What if no one won??

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  1. heycal

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    Anyone see where my thread went about what happens if there is no winner in a Grand Slam event? We had a good discussion going about whether sooner or later, given how tough pro tennis is getting lately, we'd ever see a tournament where none of the 128 players entered could win 7 matches in a row to claim the title.
     
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    I used the search feature and couldn't find it. Was the thought just too upsetting for people to handle?
     
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    It disseapeared in a whirlwind of circular logic. Maybe it's went on to an alternate universe in where there could be no winner in a Slam :)
     
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  5. heycal

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    Quite possibly. But if it does happen someday, or if more than one player manages to win 7 matches in a row due to improvements in conditioning and modern equipment, people are going to just have to accept it.

    Change happens, folks. We need to embrace it rather than fear it.
     
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  6. woodrow1029

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    I really hope you all are just kidding, but in the final, the 7th round at the US Open, is the 5th set tiebreak going to just keep going and going and going?
     
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    i'm not grasping the idea. how could there be no winner in a major final?
     
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  8. heycal

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    Hard to say. It's also possible than there is not even a final, because no two players could even win 6 in a row to reach it, or there are multiple finals, because several players won 6 in a row.

    Anything could happen, so it's useless to speculate.
     
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    you should all know that heycal is just screwing with the minions.
     
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    I'm pretty sure that if, say a half-dozen years ago or so, Kournikova and Dementieva had met in a final, the match would still be going and indeed, there would be no winner...and you know why.
     
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  11. woodrow1029

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    I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE, THATS FUNNY RIGHT THERE!
     
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    Any one who believes that there cant be a winner to a tournament is a Idiot. There has to be one winner and one loser for every match. Two people cant reach the finals and both lose. If federer and nadal both reach the finals and nadal plays like me and federer plays like my sister even though they are both playing awful one has to win.

    Nadal would win because I could rock my sister anyday
     
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    woodrow knows whereof I speak!
     
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    If ya think of it as some1 having to win 7 matches in a row, you might see it as possible for no one to win. But thats impossible. Just look at a draw. There is a winner & loser of every match which leads up til the final & some1 has to win the final.
     
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  15. woodrow1029

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    fault, fault, fault, fault, fault, fault, fault.. lol
     
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    You must think outside the service box, grasshopper.
     
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    You guys keep looking at past results to predict future results, and that's not always reliable. Unexpected things do happen in tennis.

    I'm confident sooner or later there will be a GS where no one plays well enough to win 7 matches in a row.
     
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    You don't have to outrun the bear, you only have to outrun the other guy.
     
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    Once again, rule of competition: it is impossible for anyone to play forever in a match. Either the match will be called and whoever is ahead wins or someone eventually forfeits (or faints, or in a case we should never see, dying, of exhaustion.) Someone eventually has to win.
     
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    But what if there was a really tough draw?

    That's all well and good, except in tennis there are no bears -- or animals of any kind -- involved. Tennis is not horse racing or polo. Therefore it stands to reason that someday someone might not be able to win 7 matches in a row.
     
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    What if not a single player showed up to the tourney?
     
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    what is there was like 5th set 2 sets to 2 sets 4 games to 4 games 15-30, the serving player serves and lands and breaks his femur and then as the returning player returns the ball with a 2 handed backhand his arms break off and he doesnt make it into the other court it woul be all tied? yes it would yes it would no winner
     
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    This was posted in the May 2005 edition of Inside Tennis:

    'After his defeat by fellow Zambian Musumba Bwayla, Lighton Mdewayl said, “Musumba Bwayla is a stupid man and he’s a hopeless player. He has a huge nose and is cross-eyed. Girls hate him. He beat me because my jock strap was too tight and because when he serves, he farts, and that made me lose my concentration for which I am famous for throughout Zambia.” '

    Now that was a match with NO winners.:wink:
     
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    i think i just sharted :shock:
     
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    We're not talking about freak occurances, or matches that can't be completed for some reason. We are talking about a tournament where nothing out of the ordinary happens, it's just that no player can manage to win 7 matches in a row. (Or more than one player wins 7 in a row.)
     
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  26. woodrow1029

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    Freak occurences are the only way it will happen. Just everyone stop answering. It's so stupid.
     
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    So how did we resolve this one, fellas? Only a matter of time until it happens?
     
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    Pictures are always good in explaining things. How about drawing us a hypothetical draw where that will happen?
     
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    It's not about pictures and charts and graphs and the like. It's about the difficulty of winning 7 matches in a row.
     
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  31. woodrow1029

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    I just can't believe that this thread has been on since October and not deleted yet.
     
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  32. heycal

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    Don't be threatened by change, Woodrow. Nothing stays the same forever.
     
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    you're basing it on the presumption that it's possible for nobody to win 7 in a row and the fact is it isn't.
     
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    That's the spirit. We can only get closer to the answer with more quantum leaps such as these posts.
     
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    Winning 7 matches in a row is very difficult. We routinely see 127 players fail to achieve this feat at a Grand Slam. Who's to say there won't come a day when 128 fail to achieve it? That's less than a mere 1 percent increase in the number of players who can't win 7 matches in a row. And you're saying that's impossible??
     
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  36. woodrow1029

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    One thing that will stay the same forever is the stupidity of this thread as long as it is on the forums.
     
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  37. kimbahpnam

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    yup. impossible.
     
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  38. heycal

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    That's not being very open-minded. Can we perhaps agree on unlikely instead of impossible?
     
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    I can think of over a dozen slams over the past five years that no one won. So I don't think it's that big a deal, except it's sad for the sport of course.

    Also, it's more than 128 players, because there is all kinds of qualies, pre-qualies, dirty WC politics, bribery, embezzlement, etc. This thread is misplaced though it seems, as it belongs in General Pro Discussion. Moderator, please move accordingly. Thank you.
     
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    I've run a computer simulation. The odds are less than 1 to 10. Therefore, it's impossible.
     
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    What did they come out to exactly? Something like 1 in 20 or so?
     
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    Hey I like this thread. Is the tennis version of "if a tree fall in a forest and there's no one to hear it, does it make noise?"
    The amazing thing really is that being so difficult to win seven matches in a row in a best of five against the best players on the planet there still people that can do it. That the miracle part. It would be much normal that there wasn't nobody capable of doing it :)
     
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    Do you guys think this year's French Open could be the first tournament without a winner?

    As for the naysayers, keep this in mind: no one thought Nadal was beatable in Paris, and looked what happened yesterday.:confused:

    The competition has just gotten too good. The day when no player can win 7 matches in a row may be very near at hand...
     
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    i personally believe that this year's french open will be the first year that nobody manages to win
     
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    you won't let this thread die will you?
     
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    I disagree, the players are so good that that two, maybe even three champions will be crowned on both the men's and the women's divisions this year.
     
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    You don't think Nadal's shocking loss calls for another look at this issue?

    Well, I don't know... I mean, Nadal has lost, Jokervic has lost, Ivanovic lost, Federer was pushed to five sets... Given all that, I think this French Open is more likely to result in no winners than multiple winners, IMHO.
     
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    i think we are all missing the REAL question here...how long until the paradigm shift is fully complete and all 128 entrants are good enough to win the same slam? personally i think the racquet head sizes are too small for that to happen soon, but it WILL eventually. however, i believe the women will be just behind, having to hit rock bottom of having nobody win a slam one year before making the turn towards everyone winning. rafa losing in paris was the men's rock bottom, so they are obviously one step ahead.
     
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    To strive for perfect political correctness and makes every player equal and have fair chance, starting next year, every player, boys and girls will be declared as winners regardless of match results. Prize money will be divided among all the players, officials, ballboys, i mean ballkids, ballmodels, janitors, etc...
     
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    You're all missing the REAL question.

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