What if Djokovic was born 1 year before Nadal?

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  1. DjokovicForTheWin

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    Would Nadal have any slams off clay, or for that matter any slams at all????

    Djokovic started playing slams regularly in 2005, but didn't really break through until 2011, 6 years later (aged 23). Conversely, Nadal almost immediately started winning slams in 2005. So let's say Djokovic was born 1 year before Nadal (instead of 1 year after) and Djokovic 2.0 (aged 23) form made his first appearance in 2008. Given recent history this clearly shows that Nadal would fail to win any slams off clay in his entire career. Djokovic would have straight setted Nadal in every match, except maybe clay, although only this year will tell us the reality on clay.

    So the only slams Nadal would have ever won were 2005-2007 clay, maybe 3 slams. But definitely not more than 4, and he would pretty much end up no better than someone like Courier or maybe Safin (in terms of achievement).

    I think anyone with a reasonable amount of logic can safely conclude that Nadal was extremely lucky to win all of those slams when Djoker was still a baby. And we all know Nadal was very lucky to win the 2011 FO because of a Fed favour. Hence I propose that NAdal is truly a clay court wonder because of the unfairness for Djoker's peak to come along too late. Moreover if Djoker wins FO this year, it is quite possible that Nadal would have ZERO slams if Djoker 2.0 showed up in 2005.

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  2. ledwix

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    Djokovic would never be as good as he is today if it weren't for playing over fifty matches in total against two all-time greats ranked just above him pretty much since 2007. If Djokovic were older than Nadal, it might take him even longer to make a breakthrough.
     
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    I have no idea, but I like your style.
     
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  4. Towser83

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    I see what you did there ;)

    And not even being biased, but this is an easier scenario to plot than that other one. Moving a player back in time 2 years compared to 5 is a lot easier to think out. Also given that Nadal has improved off clay and Djokovic has been better on all surfaces recently.The only question is how would 27 year old Djokovic fare against 26 year old Nadal. We'll have to see how he does in the next few years.
     
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  5. 25.15.4.1

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    You are forgetting that Fedal are to blame for this monster. Djokovic would have never found motivation if it werent for those 2.
     
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    the nadal would be standing in the queue behind the muzzette at denny's.
     
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    Djokovic had the game to beat Fed and Nadal(off of clay) in 2007. He should have won that USO 07 final only for his royal chokes on ALL his set points. But that was his first final. He came back stronger, "no messing" in 2008 and stormed to the title at AO. Was the best player up to the clay season but then not being able to beat Nadal that year on the clay set him back, and he fell into the player we saw for the next two years. If he just put the clay behind him and maintained his early 2008 level, I think he and Federer would have been able to keep Nadal away from completing the USO. But Djokovic lost the bottle after his consecutive clay heartbreaks in 2008 and 2009 and by the time he got it together again, he had only just rediscovered his good form so it was too early on the "comeback trail to the bigtime" for him, to have been able to beat Fed and Nadal back to back at USO 2010 so Nadal just snuck in there.
     
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    It is quite odd to poke at space time events. What ifs are a load of bull to ask.
    Whats ifs are not of reality. In reality, every person grows at their own pace. It just so happens that Nadal grew tremendously in 2010 and Djokovic in 2011. In speculation, who knows who will come out as the next to overthrow the current #1.

    Practice makes perfect. You can't say if "Djokovic 2.0" came out before Nadal won slam, Nadal would have never won any slams. Thats like saying Djokovic skipped to his 2011 level without practice.

    I think it is absurd that you would say it is unfair. Djokovic's peak did not come too late, he simply practiced more and got better mentally and physically. It just so happens that Nadal did that earlier than Djokovic
     
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    If he was born before and they met on a tennis court a few years back...

    I'm assuming the encounter could create a time paradox, the results of which could cause a chain reaction that would unravel the very fabric of the space time continuum, and destroy the entire universe! Granted, that's a worse case scenario. The destruction might in fact be very localized, limited to merely our own galaxy.

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  10. 10is

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    I honestly do not think that would have made much of a difference.
     
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  11. Evan77

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    I do agree that Nadal and Federer helped a creation of this Djokovic monster. This era is absolutely amazing. I think that we don't even appreciate top 3 guys enough, and tend to take them as granted. When they retire they will be a huge gap and I don't see anybody, right now, to be able to fill that gap.

    I'm not sure how things would be different if Novak was a year older than Nadal. As someone mentioned already, players peak at different age.

    I was watching that show (60 minutes) where Jelena Gencic (a lady who discovered Seles, Ivanisevic and Djokovic) said that she was sure that Djokovic would become a big champion by the age of 18. It took a bit longer, but she was right.

    Being able to reach #1 and win 5 slams in the era of Fedal is truly amazing. Novak is righting his own history.
     
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    Spot on. I don't think the Djoker gets enough credit on these forums. His victories are always due, if you believe the tards, to Fedal being in decline. I say BS - he has transformed himself completely, and mentally he is in another dimension.

    If he wins the FO I think he'll be a GOAT contender.
     
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    totally agree with you. I don't think that Fed and Nadal are declining. Fed is still going strong (he can beat anybody on any given day), Rafa is still playing amazing tennis...

    yeah, if Novak manages to win RG this year he would achieve something amazing ... I really hope to see Novak vs. Rafa at RG (in the final) ... I'm drooling over that match, lol.
     
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    I always find individuals like you quite entertaining -- those who contend that Federer is playing his "best tennis" at 30 years of age and that he hasn't declined whatsoever -- simply to denigrate Federer's talent and what he achieved during his peak by implying that he his performance has become relatively subpar in the last couple of years, no because he has "declined" but because "his competition" has finally caught up to him, hence Federer never was really as good as people though him to be. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
     
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    You can't be serious with a statement like that. Come on,Evan. :lol: Fed's been declining for several years,and Nadal is going downhill as well. Anyone who has watched these two guys over the years can see how much they have slowed down,and lost a lot of their firepower. Go and watch youtube vids of prime Fed and prime Nadal and tell me that either one of them are as good as they used to be. It really is not even close.

    And no,Djesus will not be a goat contender until he wins 17 slams,and tops Fed. It's just tardism to suggest otherwise.
     
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    Exactly! Pretty obvious in this vid where both Federer and Nadal are IMO are probably playing the best hard court match I have seen contested between the both of them -- both of them played pretty much near the zenith of their respective hard court abilities.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwJjNpoHJgg
     
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    That's a great vid. Look at how much faster both of them were,and how much more depth Nadal got on his shots. The difference in footwork from then to now is glaring as well. To suggest that either one of these guys are playing anywhere near their primes is just simply preposterous.
     
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    OK, Fed is 30 ... Everyone is declining ... including Djokovic (he failed to defend Dubai and IW, horrible). I still think Nadal is in his prime ... c'mon guys, he reached last 3 slam finals, he is #2. Clarky, it really depends how you look at it ... Have Rafa and Rog declined or is it that Novak simply has improved his game, fitness etc.? that's the question.

    Djokovic was beating Rog and Nadal back in 2007.. it just took some time for him to mature... are you telling me that prime Rog and prime Rafa are superior to Novak? I don't think so.
     
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    Yep,I am telling you that prime Rog is better than Djesus. Prime Nadal,no way,but Fed definitely was. How long have you been watching tennis if I may ask? Serious question.

    And I don't buy this it took Djesus time to mature stuff. I guess it took him only 1 month at the end of 2010 to fully mature and come out as a totally different player in every way. :lol: I'm sorry,but I ain't buying that.
     
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  20. Evan77

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    The first tennis match I saw was JMac vs. Borg (1980 at W). I fell in love with tennis. Borg is still my tennis God, :)

    as much as I like your sense of humor, it did take a bit more than 1 month for Novak to mature ... I think it's been a process.

    Prime Roger is better than Nole, sure... the only thing that I'm questioning is that Fed simply didn't have any competition (nothing to take away from him tho, he had to play whoever was on the other side of the net)... Djokovic had to overcome too many things ...
     
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    I am highly skeptical that you are as "seasoned" a tennis enthusiast as you purport to be. If you were you would not be making such empty, biased and emotionally motivated rhetorical statements. I think you are simply trying to lend "credibility" to your statements by stating as such and having Borg as your avatar. Your posts reek of immaturity.


    Contrary to what you say, you are indeed trying to diminish Federer's stature by implying he had no competition. Do not try to be disingenuous in this regard. Federer had plenty of competition but he made his contemporaries during his peak years look mediocre by comparision because HE WAS JUST THAT DAMN GOOD!!! -- DEAL WITH IT!!!. I won't even go into the hows, whats or whys because I know that will ultimately be a useless endeavor with the likes of you.

    Djokovic is a great player in his own right. He doesn't need a sycophant like you to big him up by uselessly trying to belittle Federer's accomplishments and all that he has achieved.
     
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    you can be as skeptical as you wanna be .. I don't really care... (and yes I was very honest about Jmac vs. Borg match, but you can take it anyway you want too...) no, I'm not trying to diminish anything (Roger is God, whatever) ... tell me who were Rog's competitors? Hewitt, Roddick, please ... help me out to understand this ... just another silly ******* .... and no, Fed was not that good, he was simply playing with a bunch of nobodies ... Nadal would still kick his *** pretty much anywhere (except maybe indoor courts, and nobody gives a **** about that)

    Novak is #1, you deal with it too.... oh, does it hurt? too bad, too sad

    yeah, Fed is that good,, shanking everything left and right ... whatever. I'm so happy that both Nadal and Djokovic can teach him a lesson, a stupid arrogant Swiss.
     
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  24. celoft

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    Just RG for Nadal and less than six.
     
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