlike Verdasco's go to serve. not that nadal's leftie slice is weak; it's actually a weapon when he get 1st serves in. but it's the exact same spin every time and almost the same location. w/ a kick serve, he could go back and forth and opponents wouldn't be able to sit on his 2nd or run around it. realistically this is likely not to happen, though.

    3. continue improving slice: lower, deeper, more accurate placement both cc and dtl w/ emphasis on dtl to rightie bh, and use it occasionally as a service return w/ a much closer stance rather than moving back so far and giving up angles, esp. on the deuce court. i think the whole tour knows at this point that the "go to" serve against nadal on the deuce court is the wide can opener; nadal needs to stand at baseline on service return (esp on deuce court) and slice returns back instead of giving up so much court.

    4. continue to come in . . . he's been doing it more and more such as vs. blake in shanghai esp. in first set. he's quick enough to get there and his volleys are highly underrated
     
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  20. ~ZoSo~

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    You are always a troll. By the way is aphex or any of your other diciples about to come crawling out of your arse to spring to your defense?
     
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  21. drakulie

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    ^^^Veroniquem!!! Glad to see you back. Where is Nadal_Freak??

    BTW, glad to see as usual>>> you can't stay on topic. Good stuff.
     
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  22. ~ZoSo~

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    I hope you're getting commision from you tube for posting that video link that proves none of your pathetic lies.
     
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    ^^thanks for watching.

    BTW, please stay on topic, veroniquem.
     
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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
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  25. ~ZoSo~

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    Dont flatter yourself. I havent wasted bandwidth watching it. I witnessed blinkism take you apart several times on this topic. Thats how i know it proves none of your sad pathetic lies. And yet you just keep on posting it lol
     
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    sure you did, veroniquem.

    and again>>> please stay on topic. What do you, Nadal_Freak, and The Truth feel Nadal needs to do to improve his game?? (besides recruiting new fans)
     
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  27. ~ZoSo~

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    Well my dear, you are either very easily amused or just a major sycophant
     
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  28. ~ZoSo~

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    What do you need to do to improve your trolling technique and compulsive lying so blinkism and others dont blow your sad pathetic story out of the water
     
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    I seem to have touched a nerve :lol:
     
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    That is not the topic of this thread. If you would like to discuss those things, veroniquem, I suggest you start a new thread.

    Please stay on topic.

    PS: thanks for watching the video.
     
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    Isn't it great how any Nadal thread they are involved in becomes about something else. (IN this case>>> me?)
     
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  32. Blinkism

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    Guys, don't feed the troll. ^^

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    Nadal needs to improve his BH return, is another thing - maybe taking a cue from Federer and slicing the return wouldn't be the worst idea.

    Also, improving the serve is key and I think he knows that. The abdominal tear he had probably took him back a little in terms of improving the serve, but he should be back on track soon enough.

    He was serving well in Melbourne earlier in the year.

    And, I think Nadal's getting the message about standing on the baseline. He was looking to be aggressive against Robredo and even mixed in an aggressive stance in parts of the Blake match.

    He might have to play more defensively against Ljubicic, as Ivan hugs the baseline well.
     
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  33. ~ZoSo~

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    Of course you have. What a formidable opponent you are, frightening in fact.
    Because i have pointed out that your either a sycophant or easily amused, that proves that you have touched a nerve.
     
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  34. drakulie

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    Veroniquem has 6 posts in this thread, and none of them are on topic; Just insults directed at posters she fears. nice, real nice.
     
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    Whereas you have a third of the posts in the entire thread yet have only made one post on topic - and a joke post at that. I'm beginning to realise why you have 16k+ posts. :)

    Nadal doesn't need to do a great deal to his game. He's 23 and has six slams (is only Borg better at the same age?). He's only behind Agassi and Federer for masters shields (and it's only a matter of time before he overtakes them both). He has an Olympic singles gold medal. He is a Davis Cup winner. Any talk about how his game needs to change is nit-picking at best.
     
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    Of course it proves I did or else you wouldnt have been getting worked up and responding to me the way you did :lol:
    sycophant :lol:
    ooooooooh :lol:
     
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  37. ~ZoSo~

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    yes fat little 50 yr old trolls are something to be feared. Speaking of which, its puzzling to decipher your motive for plowing on with your crackpot theory regarding nadal. whats hurting you so my child
     
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  38. mandy01

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    BH return? Arent you basing your judgement a little too much on the recent matches?
    Nadal always struggles in this part of the season.
    Personally I see him coming strong next year.From what I could make out,he's
    moved over.He said he was going to come out next year and try to play his best tennis.
    Fair enough,IMO.
     
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  39. drakulie

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    I can't help it if Nadal fans such as yourself feel I'm more important to discuss than Nadal.

    Please stay on topic, veroniquem. Thanks for taking all that time to read, and quote all my posts, and also for watching the video of Nadal practicing during Wimbledon.
     
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  40. ~ZoSo~

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    you seem to have some problems with perception my dear. pointing out your dual standards of supporting certain trolls because they troll against the player who owns your dreamboat droolsome swiss ballkid/umpire abuser does not constitute somebody getting worked up. not like you getting worked up when fed removes his shirt in between games to expose his ample beer belly.
     
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  41. Blinkism

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    Yeah, I was actually referring to recent matches - basically post-Wimbledon matches..

    And I agree with what you're saying, 2010 should be a fresh start for Nadal and I think he's just tinkering with his game for the rest of the season (while trying to rack up wins, ofcourse)
     
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  42. Ledigs

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    I agree about slicing the serve back, especially against big players. Will give him more time to prepare for next shot. He has a good return though.

    Serve and forehand slice could be a problem because of technique issues (not using his dominate arm).

    Just goes to show you that having a powerful serve is NOT about muscle, very much about technique. Interesting huh?

    I think he is trying new things on hard courts, some of which are working, some of which aren't. Perhaps he was so pleased about Blake match because some of his new tricks are working.
     
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    its a familiar and oft used tactic you are employing there but its not really working for you. btw was that your microwave? i think your bacon xl cheeseburgers are ready.
     
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  44. mandy01

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    Where does Federer come in here?
    And what dual standards if I may ask?
    I enjoy seeing you guys get worked up :lol:
    And the **** you've been talking bringing in a player who had nothing to do with this thread proves you're no less of a troll :lol:
     
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  45. drakulie

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    Veroniquem has 9 posts in this thread, and none of them are on topic; Just insults directed at posters she fears, and Federer whom have nothing to do with the topic. nice, real nice.
     
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  46. ~ZoSo~

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    i must have missed your post in this thread where you object to drak u liar's trolling. i will keep searching
     
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  47. Cesc Fabregas

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    Maybe Nadal should hire drakuliar as his coach, he might be able to get a better supply of roids then, seeing as drak is an expect on them.
     
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    Can we erase drakulie, mandy AND veroniquem's posts in this thread? It's such a good topic and I hate sifting through the crap.
     
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    Why should I when you have the nerve to accuse others of trolling while you do it all the time?
     
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  50. ~ZoSo~

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    drakuliar can count. i guess that constitutes wit by his rather lowly standards. congrats
     
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