What Draw is This?

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  1. OddJack

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  2. Agassifan

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    The streak is in danger
     
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  3. TTMR

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    Yep, it's all rigged.

    For comparison, Murray's draw going into Wimbledon 2012:

    1R Davydenko
    2R Karlovic
    3R Baghdatis
    4R Raonic
    QF Ferrer/Del Potro
    SF Nadal
    F Federer/Djokovic.


    No one ever whined about Murray's tough draw.
     
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    ...everyone talked about Murray's ****ing insane 2012 wimbledon draw it was nuts, come on his easy semifinal was Tsonga for christ sake. Murray had a ridiculously tough grass draw and all were well aware of it. His section contained Karlovic, Dimitrov, Baggy, Cilic, Querrey, Raonic and Anderson. He was guaranteed a tough R1-R4. He was fortunate that Cilic was a bit tired after that slugfest with Querrey, but everyone talked about Murray's insane draw. You had to be blind to not notice it. EVEN with no Nadal, he still had a tough draw.
     
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    But no one claimed the organizers systematically rigged the draw to depress Murray's chances. They are for Federer here.
     
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    That's because Murray's draws evaporate every time. Watch Del Potro somehow finding a way to lose in R1 or R2, f.e.
     
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    Easy draw until semi (unless Tsonga suddenly hits the form of his life which I doubt). Raonic is not such a threat on slow hard. Davy is not a threat at all. Tomic could be pumped but he's a good matchup for Fed.
     
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    While I more or less agree, I don't think slow hard necessarily helps Roger's chances. Berdych gave Federer a heck of a match in 2009. A big hitter has more time to set up their shots on slower courts, and Roger won't be getting as much penetration nor will he get as many chances to approach the net.

    Though, I still think Roger will, at the very least, reach the quarters with little trouble.
     
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    he better make it to tsonga at least. if he loses to tsonga i be disappointed but thats livable
     
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    Where is the draw? We don't see a draw. We see an empty quarter. We see bedbugs maybe. We see the latest version of the parade of schoolchildren, retirees, journeymen, and disableds.
     
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    Federer's draw has Davydenko and (possibly) Rosol. Sound familiar? :)
     
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    You know Federer with his junkballing was a horrible matchup for the clean-hitting Nikolay even in his heyday. He’s been retired for years now barely winning any matches. And journeyman Rosol is best known for trying to knock injured Nadal off his feet on a changeover at Wimbledon. Not sure what your implication is. You are proving my point for me.
     
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    On the contrary, by giving mini-bios of the two players I mentioned, you proved my point. Thanks for playing.
     
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    Didn't realise you had a point, but anyway why don't you go to a church, light a candle, and pray that Federer pulls through the Benoit Paire match somehow - it's a tough draw you know.:lol::lol:
     
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    On what planet is Tomic crowd favourite? Only weeks ago he was being pasted across all the mainstream media in Aussie for his attitude.

    Except in a few rare situations Federer is the crowd favourite pretty much everywhere.
     
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    Why are Fed fans worrying bout Tomic- whilst he's in good form, he's got no major weapons to hurt Fed with and I'd like to see him out maneuver Fed on any day let alone on a (potentially) very hot court
     
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    Federer's making it to the Quarters, at least, unless Raonic is on fire. He ain't losing to anyone else.
     
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    Under the doctrine of this thread, if Tomic is released on bail to play the AO second round, Benoit Paire will face a heck of a crowd supporting the local star against him.
     
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    He got a wildcard into the QF, so as long as he has a pulse he should make it to the Quarters, I agree.
     
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    He's had considerably worse. Paire's tricky but easily manageable, even for ********. Unfortunately Davy's NEVER been able to hold his form against Federer, I can't see Tomic mustering up three sets worth of brilliance and Fed's been shutting down rocket servers his whole career (see Roddick, Andy). If these guys all live up to their potential then yeah, Fed's in deep trouble, but realistically that's probably not going to happen. It gets really tricky from the QF's onward, but that's usually the case at any major.
     
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    you are clearly not watching any of his matches if you think the crowd are not on his side...
     
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    Your post is in just as much danger as federer.
     
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  23. Jack the Hack

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    First Round: Benoit Paire Head-to-head: Federer leads 1-0, as he beat Paire 6-2, 6-2 in Basel last year.

    Second Round : Davydenko H2H: Federer leads 17-2, and hasn't lost to Davydenko in over three years. Also, Davydenko has never beaten Federer in a best of 5 match. In fact, Federer has won 42 out of the 52 sets they've played.

    Third Round: Tomic H2H: Federer leads 3-0, and beat Tomic at the Australian last year in straight sets.

    Fourth Round: Raonic H2H: Federer leads 3-0, having beat Raonic on grass, clay, and hard courts last year.

    Quarter : Tsonga H2H: Federer leads 8-3, and has won their last four matches.

    Semi : Murray H2H: Murray leads 10-9, but Federer won 3 of their 5 matches last year.

    Final : Djokovic H2H: Federer leads 16-13, and he won 2 of the 5 matches last year.

    Based on his past results against these players, I don't think Federer (or his fans) have anything to complain about with this draw. Unless he has a sub-par day and his opponent is playing out of his mind, he will make the QF or SF comfortably. Then, it will be a dogfight between him, Murray, Del Potro, and Djokovic. My money is on Djokovic, but Federer definitely has a good shot at it still.
     
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  24. Dark Magician

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    What you are implying is true andperfect if we look at this as individual matches. But playing these 7 back to back is what is tough + Fed will have to play Murray and Novak on Back to back days.
    Edit : by individual i mean if they play just them and the effect of this match has no consequence on the future.
     
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    Agreed, it really isn't a tough draw. I don't even really expect the crowd to be all that behind Tomic. He's been a real brat thus far in his career and Fed is a crowd favorite down there. They're not going to be piling on Fed. Not for Tomic. If it was Hewitt then that would be different.
     
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    Good points.

    Those young players are getting better and better and Rodge only gets older. Raonic and Tomic's ranking has only improved since Rodge beat them last. Not that he cant beat them again, but it's much tougher now.
     
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    I don't think Fed really cares about the crowd supporting his opponent. He vsed Tomic and Hewitt in 2012 and 2010 and still curbstomped them. I think it'll only be an issue if the crowd starts booing him which is about as likely as Tomic or Hewitt winning
     
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    Agreed. He beat Agassi at the 2005 USO in front of the most partisan crowd imaginable.
     
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  29. TheFifthSet

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    If it's an easy draw, what is a tough draw? Just because Federer is projected to win those matches doesn't mean its easy. Paire is tough relative to the average first round opponent. Davydenko, Tomic, Raonic and Tsonga (especially at the AO where he's beaten Nadal, Djokovic, AND Murray, and on another occasion took Nole to a 4th set tiebreak in 2008 ) are also tough relative to the average opponent a top 4 guy might expect to play in those respective rounds. So how is it easy?
     
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    OK - so the organisers did rig Murray's draw but knew it would evaporate by the likes of Rafa losing to Rosoll? Really? REALLY?
     
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    If Nadal had the same draw, he would prob. not survive the second round - what is he, 1-6 against Davy on hard?
    And Davy is a threat - he just annihilated Ferrer.
     
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    He Jacky boy - any chance you could tip Murray for the AO - your USO thread was brilliant! :)
     
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    Without benefit of of any match play as leadup for a slam, this draw could be the tonic Fed would want...immediate but not overwhelming difficulty could help him get tuned in for a possible Tsonga/Murray/Djokovic finish.
     
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    Yeah, this sort of a draw is exactly what Federer needs if he wants to win the tournament. He ain't beating Djokovic in the final if he has to go through random journeymen. Murray is the only (admittedly big) negative of the draw.
     
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    Scary and dangerous draw. Could lose early or win the AO.
     
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    For someone fairly eloquent, you do manage to confuse your first person singular and first person plural in the above post.
     
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    Fist Round: Paire - EASYMODE

    Second Round : Davydenko - cake

    Third Round: Tomic - lol (for Roger)

    Fourth Round: Raonic - lamer

    Quarter : Tsonga - decent test of skills, but out of steam

    Semi : Murray - this is the test

    Final : Djokovic - If djok gets here: it means hes moving well - Rog wont make it

    Ridiculous draw.
     
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    I know of a much harder draw...

    Fist Round: Federer 16 slams, Talented player

    Second Round: In form Davydenko

    Third Round: Tomic, Crowd favorite, just beat Djok

    Fourth Round: Raonic, Big guy big serve, Dangerous for anyone

    Quarter: Tsonga

    Semi: Murray

    Final: Djokovic

    Ridiculous draw, poor Benoit.
     
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    Could have been even worse, he could have played a 17-slam winner in the first round... ;)
     
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    It has to end sometime.
     
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    Dangerous draw for feddy, he needs to come up with proper game plan in each and every match.
     
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    This post is a lot about what's wrong with tennis fans these days - everything is about numbers, numbers, numbers. Let's bring some more facts into the table.

    Paire - easy mode, I agree.

    Davy - Fed leads 17-2, true. But remember their last match at the AO? Federer was getting blown off the court for a set and a half, until Davy missed an easy shot and completley disappeared for 2 sets. He came back to make it very close at the 4th. Fed hasn't had an easy match with Davy in a while - very tough 2nd round match.

    Tomic - Should be easy for Fed.

    Raonic - Deffo not easy. Raonic nearly beat Fed on a few occasions, Fed was lucky to get passed him and couldn't even get his serves back.

    Tsonga - This is an opponent less scary for Fed than Delpo, Berdych or Raonic imo. Tsonga is error-prone and likes flashy style, but Fed is more flashy and more consistent.

    Murray - Anyone who watched tennis in 2012 knows Murray is the superior HC player these days (not overall of course).

    Djokovic - Their WTF match says it all - Fed was leading in both sets and he just couldn't get it done. Djokovic is the best player on the planet today, period.
     
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    Right, and anyone who watched tennis in 2012 knows Fed leads Murray 2-1 on hard (he won in Dubai and WTF). However in a best of 5 and slower hard court, I tend to agree it should give Murray an edge. (Notwithstanding 2010 when Murray completely lost it mentally and Fed was younger).
     
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  44. Prisoner of Birth

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    What's the point of your post?
     
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    That's because *******s are such cry babies, they will whine about Fed's draw no matter what. Let him play in the WTA if you tards want an easy draw. Jssssh
     
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    That in 2012, Fed leads Murray on hard even if in the specific case of AO, I do see Murray with a slight edge. So, it's not fair to say 2012 proves Murray is the better hard court player of the 2. What's not clear about my point?
     
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    You know something is off when people actually worry about PAIRE :oops:
    Reading those threads, you would think Fed is a novice player out of the qualies :shock: So much insecurity boggles the mind...
     
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  48. Prisoner of Birth

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    It's funny how you consider the head-to-head to decide who the better hardcourter is. Murray won a hardcourt Slam and made a Semifinal at the other. Federer : SF and QF. Murray is definitely (even though just marginally) better than Federer on Hardcourts in general.
     
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  49. Prisoner of Birth

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    After Rosol, you can't blame them.
     
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    You keep saying that but Rosol wasn't the whole story there. Rafa's knees were more of an issue. As far as I know, Fed currently doesn't have any serious physical problems.
     
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