What does TT think of this guy?

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  1. Mikeplaystenniss

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  2. Topspin Shot

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    He is a mid-range 3.5, 4.0 at best.

    The problem is, you asked the wrong question. :) I think he is a very good player, likely a good D1 prospect. Could be high level D2 or D3 as well; there are some very good players at those schools.
     
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  3. LeeD

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    Hit's good.
    Might have trouble hitting with DavidNalbandian.
    Is tennis about hitting, or is it about match play?
     
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    ...Both of course. Tennis is about tennis.

    is DavidNalbandian somebody on this website or are you referring to the pro? lol....
     
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  5. Mikeplaystenniss

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    Made me laugh. :) I agree.
     
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    There is some matchplay at the end of the video.
    His matchplay is great.
     
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    Outstanding. Makes me wanna quit the game...
     
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    Serve is weak for his level of overall play. I like that he moves forward to finish the point. Groundies are very solid, but not overpowering. Yes, college tennis at some level. I'm thinking decent DII, but there is a wide range and I'm not the most knowledgeable about the wide range of college tennis.
     
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    I think he's good! He's naturally talented. You can tell by the footwork and balance. Some guys NEVER learn that even the best in the world.

    He almost looks like a good pro. Mechanically the backhand is there, just needs to step into the ball more, but it looks better than most D1 guys I've seen. Of course that's looks. Tennis doesn't care about looks. Ask Murray and Djokovic about that.

    I noticed right away that he has really good balance and natural awareness of his center (rare). At 1:02 he moves around the forehand to hit a backhand and it's smooth. That's not easy to do. At 1:12 he hits a backhand late, ball get's up on him, but it's the way he adjusts that says he has natural talent.

    Forehand is almost perfect accept one thing, no lag. And he could lean in more.
     
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    He plays #2 singles for a low ranked D2 team in TX and has weak results. Maybe could play on scholarship at a D1 team in the 175-200+ range. If you are looking at USTA rating..run of the mill USTA 5.0 adult player...maybe a higher 4.5 in a tough USTA adult section like SoCal.

    If the previous poster thinks he "almost" looks like a pro and has better mechanics that "almost any D1 player"-- I would say to lay off the illegal substances, get a career as a comedian because you are funny, or go take more beginning PE tennis classes at your local uni.
     
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    Thought I'd watch again.
    I"m surprised his forehand doesn't get late on deep shots, since he has a really long backwing. He looks kinda strong.
    I"m surprised his backhand is such a pushy scoop shot, since he's strong, you'd think he'd crush some 2hbh's deep with power and spin.
    I'd think he could play D1 singles, just not top 4. Didn't get to his serves.
     
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    Watched the whole vid.
    Volleys are weak and clumsy, just not natural, and prone to breakdown.
    Serve has nice form, but as you all said, very weak for his level of play.
    His forehand takeback seems too long, might be prone to breakdown, does have good pop and consistency.
    His 2hbh takeback is too short, prolly very consistent, but weak hitting.
    His 1hbh can use some work.
     
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    You forgot the last two words "...I've seen". Changes the overall statement.

    When I say he "almost looks like a pro" I was speaking more on his movement and center of gravity. He lacks timing, has inconsistent technique and other flaws, mainly on the forehand and volley.

    Lot's if not most D1 players have sloppy mechanics. They could learn a lot from this guy and how he keeps his body still. I'm not impressed at with US collage players. But the Euro imports are good. I don't think Americans care much about developing good technique.

    I'm guessing you're either a collage player yourself or a former one given your tone. If so where do you or did you play?
     
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    I'm not quite sure what your definition of a "pro" is then. There are probably 100,000+ recruiting videos on YouTube and this one really looks no different than the vast majority of the other average videos with average players. For all I care, the guy could have the prettiest strokes in the world. But, his current results would seem to clearly indicate that he would probably struggle to ever pass a Futures qualy in some obscure country.

    I am sure a lot of guys who are ranked in top 125 in D1 would love to take a lesson from this guy and emulate his stroke mechanics. That would be logical right? Yes, many players have mechanical problems in college, but still are able to be successful up to a certain point. Go watch Mitchell Frank play. It ain't pretty, but it damn sure gets the job done. Function can trump form, up to a certain point in college tennis.

    Please provide concrete evidence that Americans don't care about developing technique and provide specific examples. Furthermore, list your coaching credentials that enable you to make this genius analysis. 74 out the top 125 college guys are foreign, so there is absolutely no denying the impact of foreigners in college tennis. The last time I checked, the guy who won back to back NCAA titles in '10-'11 and '11-'12 was an American named Steve Johnson. His career was unimpressive though, right? 72 match win streak-- the longest in college tennis and he broke the top 100 on tour this year. Very average.

    Yes, I am a former college player. I played on a top 10 D1 team, so draw straws and take a guess. By the way, I am not advocating for college or pro tennis, don't have a preference for players in any division, and am not downgrading or demeaning the guy in this video by any measure.

    But, please, before you make uneducated statements with no validity, try to think a little harder.
     
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