What is Federer's most impressive achievement so far?

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What is Federer's most impressive achievement so far?

  1. 10 Slams

    23.3%
  2. 10-1 record in slam finals

    10.7%
  3. 7 straight slam finals

    15.7%
  4. most consecutive weeks at #1

    15.7%
  5. 4 straight Wimbledons

    3.8%
  6. 3 straight US Opens

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  7. winning at least 3 titles in Australia, US, Wimbledon

    5.0%
  8. Two 3 slam seasons('04 & '06)

    8.2%
  9. winning 3 consecutive slams twice

    5.0%
  10. winning the US/Wimbledon double 3 straight years

    12.6%
  1. Moose Malloy

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    thought I would post this before Sunday, since that is when all this may take a backseat.

    Its a tough call, but the Wimbledon/US Open double impresses me the most(it understandably doesn't get as much attention as the French/Wimbledon double, but I think historically these are the 2 most prestigious events)
    No one had won these 2 events in consecutive years since Budge in '37/'38, so 3 straight years is unreal.

    Sampras & McEnroe only did this double twice in their careers.
     
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  2. chris1992

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    defeating sampras at wimbledon. from there he has never looked back
     
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  3. Andres

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    7 straight finals, IMO
     
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  4. dh003i

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    I think #2, 10-1 record in slams (that is, slam finals). What about you, Moose?

    I also think his 2 3-slam seasons are very impressive, which goes along with his win-ratio over the last 3 years. Amazing consistency in excellence.

    If he wins the FO this year, that'll cap the most impressive feat of his career so-far: winning all 4 slams in a row (non-calendar); and set him up for the possibility of an even greater feat, the Grand Slam.
     
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  5. tHotGates

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    Consistency & focus. The high level of play for such an extended stretch is nothing short of amazing.
     
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  6. rommil

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    Being able to play effortless looking strokes and maintaining high quality tennis with minimal injuries.
     
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  7. TheTruth

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    Befriending would be rivals off the court so as to take their mental edge away. He's too nice, they cry, like fools!
     
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  8. MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

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    Have to go with the Consecutive Wimbledon titles, with the loss of only 5 sets in that 4 year period.

    The same could be said for the US open but has lost 7 sets over the 3 year period.
     
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    These choices all overlap each other after the first few. They're all equally impressive really. 4 Wmbs might be slightly cooler than 3 USOs.
     
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  10. VGP

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    Staying with Mirka Vavrinek for so long.

    This is not a slam in any shape or form. I just commend them for staying together through everything......they just seem solid together.
     
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    most consecutive weeks at #1
     
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  12. ktownva

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    Not moving to Monte Carlo. Obliging the press. Not talking smack about Rafa even when getting owned. Being a cool dude, basically.
     
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    Being the model sportsman, on and off court.
     
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    Losing only 4 sets in 26 grand slam matches. That will never be repeated, I think.
     
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  15. TheTruth

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    Uh, he talked a lot of smack about Rafa.

    1. Called him one-dimensional.
    2. Started the mess about how long Rafa took between points. He'll fan the fire with the Djokovic ball bouncing in a minute too, if Djokovic starts beating him.
    3. Publicly asked to be removed from the same floor at the player's hotel.
    4. Accused Rafa's uncle of cheating.

    Model sportsman? Huh?
     
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  16. federerfanatic

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    Even if you are right, you cant fault him for that. You might fault the others for taking the bait, but you cant fault Federer for coming up with that plan. :p
     
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    There is one thats not there, the 24 or 25 consecutive finals.I think thats difficult to do.
     
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  18. federerfanatic

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    Roger Federer is the only player in history to have 2 3-slam seasons within 3 years, and to have 8 slams withint a 3 year period. While part of that is all 4slams were not played regularly by all until the start of the 80s roughly, that is still a very impressive stat. So for me that is the most impressive achivement of this wildly talented player.
     
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  19. Polaris

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    He was telling the truth. Surely, you would know. :p
     
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  20. lordmanji

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    he does everything perfect.
     
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  21. OrangeOne

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    Yeah, I went with this one too. For me, it was a toss-up between this and the 10-1 record.

    10 slams is impressive in itself, but for me it's his ridiculously exceptional consistency that takes the cake....
     
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  22. OrangeOne

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    As others have said, all of the above are honest.

    1. When he called him one-dimensional, it wasn't the insult you make out...
    2. Rafa does break the rules in time terms. Next.
    3. Big deal.
    4. We've all seen it happen.

    Next....
     
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  23. Moose Malloy

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    Yeah, that was my (very close) 2nd choice. I think it says more than just 10 total slams, since not long ago not all the top players played all 4 slams. The winning % says more to where a player stands relative to others. Borg was 11-5, Sampras was 14-4, etc

    There were only 10 choices allowed in the poll. Plus I think think slam records are more important than regular event records.

    Yeah, it is tough to decide, there are no wrong answers. But I think what you mentioned is a factor in why I chose the US Open/Wimbledon double, those events were always played by the best, not many no-shows.
     
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  24. dh003i

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    Moose,

    What do you think about going back to wooden rackets?

    I like the idea of it making the game more well-rounded, but I also think it would result in more UEs and shanks.

    I think it ought to be a goal to bring some more balance back to tennis.

    PS: Here's an idea for an interesting court-surface: grass planted on clay.
     
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  25. Breaker

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    I think the consecutive weeks at #1 record is astounding. Especially the fact that no one has even come close to passing him for three years. If he holds the record and simultaneously breaks the most total weeks at number one record then that would be absolutely amazing.
     
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  26. ktownva

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    Wasn't all of that during one or two tournaments when Camp Rafa was behaving questionably? I think Fed later said that it was over and no longer an issue, and instantly Camp Rafa is cleared. Compare that to the number of times that Fed has gone to lengths to promote Rafa as his rival to help the game. Yeah, he's human and it stings to lose and he'll let his frustration show at times. But he's way more of a model sportsman than a competitive egomaniac.
     
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    I agree with you.

    And I might add: in 2004 he only lost 6 matches, in 2005 he only lost 4 matches and in 2006 he only lost 5 matches.
     
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  28. Moose Malloy

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    Its strange, they can organize a "battle of the surfaces" match but can't put together an exo with wood racquets involving any players. Guess no one is interested in seeing that.

    I'm surprised that most consecutive weeks at #1 is getting so many votes.
     
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    1. If he's so one-dimensional, you'd think the person who's always alluding to his own talent would have a superior h2h over him. He doesn't. He also said anyone who thinks Rafa is only a clay courter is crazy. However, it is an insult, because you shouldn't speak everything that you think, especially to a worldwide press.

    2. Don't forget Djokovic with the 25 times ball bouncing which will become a problem when he starts beating Federer. Federer always finds something snide to say about those who beat him.

    3. Big deal? I have a right to my opinion just like you do with yours. Your next comment is both juvenile and laugable.

    4. I could see it a hundred times, but if I want to comment on it I will. That's what forums are for. An exchange of ideas, not just yours!

    Some of you kill me trying to be dismissive. You just look silly!
     
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  30. Moose Malloy

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    I should change it to '8 straight finals'

    some of you still haven't voted.
     
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  31. dh003i

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    I'm also surprised that anyone cares about longest time at #1 consecutively. Slams are what matters. Sure, the #1 is important, but it just doesn't rank up there with slams, imo. Probably it was more important in Connor's day. Now, if he stays #1 straight for 2, 3, or 4 more years straight, then that gets more impressive imo.
     
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  32. Moose Malloy

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    #1 was even less important in Connors' time(Borg was often considered the real #1 during a lot of Connors' reign, the ITF even created a 'Player of the Year' award since so many thought the ATP ranking was kinda a joke) The slams(well just 2-Wimbledon & the US Open) were what got the most attention in the 70s. As well as some of the big money events.
    Connors wasn't even aware he still had that record when Fed passed him.
    Its funny how much Sampras has changed the way fans/players view tennis history, no one ever said that winning the most majors, or most year end #1's was an important criteria for greatness in the 70s/80s.
     
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  33. dh003i

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    Moose,

    But Sampras focused on the slams for a reason, right? It's not like he invented their importance?

    Maybe he increased their importance, a testament to the great man Sampras.

    I think you had a thread about prior indicators of greatness, which included most prize winnings, in eras where players weren't paid as well.
     
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  34. Moose Malloy

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    No, they were always important. But they weren't equally important as they (arguably) are now. The gap between Wimbledon & the other slams was huge in the 70s/80s. By the 90s they were all equally important. And 'counting' the amount of majors a player had only became common in the 90s(or late 80s)
    For example Borg had 11 majors when he walked away from the game, the record was 12, but I can't find any records of the media/players talking about Borg being close to that record when he won his 10th or 11th major. And they certainly didn't mention it when he retired. Borg may have stuck around if he knew that he would be considered so important a few decades later(& played the AO more). I doubt Borg even knew he was close to that record at the time. It was not widely known. I've read that Emerson didn't even know he had the most slams record until many years after he retired.

    Even Sampras said when he won his 13th major, that that didn't mean he was the best ever, I think he knew it was a relatively "new" record.

    I think the only way a player was considered maybe the best ever in the 70s
    or 80s, is if they won the Calendar Grand Slam(Laver) or Wimbledon a lot(Borg). McEnroe made a comment the other day that he feels a little slighted by this "new" way of judging players, by the amount of total majors. If he knew this would have happened, he said he may have played the Australian more often(which many top players didn't in those days)
     
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  35. dh003i

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    Moose,

    Your knowledge of the history of the game is, as always, impressive. Probably the most knowledgeable person on this board (that I've seen anyways).

    I wonder why the transition happened, in terms of what people thought was important.

    Probably should have different standards of judgement for different eras. I think you can only say which player was the best of his or her era, and even then it's difficult (because time is continuous, so when do you draw the cutoff). Maybe an easier way to do it is year-by-year.

    Connors, Borg, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander all overlapped with one-another. Difficult to separate out the eras. But probably you could say Connors was the best of the 70s.

    Unfortunately, Wiki doesn't list Wimbledon champs year-by-year, but it did list some records, which is how I found out about William Renshaw, who won 14 Wimbledons, 7 singles, 7 doubles (and 6 Wimby singles in a row). He won his doubles playing with his twin brother. Incidentally, he won 3 of his Wimbledon singles titles over his twin brother, Ernest.

    Unsurprisingly, all of his wins over his twin brother were either 5 setters, or a close 4-setter:

    6-1, 2-6, 4-6, 6-2, 6-2
    2-6, 6-3, 6-3, 4-6, 6-3
    7-5, 6-2, 4-6, 7-5

    His twin brother won 1 Wimbledon singles. Bizarre difference. (unless they were fraternal, not identical twins).
     
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  36. dh003i

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    In retrospect, Federer better just keep on playing until he drops if he wants to be considered the GOAT, if the standards change again...
     
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  37. Shaolin

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    This one is amazing.

    Federer won 24 straight finals from the tournament in Vienna in October 2003 through the tournament in Bangkok in September 2005. This streak was a new open era record, breaking the previous record of twelve straight final wins, shared by John McEnroe and Borg.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_held_by_Roger_Federer
     
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    I wouldn't put too much weight on old records like that. I think in those days if you were defending champion, you only had to play the winner of an elimination tournament to win the title again.

    Also, doubles is a bit demanding for the modern players to also play, so you can't hold it against them for not winning any.

    And tennis was not a global sport in those days.
     
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  39. Roger is Boring

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    ....and Roger has manage to irritate the hell out of you and make you eat your words. That's just priceless.
     
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    federer's had such amazing and unbelievable achievements in the sport, and its so hard to pick apart one as the most impressive...but i could say winning 3 slams in a row, because he makes it seem so easy....he had the chance to win 4 slams in a row last year....he came up short...so he just went around in a circle for one year, and here we are again...he's 1 match away from winning 4 slams in a row...
     
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    Fed's most impressive achievement will be.............winning 20 grand slams.......wait, let's make it 21.
     
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  43. Roger is boring is boring

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    repetitive/compulsive rituals, that would make a robotic personality!:D
     
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    1. Nadal is primarily a baseliner, what else would you call him? An allcourter? That's laughable.

    2. Nadal gets called on time violations all the time. It's not just Federer, it's ALOT of other players.

    3. Point taken.

    4. Nadal's uncle has been known to throw signals at times, he has also had some past violations.


    3 out of 4, not bad.


    Federer's human, not god. I'd be pretty annoyed to if I got beat by a guy who only knows how to hit forehands in one direction.
     
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  45. TheNatural

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    greatest achievement . He beat the Goat once at Wimbledon. He can tell all the grand kids .
     
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  46. TheNatural

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    Maybe no one talked about Borgs majors because he played in a weak Era until Mcenroe came along.

     
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  47. Moose Malloy

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    Fed is now 10-2 in slam finals, still an amazing %. Guess the poll options here are still debatable, after the final.

    Guess you missed my previous comment on Mac & his opinion on "most majors" and what that meant his time.

    Mac skipped the Australian Open(which was on grass) in '77,'78,'79,'80,'81,'82,'84. Considering his record at Wimbledon those years(& the fact that he was #1 during 3 of those AOs) I think judging him solely on amount of majors is a little unfair.

    The talked about Borg's Wimbledon titles a lot during his time, just not his total amount of majors(which they do a lot today)
     
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    For me, the 10 Grand Slams is the most impressive. That's what will outlive Federer himself, or whatever the total is when he does hang it up. The rest of the stuff is great, no doubt, but it's going to wind up being mostly trivia stuff that only folks like us would know.
     
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  49. Moose Malloy

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    But I think the kinds of majors are important, not just the # of majors. If Borg or Sampras won 10+ majors & had no Wimbledons(or only one or 2) I seriously doubt they would have had as much attention as a GOAT type that they did.

    Federer has 4 Wimbledons, in addition to 10 majors, that's the important aspect of his 10 majors. Even he has said(at least as of last year) that he would rather win Wimbledon than the French, because it is the most important tournament to him, regardless of the fact he hadn't won the French.

    Imagine a player with 3 FOs, 3 US, & 4AO, 10 total majors. I doubt that player would be called a possible GOAT(& Lendl came very close to being that player)
     
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    Any excuse will do!
     
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