What if Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal didn't exist?

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  1. Mainad

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    If Federer and Nadal didn't exist, this forum probably wouldn't exist for us to discuss what might have happened if they didn't exist! ;)
     
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  2. pvaudio

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    This is a slightly silly discussion, because Federer and Nadal simply reset the standard in tennis. You must ask the question if Djokovic and Murray would even be pushed to the level they are now if Federer and Nadal weren't around.
     
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  3. Alchemy-Z

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    Lots of Spanish players in the top 10 - you gotta figure Nadal ended almost all their chances in the slams.

    Verdasco (AO 09)
    Ferrer (Multiple FO's)


    the Main thing that would change is Roddick would be a 7+ slam winner.
    and Isner would probably have a Slam at this point.

    and I don't think Novaks 2011 would have happened without them.. I think after years of being in the shadow he knew he would have to burn bright to come to the surface and changes training/diet..etc and laid down an awesome season...without fedal he never gets pushed to his potential.
     
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  4. NatF

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    2003 Wimbledon: Andy Roddick (Roddick only wins one of these I think)
    2003 US Open: Andy Roddick (Roddick only wins one of these I think)
    2004 Australian Open: Lleyton Hewitt
    2004 French Open: Gaston Gaudio
    2004 Wimbledon: Andy Roddick
    2004 US Open: Lleyton Hewitt
    2005 Australian Open: Marat Safin
    2005 French Open: Mariano Puerta
    2005 Wimbledon: Lleyton Hewitt
    2005 US Open: Hewitt or Agassi, probably Andre Agassi IMO
    2006 Australian Open: Baghdatis
    2006 French Open: David Nalbandian
    2006 Wimbledon: Mario Ancic or Marcos Baghdatis
    2006 US Open: Andy Roddick
    2007 Australian Open: Fernando Gonzalez
    2007 French Open: Nikolay Davydenko
    2007 Wimbledon: Richard Gasquet
    2007 US Open: Andy Roddick (he played a better match than Novak against Federer, has the experience and seems to match up well with early Novak)
    2008 Australian Open: Novak Djokovic
    2008 French Open: Novak Djokovic
    2008 Wimbledon: Marat Safin
    2008 US Open: Novak Djokovic
    2009 Australian Open: Fernando Verdasco
    2009 French Open: Del Potro
    2009 Wimbledon: Andy Roddick
    2009 US Open: Del Potro
    2010 Australian Open: Andy Murray
    2010 French Open: Robin Soderling
    2010 Wimbledon: Andy Murray
    2010 US Open: Novak Djokovic
    2011 Australian Open: Novak Djokovic
    2011 French Open: Novak Djokovic
    2011 Wimbledon: Novak Djokovic
    2011 US Open: Novak Djokovic
    2012 Australian Open: Novak Djokovic
    2012 French Open: Novak Djokovic
    2012 Wimbledon: Andy Murray
    2012 US Open: Andy Murray

    My picks, Djokovic is GOAT :shock:
     
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  5. Flash O'Groove

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    Only counting the year and the surfaces these guys were in form:
    Roddick lost 8 times to Fed in slam, Hewitt and Davydenko 4 times, Söderling 7 times (on all surfaces), Djokovic 11 times, Murray 7 times.

    Sod suffered more that what I thought.
     
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  6. NatF

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    That's alot of losses...
     
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  7. kalyan4fedever

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    This.......
     
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  8. Flash O'Groove

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    I didn't counted Hewitt loss at RG against Nadal because he is not considered a good clay courter (and because these loss happened when he was 20ish). But he might be underrated.

    At RG he lost to Costa, Ferrero, Gaudio, Nadal (4 times), Ferrer. In master 1000 he played few tournaments on clay, but lost to Moya (twice), Corretja, Federer, Nadal.
     
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  9. Hitman

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    Sampras would likely have been sitting on eight Wimbledon titles.
     
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  10. NatF

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    Hewitt was done after 2005 I think. But he could have nabbed, AO 2004, US Open 2004, Wimbledon 2005 and US Open 2005 if there had been no Federer.

    Roddick would probably be a 3 time Wimbledon champion and a 3 time US Open champion.
     
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  11. abmk

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    2003 wim : roddick
    2003 USO : roddick
    2004 AO : nalbandian
    2004 FO : gaudio
    2004 wim : roddick
    2004 USO : hewitt
    2005 AO : safin
    2005 RG : puerta
    2005 wim : hewitt
    2005 USO : hewitt
    2006 AO : davydenko
    2006 RG : nalbandian
    2006 wim : ancic
    2006 USO : roddick
    2007 AO : gonzalez
    2007 RG : davydenko
    2007 wim : gasquet
    2007 USO : roddick
    2008 AO : djokovic
    2008 RG : djokovic
    2008 wim : safin
    2008 USO : djokovic
    2009 AO : verdasco
    2009 RG : delpo
    2009 wim : roddick
    2009 USO : delpo
    2010 AO : davydenko
    2010 RG : soderling
    2010 wim : murray
    2010 USO : djokovic
    2011 AO : djokovic
    2011 RG : djokovic
    2011 wim : djokovic
    2011 USO : djokovic
    2012 AO : djokovic
    2012 RG : djokovic
    2012 wim : murray
    2012 USO : murray
    2013 AO : djokovic


    so we have :

    djokovic : 11 majors
    roddick : 6 majors
    hewitt : 5 majors
    murray : 3 majors
    safin : 3 majors
    davydenko : 2 majors
    nalbandian : 2 majors
    delpo : 2 majors

    gaudio, puerta, ancic, gonzalez,verdasco, soderling with a major each ...
     
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  12. tipsa...don'tlikehim!

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    ancic :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
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  14. abmk

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    ancic was a fine grass-courter who was hampered by the slowing down @ wimbledon and his own injury problems. He played an excellent match vs federer in the QF in 2006 wimbeldon. Just that federer was at his very best ..
     
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  15. President

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    It's very hard to say who would win these slams because confidence and momentum are a very big part of tennis. If Nalbandian had won one slam, whose to say that he wouldn't have got very motivated and become a much better and more consistent player than he eventually became and win 5+ slams.
     
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  16. glovesaves35

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    2003 Wimbledon: Roddick
    2003 US Open: Roddick
    2004 Australian Open: Safin
    2004 French Open: Gaudio
    2004 Wimbledon: Roddick
    2004 US Open: Agassi
    2005 Australian Open: Safin
    2005 French Open: Coria
    2005 Wimbledon: Roddick
    2005 US Open: Hewitt
    2006 Australian Open: Davydenko
    2006 French Open: Nalbandian
    2006 Wimbledon: Berdych
    2006 US Open: Davydenko
    2007 Australian Open: Roddick
    2007 French Open: Davydenko
    2007 Wimbledon: Gasquet
    2007 US Open: Davydenko
    2008 Australian Open: Djokovic
    2008 French Open: Djokovic
    2008 Wimbledon: Murray
    2008 US Open: Murray
    2009 Australian Open: Roddick
    2009 French Open: del Potro
    2009 Wimbledon: Roddick
    2009 US Open: del Potro
    2010 Australian Open: Murray
    2010 French Open: Soderling
    2010 Wimbledon: Murray
    2010 US Open: Djokovic
    2011 Australian Open: Djokovic
    2011 French Open: Soderling
    2011 Wimbledon: Murray
    2011 US Open: Djokovic
    2012 Australian Open: Djokovic
    2012 French Open: Djokovic
    2012 Wimbledon: Murray
    2012 US Open: Djokovic
    2013 Australian Open: Djokovic

    Roddick, Davy and Murray are the big winners from my pov
     
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  17. Federer20042006

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    Typical revisionist history by an idiot. Ancic was an excellent young player who was on his way to being a perennial Top 10 player before the mono stopped him.

    In 2004, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion Ancic was going to win Wimbledon some day.
     
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  18. Federer20042006

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    The bigger issue nobody is talking about is that if Federer and Nadal weren't there, the seeds (and therefore the draws) would've been completely changed.
     
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  19. Sabratha

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    He also had an excellent run to the SF round at Wimbledon in 2006. If he didn't meet Federer he would have won for sure.
     
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  20. PCXL-Fan

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    Roddicks confidence and game was incredibly derided and derailed by Federer. Had Roddick not been confounded and shutout slam after slam after slam after slam by Federer and he would likely have continued to grow as a player, and not have the dip he had after early 2006. We'd also see him continue to play some great tennis to 2011-2012.

    Roddick #7-8 slams.
     
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