What if Lendl won wimbledon, mac won FO, etc

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  1. ttwarrior1

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    How would the legacy be if Lendl had won wimbledon, johny mac won french open, courier winning wim, borg winning a us open, becker winning a french open, etc

    whose legacy would of changed the most?
     
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  2. bluetrain4

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    I'd add Edberg as well, as he lost in a 5-set French Open final.

    All legacies would be enhanced, obviously, some more than others.

    Lendl (adding Wimbledon) would be a 9-time Slam champ with a career Grand Slam.

    Borg (US Open) would be a 12-time Slam champ with wins on all surfaces

    Mac (French Open) would be an 8-time Slam champ with wins on all surfaces.

    Edberg (French Open) would be a 7-time Slam champ with a career Grand Slam. I added Edberg and took away Becker since Edberg was actually in a French Open final.

    Courier (Wimbledon) would be a 5-time Slam champ with wins on all surfaces.

    Not sure if these players should be on the list, since they never made the final in a "missing piece." But, anyway:

    Jimmy Connors (French Open) would be a 9-time Slam champ with a career Grand Slam.

    Becker (French Open) would be a 7-time Slam champ with a career Grand Slam.

    Wilander (Wimbledon) would be an 8-time Slam champ with a career Grand Slam.

    Not sure if you're asking what would happen if ALL of these things happened, or if we're going down the list and asking what would happen to this ONE player's legacy if he was the only one on the list to add a Slam.

    If they ALL have the added Slam, not much changes in relative terms since they're all filling in missing pieces (some to achieve career Grand Slams, some to get 3 of the 4 and wins on all surfaces.)

    If just one player has the added Slam, I'm not sure. I think Lendl's legacy would benefit the most. For some reason, maybe unfairly, that missing Wimbledon is seen as a more glaring omission for Lendl than the missing Slams are from the other players.
     
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  3. timnz

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    Lendl would have loved today's grass. Even high bouncing grass.
     
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    Good post. Sums it up in a nutshell.
     
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    Imagine if he did it in 1988. Calendar Grand Slam...
     
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  6. Lefty78

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    I think the fact that Lendl himself placed so much emphasis on winning Wimby has a lot to do with this.
     
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  7. TMF

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    I would say Lendl because he would earn a Career Slam which is not far behind Laver's 1969 GS. McEnroe win the FO in 1984 would earn him 3 out 4 slam that year, best win/loss record, and arguably ranked #1 greatest season of all time.
     
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  8. hoodjem

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    Gotta agree. Pretty much true.
     
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  9. Great Uncle Bulgaria

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    If McEnroe had won the French in 1984 I am sure he would have gone to Australia and won, giving him a CYGS.
     
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  10. kiki

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    Borg would probably be considered the GOAT if he´d only won a single US open title.
     
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  11. FedericRoma83

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    I feel the same for Lendl at Wimbledon. Or at least, a Career Slam achieved in the strongest era of the sport would have been a solid claim.
     
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  12. kiki

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    No doubt.But Borg had that extra greatness magic.a US title would have been talked by all the world in that time.
     
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  13. FedericRoma83

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    Not for me. I mean, I like him very much but I've some troubles to empathize with him. On the contrary, when I watch Lendl, I'm there suffering :D
     
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  14. kiki

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    Certo.Lendl is one of the players I have witnessed most.I´ve undergone any kind of emotional experience with him: like,admire,hate,respect,disrespect,ignore...a true emotional learning.same for Connors,Mac,Nastase and a few more ( Borg, I never loved him but I just admired him, he had such an aurea that you don´t see anymore)
     
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  15. TMF

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    Borg still wouldn't have a Career Slam with a USO win.
     
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  16. FedericRoma83

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    During his era the AO was not important, so it wouldn't have affected his achievement. Anyway, after a US Open victory, he surely would have played the AO.
     
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    He´d have finally played the aussie if he had won Flushing.You know, in his time, the Masters/WCT titles were vastly more important than the Melbourne one, so he won all the majors except the open.
     
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  18. Kirijax

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    Most of the players back then had their one tournament they could not win. Nowadays, we have to go to the Davis Cup, WTF, or the Olympics to find something they haven't won. Interesting the way it all changes.
     
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    This is not because todays players are better but rather because of surface homogenization. For instance, Wimbledon going from being a fast court event to a medium paced court event
     
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  20. ttwarrior1

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    yes i agree, the goat if borg won us open, and same as lendl
     
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  22. ttwarrior1

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    Just not that many clay court specialists now
     
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  23. Sabratha

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    Are you kidding? Look at the top 10. There's two there alone, and about five or six on the cusp of the top 20, or in the top 20.
     
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  24. hoodjem

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    Would this change our valuation of the career Grand Slam, because it would have been much more routine?
     
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