What happened to Gasquet and Murray?

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  1. robin7

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    What happened to the rising stars Richard Gasquet and Andy Murray?

    They keep on losing in the early rounds.
     
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    one french joke, one british joke.
     
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    They would both double bagel you in about 10minutes tennis_hand.
     
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    Murray seems to have changed his playing style significantly. He didn't move at all like the player I've seen so many times. He looked much more excited/enthusiastic, but it didn't look like he was hitting the ball better.
     
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    Looks like Djokovic is way ahead of them...

    OMG, they even struggle to stay in the top 10...
     
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    Its the yoga that got to Murray.
     
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    can you say immature?
     
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    I thought Murray could be really good but, hes way too inconsistent right now, needs to find a solid playing style that can get him through most matches he should be winning, you never really know how hes going to perform to be honest, I think the same goes for Gasqeut. I think if they were consistent, they would be up there with Djokovic. Djokovic can now get through mathces even when hes not playing well, which is a really improtant ability to have.
     
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    murray maintains he will not be playing his best tennis for another couple of years. the whole "young gun" thing can be overemphasised, players mature at different rates, and murray missed a lotta last season. he is showing a determination to improve and drive on that bodes well for the future (new workout techniques, assembling teams of coaches etc).

    gasquet may well remain in the "talented top 20" brigade all his career, not sure he's going to challenge at a slam.
     
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    I think Murray's making slow progress (maybe not so much of late) but I think he'll be in the top 5 by the end of the year. Maybe 6.

    Gasquet is a whole different kettle of fish. Hugely talented like Murray but I think with Gasquet it's more in his head than on court. He can play all the shots, on all surfaces great. It's just about remaining consistent.
     
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    Murray's already won 2 titles this year... and clay's not exactly his strongest surface.

    Wait till he get's on the grass.
     
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    I'm pretty sure I read that he likes clay best of all.
     
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    When he was in the juniors clay was his favourite surface, but he was a heavyweight back then.

    Now he's playing with the big boys who really know how to win matches on the surface, he doesn't do as well.
     
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    They are both overrated by people. People overestimate their talent and potential so far that reason they can only continue to dissapoint relative to the unrealistic expectations.
     
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    Hmm.. I think they are both very talented but they are missing the mental strength needed at the moment. When you see them pulling off some of the shots they do, it's clear they have the shots and ability but they don't seem to be able to harness it in the right way.

    I read an article last week about Murray where he said he's struggling to feel motivated, that's not the kind of attitude that gets you to the top, especially when he's so young. You'd think he'd be putting everything into it.
     
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    Not everyone can mature as early as Djokovic,Nadal,Hewitt etc. some guys need more time to develop their game and mature and toughen-up mentally.I think Murray has a lot of potential(probably more then Gasquet),I can see him becoming a great player in the future but you never know with these things.
     
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    I think Murray has ability but he has to define what his game style is. He sometimes seems like he wants to be a counterpuncher, sometimes he wants to be an attacking baseliner, sometimes he wants to come to net alot. Granted an all around game is fine too but even that needs some form of structure. Once he really decides what he wants the base of his game to be built around for now and go from there, then he will do better IMO. Even more though he needs to control his temper and his mood swings during a match.

    Gasquet? Well I think this has been said by alot of others but his game is really overly reliant on his backhand, and the rest of his game isnt anything that noteworthy outside that one great shot. People seem to only see his amazing backhand and not ask themselves what else does he have. Maybe 1 or 2 other pretty good things, but no other great weapons. Most importantly his serve and forehand arent even close to enough to be a top 3 player in todays game, or even a top 5.
     
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    I do agree Murray has more potential then Gasquet. Gasquet will never be even close to as good as Nadal and Djokovic already are, or what some people predicted/hoped he would become. Just wont ever happen. Murray has more potential then Gasquet IMO. He does have time, but he does need to start working some out in the near future, alot of it in just defining his game style and the mental side of his game I think.
     
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    Yeah,I agree.I also do not see Gasquet defending his Wimbledon semifinal this year,he'll drop out of top 10 IMO.I do feel in general that Gasquet is overrated.
     
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    You're right about Murray neither being one thing nor the other. I think he has the ability to play however he wants, but he needs to decide which way he wants to go and put the work in.
     
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    He´s spent years at Sanchez-Casal school in Barcelona, that means claycourt training most of days.
     
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    Nothing new, most of top 50 just need be a bit more consistent to be top 10. If you´re top 50 you´ve got the talent.
     
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    Murray needs to find a game plan that works, and needs to stay consistent mentally. Gasquet is just burned out. He has been under so much pressure for so long that he's just going through the motions at this point. it's like federer except without the results.
     
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    Murray gets a bit of a tough time/unfair criticism because he is compared to Djokovic, who at this point and prolly for a long time is the better player; still hes had injuries and has no points to defend for a long while, he prolly would have been better of keeping Gilbert, never the less he'll be #4 by the end of the year, guaranteed

    Gasquet is really not nearly as talented as people think, hes a shot maker but he has a prettier game than basically everybody so people think he must actually be better, hes still just a shot makers though, don't let the picturesque strokes fool you outside of his backhand they really are not that consistently effective, hes right where he belongs in terms of ranking
     
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    People expect too much of them. They are great players but skill is not the only factor which leads to greatness.
     
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    they ran into to players just as talented
    with more brains
     
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    That is a bold gaurantee considering Davydenko and Roddick are in very impressive form to start the year (assuming you concede the first 3 places to Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic in whatever order). It could happen but he will need a tremendous year from hereon out.
     
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    I don't really understand murray, sometimes he does amazingly well and other times he's really bad. He always get tough draws though which doesnt help. I could see him having one or two hot years at wimbledon but I really dont know how far he will go.
     
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    Can't wait until November to hear your excuses why this hasn't happened.

    Murray gives no indication that he can win any significant tournament. He's 'Mr. San Jose' until proven otherwise. E.g. win a Master Series or make a final at a Slam...

    You're being too kind. 'Bold' is an understatement. Flyer doesn't list his location - but I have to think he's somewhere in the EU - maybe a BBC Sports correspondent. They keep talking up Murray at Slams - only to see him flame out early...


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    It really wouldn't need to be all that tremendous, its not like Davy and Roddick won't lose a few....

    Really? I would think beating Federer 2 times proves something? Hes also given Nadal all he could handle...Im not in the EU though, I've said where Im from before.

    It goes unsaid of course that my prediction is baring injuries, I felt I needed to clear that up just in case certain people don't realize that on their own.
     
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    i agree. if murray hadn't been british and gasquet, a child prodigy...
     
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    Beat Fed in Cincy when it was obvious Fed was worn down from winning TMS Canada. Beat him in Dubai a few months ago when he was still recovering from mono. And as other have stated, it's all about the Slams for Fed now - he's not going to kill himself for the lesser tournaments...



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    wins are wins right? hes a player you'll see, he should have kept gilbert, he's been injured and people expect a lot so soon, hes young, but when hes been healthy hes been very consistant
     
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    Now I do believe Murray has a lot of potential but end this year number #4? I very much doubt that would happen,first three spots are reserved for Federer,Nadal and Djokovic while #4 and #5 will be Davydenko and Roddick who are both playing some great tennis this year.I mean Roddick even gained a bunch of points on clay of all places by getting to the semifinal of Rome and Kolja had that big win in Miami,don't forget about Ferrer as well although he has a ton of points to defend.#7 or # 6 is as far as Murray could go this year and even that is far from guaranteed IMO.
     
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    Murray also has one great shot which is his backhand, but since you mentioned Richard's weak shots, you should surely mention Murray's serve which is in fact weaker than Gasquet's. Just look at stats last year and you will find Gasquet in top 10 or top 15 in every category on both first and second serves. Murray has much worse serve stats.

    Overall, I think Murray will have little steadier career, but Richard should be able to win bigger titles because when his game is on it's level significantly higher than Murray's. There is a valid reason why his best results in slams and Masters (semis in GS and 2 Masters finals) are a lot better than Murray's.


    Both are out of confidence at this moment, especially Richard, but that doesn't mean he is done or can't turn it around. Just last fall, he won title, reached final of another, reached semis of Paris Masters and got to Masters Cup out of 16-17 possible players. So, let's not bury him completely just yet.
     
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    Are we forgetting when he managed to pwn Roddick at Wimbledon the other year?
     
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    Both of them have mental issues. Gasquet, has less excuse then Murray. He has had great clay results in the past and hasn't had any (serious) injuries as of late. Murray had that bad wrist injury this time last year, and has never gotten any big results on clay.
     
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    If you want to play the 'wins are wins' card then you should stop talking about 'if Murray is healthy'. I don't know how you can call him consistent - look at this yr - two (smaller) tournament wins and a series of disasterous early exits at the big events. And I agree that he should have kept Gilbert. But YOU'RE the one who said #4 by year end.



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    i don´t know if its just an impression but i think that murrays racquet change was a bad idea. in the past he was inconsistent too, but he was able to owerpower his oppenents at times and his backhand was a weapon, but after the switch he looks "mediocre".
     
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    Disastrous early exits? Tsonga at the Australian Open was the worst draw he could get. And then he lost to Ancic in Miami. That's again a tough first draw. He's lost a bit of confidence on the clay but expect him to bounce back. He doesn't have much to defend so top 10 is likely. But...top 4 is quite unlikely.
     
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    Ya, and Nadal.

    I mean, he can't get past #2 in the world (I think expectations were for him to be #1). Underachiever!
     
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    They just need to up their game thats all.
     
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    murray has served in the high 140mph's
     
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    Gasquet lost in early round again at Hamburg.
     
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    With murray he has too much variety where he just thinks too much and hits the wrong shots, he just needs time to figure out which shots to hit and when, with gasquet he is just doing terirble but i will got fate that he will get better hopefully before french.
     
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    So much for Gasquet doing damage on grass...
     
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    Eventually, he will start wanting to play again. But let's give him some credit, he was definitely mentally in the match against nalbandian in queens.
     
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    What now after 4 years?
     
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