What Federer did right

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  1. fed_rulz

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    Federer seems to have buried ******** (at least temporarily) -- remember those horror times when as a Fed fan you felt that the point was over if it ever exceeded 4 shots from the baseline?? ******** did rear his ugly head during his match vs Rafa at the AO, but for the most part, it is refreshing to see Federer play clean matches.

    while most of you are going gaga over Federer's BH, I pick his FH as the reason for his recent success. That wing had lost its bite, and only recently seems to regaining its former glory.
     
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  2. Nathaniel_Near

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    Concurred.
     
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    So it wasnt just me haha
     
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  4. monfed

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    A few points that kindof stuck with me in this match -

    1) Federer's BH returning, he was barely missing not allowing Nadal to get free points which he almost always does. "Federer makes Nadal look like Karlovic", ring a bell?

    2) Federer's DTL BH - A critical yet difficult shot to execute on a regular basis against the lasso FH which Federer needed to use to change direction of play when he's caught in the FH-BH web. He hit it with purpose and barely made UEs off it. Fed was 60+ points won on his second serve which indicates he was winning the rallies(often not the case). Sublime stuff.

    3) The momentum DIDNOT switch at the beginning of the second set, meaning Nadal didn't go 2-0 up. I've lost count of how many times this has happened in their matches where Nadal comes out after losing the first set and goes up 2-0 or 3-1 in the second and Fed end's up playing catch up from then on or worse still never recovers.


    4) Fed's body language was just different, he looked purposeful(didn't drop his shoulders when broken)and didn't let up on his strategy of "when in trouble go to Nadal's BH", although you can bet your bottom dollar it's not as easy to do for Fed as it is for Djokovic(due to point 2).

    Other things like high FS%, converting breakpoints , while being extremely crucial, are mandatory against Nadal to win.

    Things Fed needs to improve upon -

    1)Consolidation of breaks.Going up 3-0 and then lose 3 straight games is something he can ill-afford on a regular basis against Nadal.

    2) Believing he can comeback in the match when down, note that he was never down a break in this match so we still can't say for sure how he would've reacted. So in a sense he wasn't tested in that regard.
     
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  5. TopFH

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    What I took from the match was the ESPN Latin American commentators. At one point they said something like "Federer is trying to miss, but he can't".
     
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  6. merlinpinpin

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    About shot selection, there was another very important point which helped him adapt better to the windy environment: he really let rip that forehand, often playing it flatter than usual for him. Theorically, he should have made more mistakes that way, but the faster the ball's going, the lesser the wind impact, so going full out in fact *reduced* the number of errors (while taking time off from Nadal and making *him* miss, ie clearly a win-win situation).

    Now he just have to keep doing it even when there's no wind, and punish that ball as often as he can... ;)
     
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  7. coloskier

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    You are quite correct that he "let it rip". However, you might notice that he "let it rip" when hitting against the wind, and that he was hitting quite a few high rollers with the wind at his back. Nadal was hitting most of his shots 10-15 feet behind the baseline, on both sides of the court, because of this strategy, which made it a lot easier for Fed to dictate the points. Look at how many low short balls that Fed hit to Nadal's BH that Nadal could barely reach, and half the time plopped into the net. I bet he won at least 10 points on that shot alone.
     
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  8. jackson vile

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    What he did right was stop being a "fancy boy" and manned up for once. He has always had the game to defeat Nadal, however he was always afraid to break a sweat or something.

    Plain and simple Federer busted his ***, it will be nice to stop hearing all the excuses about him being so old, past his prime, match up, etc.
     
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  9. zagor

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    Actually this is the 10th time he manned up against Nadal, including 2 Wimbledon finals. As usual, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

    Yes those excuses have really run their course, better to just claim his tennis is sloppy, subpeak, flat, uninspiring etc. right?
     
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  10. TMF

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    Facts are not excuses.
     
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  11. mattennis

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    Federer is, possibly, the best tennis player under very windy conditions. It is amazing how well he could control the ball, how he could hit through the wind....

    He is even better than Agassi at that (Agassi was one of the greatest in very windy conditions).

    On the other hand, Federer is just playing better than all the rest in the last 6 months.

    Nadal and Djokovic are not at their 2011 level and Federer is playing better than last year, that is why he is winning everything.

    He is getting nº2 very soon, and he can get to nº1 in the following months.

    It is great, seeing him again at this high tennis level.
     
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  12. elpolaco84

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    Question: how many times Nadal defeated Federer without losing his serve at least once??
     
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  13. sureshs

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    The first point is really not valid - who would not want to serve well if he could?

    In the games prior to the last (when Nadal broke Fed and then held serve), it was clear to me that that was the Nadal who can easily beat Fed. Fed looked helpless. But in the final game, Nadal did not have it in him to keep it up.
     
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    Anyone else loving that a past-his-prime 30-year old Federer has mopped the floor with a peak Nadal (playing the absolute best tennis of his life) two of the last three times they've met?

    I sure am.

    Rafa's new nickname should be Nada.
     
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    Yes happy, but no Slam win.
     
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    Ridiculous post.
     
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  17. sureshs

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    Nada will win Slams and the Olympics singles this year and Fed will be left with nada, beating Djokovic and Nada when they are exhausted between Slams and Olympics, or at the end of the year when only he is fresh because he has not gone as deep as them.
     
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  18. DjokovicForTheWin

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    Wasn't Nadal fresh for IW?
     
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  19. sureshs

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    Who was in the AO final - Fed or Rafa?
     
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    By my count, it's been about 4-5 weeks since that final. Does it take them that long to recover?

    Warriors, aren't they?
     
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  21. Towser83

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    It is valid. I just said that Federer served well which he doesn't always, i didn't say that the other times he didn't want to serve well.

    This isn't all about tactics, it's about execution.
     
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  22. DjokovicForTheWin

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    Djokovic, I didn't really notice Nadal even playing, did you?
     
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  23. OddJack

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    It's not about wanting, it's about wanting and executing. He did, so that's one of the winning factors.
     
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  24. above bored

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    Nadal had one forehand winner because Federer was the aggressor, as usual, and played very well to keep Nadal on the back foot. As we all know, Federer defends very well so no one is going to fit a huge amount of winners against him anyway.

    Nadal did not play badly, he was outplayed by a superior opponent on the day. Had he been playing any other player apart from Djokovic he would probably have won.
     
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  25. MichaelNadal

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    You keep telling yourself that. No matter how aggressive someone is, Nadal is gonna hit forehand winners. Surely you know he is more than capable of making Federer run. When Nadal started playing SOMEWHAT like himself in the last 15 mins he was hitting winners, Federer was still playing great, so how did Rafa start hitting winners? Oh ok.
     
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  26. Nathaniel_Near

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    Nadal didn't play like himself at all near the end, he played OUTSIDE of his standard very good level. He can't sustain himself like that where he's hitting 3 (I think) forehand winners in one game. This is not how he operates.

    Nadal could have played better during the match, but this isn't the point I'm making. BTW usually when Nadal plays a top player, even when playing well he usually ends up with less winners and sometimes significantly less, but also many less errors.
     
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  27. dh003i

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    Perhaps if Nadal fans would admit that every time Nadal beats Federer, it wasn't Nadal playing subpar and Federer playing the match of his life, the realism could be returned in kind.
     
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  28. dh003i

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    Typical. When Nadal is outplaying Federer, Nadal is playing good and forcing Federer to play bad. When Federer is outplaying Nadal, Nadal is just playing poorly which allows Federer to take advantage.
     
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  29. Nathaniel_Near

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    This is very much the overall vibe, yes. Well put, btw.
     
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  30. MichaelNadal

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    Not at all. Wimbledon 07 anyone? There are plenty of matches where Federer beat Rafa while he was playing well, saturday wasn't one of them, get over it.
     
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  31. Nathaniel_Near

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    Roger won and Rafa lost, they both came to play and that's that. Rafa's form was quite good but he was mentally weak in dealing with the wind and admitted in the press conference that he only figured out the correct way to play the situation near the end of the match. Federer was a tactical tour de force and Rafa a tactical noob, as far as this match goes.
     
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    ^^And I completely agree with everything you just said, which is all im trying to say, the same thing you are.
     
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  33. Nathaniel_Near

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    Interestingly, Federer only won 64% of his first serve points and many of those would have been non returned serves or aces. Rafa has a real hold on Fed's first service. In fact, the serve seemed to mean practically bugger all in this latest match: Fed won 64% and 65% and Rafa 58% and 44% on first and second serves respectively. Federer served at 64% and Rafa at 71%.
     
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  34. Nathaniel_Near

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    The fact is, Roger and Rafa both have this capacity to make the other player look like absolute crap, with Rafa being able to do it more frequently than Roger. The match-up is extremely volatile. In almost every case, the losing player is playing better than it may appear - for example, when Federer is blitzing and attacking it doesn't matter how well Nadal is playing, he's going to be way way behind in winners, and when Nadal is at full flight he will draw an amazing amount of forced errors out of players through tenacity, stamina and will, which go down as UE on the stats and paints a negative picture. Ultimately the thing that should be talked about here is how well Federer played, as it's far more significant than how standard Nadal's overall level was (good form, silly tactics).

    Roger in this match was blitzing and high risk but still hit more winners than errors and in windy conditions; very impressive. I'm half expecting a rematch between these two in the finals of Miami.
     
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  35. World Beater

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    nice win for roger. but he is far away from beating nadal in a 5 set match.
     
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  36. celoft

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    If they meet in the Miami final, Federer will win....
     
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  37. Crisstti

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    No, it's not. Actually, in a match like that one can see the difference of when he pushes and when he doesn't.
     
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  38. GhostDog

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    Fed pretty much played the way many of us have been begging him to play. Let's see if this bolds well for the rest of the majors. I'll give him one final shot at winning Wimby or the US Open if he plays this way.
     
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  39. keithfival

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    Fed already answered this question

    When asked in the presser why he stuck to the tactics in this match but went away from them in Australia, Fed himself said "Rafa has also a big say on how the points are being played", so obviously he agrees with what's being said here that it's not simply a matter of using this gameplan, it's that this time he was able to do it but other times Rafa doesn't let him do it.

    So, I agree with Fed.
     
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