What does the japanese guy wrong in this shot?

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  1. W.S

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    He's just late all around off a good deep ball.
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnHajCFtuXg&feature=related

    I forgot to post this video. Look at 3:58 and look at the miss at 4:04

    It looks like he got bad balance. Does he hit late because of the balance and what should he do in that situation to not miss?

    This kind of misses happens me sometimes indoors and I wonder how to improve this misses.

    Continue to comment on this thread! :)
     
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    Thats not an easy question to answer, but just from watching that part of the video (as well as the whole thing) to me he missed because he tried a shot that wasn't really there. He hit a first serve and went crosscourt on his first forehand, got pushed a bit wide on his second forehand and tried changing the direction of the ball and went up the line and missed. He lost the match and I've seen these series of videos before, he was never really in the match to begin with so you also gotta look at the match as a whole and where the momentum was etc. To me its just a classic case of hitting a shot that isn't there because of the pressure he felt from his opponent. Sure he could of been in better position with his feet but even the way he was, crosscourt was the shot he should of hit. His expression after the shot tells all.
     
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  5. theZig

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    his mistake was trying to play like rafa.. nobody does the rafa like the rafa
     
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    I laughed out loud when I read this. This is exactly what happened. That guy went after that shot, buggy-whip and all... and hit it four feet out.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he made Rafa's grunting noise, too. Just for some extra oomph. :)
     
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  7. LeeD

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    Why do we miss?
    Opponent hit a ball we can't handle.
    We try a shot we don't own.
    Pretty girl walks behind the court and you just can't stop staring....
     
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    All I can say is solid tennis! I love the spirit it was played in. The bowing, the warmth and laughter at the end even though there was a victor and the vanquished. Nice, sporting tennis.
     
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    what ntrp is this?
     
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    first video error, he over hit... maybe anxiety to end the point fast.

    second, he might have been tense...

    Sometimes errors have their root on emotions...
     
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    The reason he hit a reverse forehand is because it was a deep ball that forced him to use the reverse to catch up to the ball, not because he tried to copy Nadal.
     
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    his REverse forehand didn't quite reverse due to getting late on the shot.
     
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  13. chico9166

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    He mishit it? He actually played the correct shot, which was to send this deep ball back crosscourt along the same incoming shot line.
     
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  14. LeeD

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    ..er.... we all miss, that's why we're on this internet chatroom.
     
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    leed, ntrp?
     
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    Been claiming 4.0 for 2 years, beginning of last year, "falling 4.0".
     
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    Yes, always the last reason for me...even thought there are no girls walking around.
     
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    Sometimes, "pretty girls" are walking around inside your head, which happens to most boyz on the lookout.
     
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    i meant, what is the ntrp of the players in teh video?
     
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    Solid 4.5 hitters, not much strategy or variety, huge swings on forehands for winners, more conservative backhands, no serve to speak of, could play in 4.5 or 5.0 tourneys here and lose early rounds due to lack of variety and real all court skills.
    But they would beat me in singles!
     
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    The little kid is a junior from Japan that turned some heads at the Orange Bowl last year; the awkward looking adult is most likely that club's coach. Juniors at this level will typically give 5.0s a run for their money, and the only thing they're missing is size.

    Edit: I'm looking at W.D's second video posted, with Ken Onishi, of course.
    The first video was almost comedic :lol: The only thing Mr. Babolat was missing was the butt picking.
     
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    So basically, you say they are exactly what I say.
    Juniors typically hit much better than their strategic skills, or their variety, can allow, so pure hitting does'nt mean as much.
    Old farts employ more strategy and variety, so their pure hitting doesn't matter as much.
    Either way, they can play in 4.5 -5.0 tourneys here, early round exits mostly.
    They are good players, and except for a handful here, can beat us all. A "handful" is 10.
     
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    they both look like juniors to me.

    which one is which?
     
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    They shake hands very different then we do in the U.S...
    Juniors thats is
     
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    Yeah, the first shot looks like a mishit. It kinda looks like he got too excited and tried to put too much on the ball. Nothing wrong with hitting reverse forehand...

    The second shot was more of shot selection problem. He was getting pushed behind and went down the line. The shot will probably have gone in crosscourt with a little more spin.
     
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    First vid shot: pulled out of the FH causing a mishit. opened up left shoulder too early.

    Second vid shot: not enough topspin and too much drive. probably also caused by opening up left shoulder too soon.

    Both could probably be solved by coiling a little more in the prep. Extend the off hand a little straighter to close the shoulders at the beginning allowing a better turn into the shot.
     
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    Both didn't miss because of bad technique, watch their videos neither of them have bad technique.

    This board needs to think beyond shoulder turns, unit turns. coiling and uncoiling, racket prep and non-dominant hand use. Thats only 1/4 of your tennis game.
     
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    Google Translate says that "コーチ" is Japanese for "coach"-- so I think you're right.
     
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    No matter what we know, what we learn, what we practice, and what we do, we are doomed to be recreational players who miss all the time and struggle for any kind of consistency while trying to hit with somewhat decent pace.
    And it's not all about US, or ME, or YOU. That opponent facing you has an almost equal say in your results.
     
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    I'd have them a little higher than 4.5 - maybe 5.0 to 5.5 but its hard to tell in such a short clip.
     
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    Papa, I like your rating system. Makes me better than what I know I am.
     
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    Hey, anything I can do to help you out is fine with me.

    As you know rating players without seeing much is difficult/almost impossible/generally inaccurate. To me they looked like pretty good players like you would see in Div I - certainly looked better to me than 4.5. I'm generally fairly good at this but I'd like to see more to see if I'm accurate.
     
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    I don't think you can rate the 14 year old, as NTRP ratings aren't geared and shouldn't be used towards juniors in my opinion. Someone mentioned he played the Orange Bowl so then that to me is easy, he's a nationally high ranked Japanese junior with international ITF jr. experience. Pretty straight forward. The other guy is a coach who's obviously played in the past and he's no 4.5 so like papa said, a 5.0 is appropriate there.
     
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