What happens to Lacoste after RG 29?

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  1. Q&M son

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    I mean I believe he had very bad health problems.

    Five finals in a row in RG, 25 to 29, where was he in the 30?

    Thanks in advance.
     
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  2. Borgforever

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    Great question. I know the answer. But this answer just needs to be answered by Carlo Giovanni Colussi and at length (in a way only he can :)).

    He's French, got all the sources at his disposal, and I don't believe I could top his answer when it comes to Lacoste.

    I will say this though. Lacoste was a true genius and if his career wasn't cut short, well, I hope Carlo answers this on Monday...
     
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  3. Borgforever

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    Hi Carlo!

    Have little time now so I'll be brief...

    A new thread puts a question regarding what ailment forced René Lacoste to retire and I wish you -- arguably the greatest expert on 1920s tennis I know of AND French too boot -- to give a great answer on TW on Monday that will reveal this mystery at length?! You must have access to the most important first-hand sources in French since you live in Vive La France and my experience is always that if you live in the country of the relevant subject in question you are privileged to the most intimite knowledge.

    So I would love to see you produce a lengthy, brilliant "CarloGiavanniColussi-already-legendary-Tilden-post-on-TW"-post about René Lacoste's career, chock-full of juicy rare facts about this serious GOAT-contender and true genius!?

    I will maybe send you a DVD-copy of the match when Ilie Nastase murders Björn Borg 6-2, 6-2, 6-1 at Commercial Union Masters in December 1975 as thanks...:)

    I always cry when I watch this match...

    Just kidding :)

    I know how you would just love to repeatedly witness Ilie steamroll, toy with, slice and dice and knock-out cold Björn Borg while eating him for breakfast...:)

    You'd better have a fine vintage nearby when you watch it because the talent by The Great Romanian on display would easily make a iron-willed wood-cutter faint instantly...

    Best regards gentleman,

    Borgforever
     
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  4. Q&M son

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    Thanks Borgforever, we'll wait for Carlo too! :)
     
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  5. Borgforever

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    Carlo is very busy. He's not had the time to respond to our Budge-debate yet and that was months ago -- but maybe in few weeks I hope...

    To give a reasonable answer sometimes takes a lot of time. One needs time for source-critique as well so as not to dilute the truth of and waste valuable debate-time.

    I took over five months I guess to evaluate, research, read, compile, source-critique, map-out/organize/structure work, analyze, write and polish the Lawrence-thread and it is still not the whole truth and nothing but the truth within human possibilities.

    Carlo will post though I believe. I just have to be patient that's all...
     
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  6. pc1

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    According to the book "Tilden and Tennis in the Twenties" by Arthur Voss--
    With Cochet and Borotra content to rest on their laurels, and Lacoste, threatened with tuberculosis, having decided to retire from international play, no Musketeers competed in the American championships

    Funny thing is that I think Lacoste lived to his nineties.

    I'll double check to see if I can get some other sources to confirm.

    I found it in France magazine No.87 Fall 2008

    On page 29 first paragraph---In 1933, after tuberculosis lead to his retirement from tennis, Lacoste teamed up with Andre Giillier, one of the biggest textile producers in France. Together they produced Lacoste's while short-sleeved polo, model 12.12, with a green crocodile sewn on the left breast.
     
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  7. Carlo Giovanni Colussi

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    Sorry but I will just write a very short answer.

    I don't even remember what sort of disease pushed Jean René Lacoste to retire after Roland Garros 1929 : I'm not even sure it was tuberculosis but perhaps a sort of pneumonia. In http://www.tennis-histoire.com/champion-lacoste2.html this is what they suggest : "Fragile de nature, René Lacoste est souvent malade. Une pneumonie a malheureusement raison sur ses exploits sportifs." ("Having a delicate health, René Lacoste is often sick. Unfortunately a pneumonia prevails over his sports feats").
    What I remember is that Lacoste apparently never thought to make a living with tennis because he was so passionate in many different items and that tennis was only a leisure in his mind, a superb leisure but certainly not a reason to live and a not even a job. Being rather a perfectionist he tried to be the best tennis player he could but once he reached his goal and disease put him out he decided to explore new fields.
    Because in 1932 French tennis has declined : Cochet has declined but was still one the very best but there was missing a second reliable player in the French team to help the country keep the Davis Cup. Borotra had announced that he wasn't able any more to play at top form in best-of-5 set matches on clay so many feared that France lost the Davis Cup. So many urged Lacoste to come back and Jean René accepted and trained in order to win the French another time and to help retain the Cup. However he lost in 5 sets in the R16 of the French amateur and understood that he wasn't the Messiah able to help Cochet retain the Cup and definitely retired from tennis.

    Though Borotra wasn't able to play several long best-of-5 set matches on clay in succession he accepted to play the Challenge Round Cup and surprisingly beat Vines in 4 sets and France won the Cup for the last time (before 1991).

    Due to his fragile health Lacoste was sensitive to cold and said that he always wore sweaters or pull-overs even in hot summers. But being cautious and always anticipating, thinking ahead I guess he took care of him and that it helped him to live for long.

    The French sportspaper "L'Équipe" has published last year the book "Le style René Lacoste" by Patricia Kapferer, Tristan Gaston-Breton but unfortunately for most of the forum English-speaking members that book is written in French (I bought it last year but having so many other books to read I think I won't read this book before months or even years). However many English words come from the old French so even though you don't understand Frenchies when they speak it's a little easier reading French than hearing it. So if you have courage you can try to read it (in my own case I don't speak German at all but I've bought 2 Robert Geist books (one about Rosewall and the other about Nüsslein) in German and I had been able to extract some interesting information (I used the Google translation tool : an horror but better than nothing).

    Sorry for the short answer.
     
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  8. Carlo Giovanni Colussi

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    Except that France has never been a true tennis country. I went several times to Tenniseum (the Museum of Roland Garros) and there is almost no tennis results before WWI. Elegos7 gave me French results unavailable in France that he took from the ... Wimbledon museum.
    Do you know for instance that Michel Sutter should meet Alan Little at Wimby to collect many old Monte Carlo results. The first French tournaments being held by the British, the latter and not the French have the results. It's the Renshaw brothers who "invented" tennis in France and who substituted their original grass courts in Cannes to clay courts a little later but it isn't the French who imported the game from the United Kingdom.
    In France tennis is really born when the French TV covered Roland Garros entirely for the first time and it was in ... 1978 so the first great "French" player is ... Borg and not Max Decugis.
    So I'm unhappily not privileged to the most intimite knowledge at all about French tennis history which is pretty surprising not to say shameful.
    About old French tennis the true privileged are the British and more precisely the English near Wimby.
     
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  9. Borgforever

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    I'll take any answer I can get from you Carlo :)

    Doesn't sound cool though about England being more into French tennis history than the French -- but life is strange...
     
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    I wish the United States was into tennis like England also. Growing up in the United States I've always thought it would have been great if the United States treated tennis with the respect that England does.
     
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    Me too, but the US is too much into football, baseball, basketball, hockey, and stock car racing.

    In the US, it's always the lowest common denominator, not the highest. In England, it's more the other way around.
     
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  12. Q&M son

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    Thanks Carlo and pc1 for the responses.
     
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  13. Nalbandian great

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    Correction my countryman: 6 in a row, 24 too.
     
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    Saw it on ESPN + :)
     
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