What is going on with Fed?

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  1. burosky

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    What's going on with Fed? First, he loses to Nalbandian then he squeaks by the 56th ranked player - Berrer. Isn't he supposed to be superman? ;)
     
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  2. sureshs

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    I was thinking the same thing now. Is this the beginning of the end?

    He might never equal Sampras' Slam record, let alone win the French, the way he is playing.

    He should consider retiring while still in his prime. His "Plan B" is not very good, as he relies too much on precise timing because of his small racquet. When the timing goes, his UEs multiply. His backhand of course is always suspect.
     
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  3. lambielspins

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    He is playing the worst tennis he has played since becoming #1. He seems too stubborn and egotistical to even recognize it and get a coach which atleast is worth a try to help his sadly declining game. The fact he got lucky and won Wimbledon and the U.S Open with uninspired, unimpressive, ugly, and quite lucky victories only is likely to fuel his false delusion about his diminishing game and play.
     
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  4. CyBorg

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    Yeah - he's finished. Let the Ernests Gulbis era begin.
     
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  5. harrpau7

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    Without any of the stupid replies what we are likely to see in this thread (see above), I just think that Fed is winding down for the end of the season.

    To be honest it would not surprise me if Fed didn't win Basel, I am still hoping that he will play Paris next week, if he went out early(ish) in Basel, then I think he would be ready for Paris, as it is a title he hasn't won, and Fed has 'only' won 2 Masters Series titles.

    I think at the Masters Cup, Fed will turn it up a notch, and will sweep everyone away before him.
     
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  6. sureshs

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    He will definitely make it to the Hall of Fame even if he retired now.
     
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  7. AAUS

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    you guys have some pretty short term memory with federer, you dont remember him struggling with lower ranked players during the season, cause its happened to him almost every year hes been #1
    The fact is hes still only losing matches to quality opponents and winning in the majors
     
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  8. icazares

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    Many of you talk as if the field wasn't competitive. You have hundreds of thousands of people dreaming to be tennis pros or at least semi-pros. It's no surprise that the best 100 of the world are all exceptional athletes and that any of them can give a tough time to the very best. And of course any of them would give us (I mean the people in this forum) an embarassing beating, probably holding us to 0, 1 or 2 games (and that's assuming that some people in this forum have a superb serve). I don't understand why we talk as if tennis was easy... we know very well is not. Now, if Federer is in decline is yet to be seen, but as long as he continue winning and finding his way through to the finals that argument is weak.
     
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  9. BurghKing

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    How many times has Fed lost this year....6 or 7 times? Regardless, the man finds a way to win. It doesn't matter if he wins pretty or ugly because it goes in the record book as a W, and that is all that matters. When you play as many matches as these guys against so many quality opponents, it is only natural to struggle occasionally. For those of you who only follow the Top 10 players in the world, it might come as a shock to realize that players 50-500 are pretty darn good themselves. They would whip any of us on this site in no time. When another pro finally steps up and makes it to 8 straight Grand Slam finals, even without playing his best, then maybe we can say Fed is declining...
     
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  10. Fries-N-Gravy

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    he's that good that everyone started to believe the rest of the top 100 are really that bad. there are many players who can/have/will defeat federer. but until they start to win lots of big tourneys, win big matches, win GSs, it really doesn't matter.
     
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  11. bluetrain4

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    I do think that Fed is on the slight downside of his career, but nothing is particularly wrong. This happens to every player. What he has accomplished between 2004 and 2007 is just insane. We can't expect that to last forever.

    There's more players who are used to him and can at least fathom beating him, even if they rarely do.

    I suspect he will at least tie Sampras' record, but I don't know about the French. I think he'll still come up with amazing tennis, but also have more irregular losses and a few more off days.

    But, again, this is normal for anybody.

    It would be cool if he pulled an Agassi and went insane with fitness and tried to acheive a lot into his early 30s, but he's not exactly at a desperate crossroads.

    As for this very moment, I wouldn't pay much attention at all. It's the end a very long season. I'm sure at some level he cares about performance and winning, but on antother level isn't really that concerned. The fall season is great, but really not a window into anything.

    I'll make my real judgments about where he's at when the Australian Open rolls around.
     
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  12. Sliceboy2

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    I'd say Fed is not pushing as hard. He just capture USO. Well see if these guys could beat Fed again specially in the majors.
     
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  13. rosenstar

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    I agree. people on this board are ridiculous. the man won 3/4 GS's this year, and you critisize him for loosing one tournament? First of all, Nalbandian was playing some of his best tennis if he beat nadal and joker in the same tourni.

    and as far as "squeaking by the 56th ranked player," you put too much emphasis on the score of a match. It really doesn't matter if Fed wins 6-0, 6-0 or 6-7, 7-6, 7-6. either way has the same effect on the rankings.

    also, I believe this was his first tournament since the US open? I think he's allowed to be a little rusty.

    not to mention that now that the season's coming to a close, fed might not be as motivated to compete. He's had a long season and for the second or third year in a row, he's won 3/4 GS's.

    just to sum it up, give this guy a break. He's a truly amazing player, better at least 99% of his critics, including all of us on this forum. I think he's allowed to loose every now and then.
     
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  14. Jack the Hack

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    "I’m now having to explain why I lost a set. It’s almost laughable,” Federer said. “It happens. I wish I could have played better in the second. I was struggling on serve and on the baseline. But I never felt 100 percent comfortable all match.”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21406689
     
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  15. Wolbo

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    Make that 10 straight Grand Slam finals. :p
     
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  16. lambielspins

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    There is no question the quality of his own tennis has been way down the last 8 months from what it used to be. That cant be attributed just to his opponents, it is too obvious in watching him play, his own mechanics, strategy, footwork, etc...Others playing better may have a part in more losses, but since the much reduced quality of his own tennis is so blatantly apparent that obviously has alot to do with his being much less successful too.

    It is unfortunate in many ways he won Wimbledon and the U.S Open. The reason I say that is it probably creates a false delusion in his own mind where his game is really heading at the moment, and losing at one or both may have served as a wakeup call to really examine where his game has been heading lately. Both really ought to not have happened the way he performed. He won both with uninspired, unimpressive, ugly tennis, and was quite lucky in both. The Wimbledon final vs Nadal was pure luck, and other then his serve his play was down the crapper that match, he was even lucky to play a tired Gasquet, and he could have easily lost the first 2 sets to Ferrero who is someone he should not have trouble with on grass to say the least. The U.S Open was even worse, but he just couldnt lose, Federer has such a stranglehold on Roddick that no matter how sluggish Federer is and how great Roddick is there is something that will keep Federer winning everytime, Davydenko for the second straight slam semi could have won in 4 sets and choked and choked due to the Federer aura or something, then Djokovic in the final did his best Dayvdenko interpretation and choked repeatedly.
     
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  17. naffi

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    He needs a coach, or he can kiss the rest of his career goodbye.

    http://www.tenniswithattitude.blogspot.com

     
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  18. Morrissey

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    Nothing wrong in my mind, yet. I mean this is a small tournament that he's only playing because it's in his home country. He doesn't need to let out the dogs for this event. The Fed that the OP wants to see will show up in Shanghai for sure, if not there then Aussie Open. If not there, well......THEN you can get worried. Short term memories in here for sure. Amazing, in a year that Fed and Nadal won the only slams again they've been accused of being finished and should retire. Hey, is Roddick posting in here by any chance? :)
     
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  19. kingdaddy41788

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    You don't "get lucky" and win Wimbledon OR the US Open, let alone both.

    Retiring while he's still in his prime. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Did Sampras retire in his prime? Agassi? You're a damn fool.
     
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  20. MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

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    Ecxactly, it is laughable how some of his "fans" are ready to jump ship everytime he loses.
     
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  21. Rhino

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    wow, I wish I had £1 for every time someone has said that over the years on this forum.
     
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  22. lambielspins

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    Yes. It is definitely his own ego that makes him believe he does not need a coach. Watching him play these last 8 months it could not be more obvious how much he does need one. The unfortunate thing is all the luck he got at Wimbledon and the U.S Open probably continues the delusion in his mind he doesnt that much more.
     
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  23. Morrissey

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    I don't think he's serious. I think it's said to rile people up. I can't speak for him but I don't think he believes it's over for Fed. I don't like Fed and I have to say that I need to see 2008 slam results to be sure about his state.
     
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  24. BurghKing

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    You're right...he is playing so bad that he has once again won 3 out of 4 Grand Slams. Gosh, I would really hate to not play my best and still beat all of the players that are supposedly going to take my spot. Once again, a win is a win. He will never be perfect because not everyone has the same definition...except for the Hall of Fame which looks at wins and titles. It's hard to deny those numbers.
     
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  25. Morrissey

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    Now you might be on to something here. After a while, you need an outside voice and not the girlfriend. Someone who knows men's tennis. Roche told him the right strategy, but he was frustrated that it didn't work so he canned him.
     
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  26. Stchamps

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    Kiss his career goodbye? Beginning of the end?

    Weren't people saying this same thing when Fed lost in Montreal to Djokovic? Then what happened....Federer came back and dominated in the US Open. I'm not the biggest Fed fan ever, but some of these comments are ridiculous.
     
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  27. rosenstar

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    this is soooooo ridiculous. You cannot intelligently say that fed got lucky at wimbledon and the US Open. He was the best player in the field and he won.

    Roddick and davydinko (I'm a fan of both) are not better than Fed. I hate to admit it, but Roddick played incredible in the quarters, but there was nothing he could do. Federrer played amazing.

    So, what do you think is the difference between playing well, getting lucky, and playing someone who's not as good as you?

    Even if he did get lucky, it doesn't matter. When you're on the court you do what you need to do to win. All that matters is getting the W. Again, do you think the ranking system reflects a player's score? Do you think it ranks players based on how many off days they have? they don't. All the computer that creates the rankings sees is wins and losses.

    I will not deny that Federrer is past his peak, but to say that he still cannot compete with the game's best is Ludacris. And to blame two of his most recent GS victories on luck, that's complete BS.

    again, The guy is an incredible player. He can loose every now and then, it's ok.
     
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  28. burosky

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    I guess I accidentally pushed some buttons with this post. I was just being sarcastic hence the wink. Personally, I don't think anything is wrong. He is still the same Fed. It is just sometimes, other players like Canas, Djokovic, the Italian guy (I forgot the name) and Nalbandian plays one of those matches to remember and wins. I'm not a Fed fan but I do acknowledge that he basically is raising the bar for men's tennis. I'm sure there is a junior out there right now who will raise the bar even higher in the future.
     
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  29. stormholloway

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    People should embrace the moments when there's actually solid competition at these tournaments, rather than spelling doom for Federer's career.

    What a ridiculous thread.
     
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  30. IanRichardson

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    if you guys havent noticed, every time a pro loses a point they are automatically terrible, fat, one dimensional, blah blah blah. At least on this forum they are. Particularly if the pros name happens to be: roddick, blake, isner, nalbandian, federer, or nadal

    I suppose everyone who feels if federer loses then his career is over should just stop playing tennis next time they lose, which if you are dumb enough to think that it is probably going to be your next match. NOBODY wins all the time, especially not in tennis. You guys should know there are a bunch of factors which can cause you to play bad so for someone to lose a match and then it to be over is just insane. Everyone has ups and downs, personally I am in a down right now, but all you can do is keep playing. Federer wont be done until he stops believing he can win, and i dont think that will be for a while. (If he took a look at the forums he might change his mind though, so many haters)

    And to the person who said people on the forum might get a game off top 100 guys really made me laugh. Perhaps there are a few on here who could, but i really doubt it.
     
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  31. burosky

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    Don't be so quick to judge people here in the forum. There might be an active ATP pro lurking here. ;)
     
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  32. Ronaldo

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    Fed is rusty after that US Open break
     
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  33. drakulie

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    Fed just needs to switch to a larger frame. he will be fine. :)
     
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  34. IanRichardson

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    how silly of me :oops:
     
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  35. AlpineCadet

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    You must enjoy beating a dead horse to... well, death.
     
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    ^^ I figured I'd beat the haters to the punch.
     
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  37. FedForGOAT

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    This year was definitely a bit sluggish, but that doesn't mean its the end. Fed could come back and completely dominate next year. I mean seriously, you can't expect every year to be better than the last one.
     
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  38. drakulie

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    ^^ He did domintate this year. He made it to all 4 slam finals (only player on tour), and won 3 of them (only player on tour).
     
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  39. AlpineCadet

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    l can't help but laugh every time I see it written down.
     
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  40. FedForGOAT

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    I meant dominate by his standards. he lost seven matches this year (Oh my!) to players like Canas and Volandri.

    But that's also a great point. Even when he's rusty he can still dominate, so he still has some good year of rusty dominance left in him.;)
     
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  41. pound cat

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    When talking about his matches lately he sometimes talks about about "when I was younger"...as if he sees himself having reach his career peak.

    And how could he not be burning out after all those years of thinking about nothing but setting records and winning titles.

    It's enough to make
    even Federer want to buy a a herd to keep Juliette company and spend his days milking cows, pitching hay, and yodelling.
     
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  42. burosky

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    If anybody else won 3 of the 4 Grand Slams this year, I'd be really shocked. :)
     
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  43. Benjamin007

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    Nothing going on with Fed. Hmmm i guess he manage to sleep well :D.
     
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  44. SoBad

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    Absolutely. It's the Baltic Domination Era (considering Berankis).
     
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  45. FedForGOAT

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    Yeah, I agree. while he didn't seem to get markedly better results with Roche, Roche was an outstanding vollyer and helped Fed work on his all-court game. I think under Roche he was going the right way towards winning FO.
     
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  46. RacquetGoesBoom

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    I'm pretty sure that Federer is only playing the minor tournaments just for practice. You know, where he tries out a few new things he could add to his arsenal for the majors. Even Federer himself said that he sometimes experiments with his shots. Maybe the tournaments are his practice ground.

    Also add the fact that he's chasing down Sampras' 14 GS....what's a loss in a minor tournament going to do to him?? It's the GS that he wants.
     
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