What is hindrance?

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  1. joeri888

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    I was wondering this because of the Delpo-Karlovic incident. What are the rules with regard to hindrance? What does the rulebook say on this? I mean, Acting like you are moving in and then staying back, that isn't hindrance right? Yet it will distract and confuse your opponent, but is somehow legal, while waving your arms would be unlegal (or is it?) what are the exact rules i wonder
     
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  2. Bobby Jr

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    The commentator said it was fine to do what Karlovic did but I think he might be mistaken.
     
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    Delpo missed because he's a moron. In this cases, sometimes it's a subjective matter.
    Karlovic did it in goofy mode, just like Tsonga. Both Karlovic and Delpo laughed after he missed the overhead.

    He was also 50 feet away from him, away from Delpo's line of view, and his positioning wasn't even relevant during the play. In fact, I doubt Delpo even saw him doing it, as he was focused on the ball.

    While I don't think you're allowed to do that, it was just a little crowd-pleasing and not hinderance. Delpo missed it because he missed it. Karlovic had nothing to do with DP missing that shot.
     
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    Pretending to go one direction but not going that direction is called "faking your opponent out." You're not distracting him into missing his shot; just making him probably place it really poorly for the situation.
     
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    That's true. But that's not what Karlovic did. Karlovic stood in the baseline and started waving his arm, like Tsonga did a couple years ago (against Fed?)

    Delpo missed the overhead because he brainfarted, tho' ;)
     
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    My question wasn't about this incident in particular, but more: What is allowed and what's not? What does the rulebook say exactly and how is this normally interpreted?
     
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    If you throw your racket during follow thru and it hits your opponent between the eyes then i think that qualifies as hindrance. I am not sure but someone chime in on this one?
     
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    If you do something purposefully to distract your opponent, it is illegal. If it is accidental, it isn't (such as yelling in pain if you fall). Grunting, obviously, is allowed.

    Basically common sense should tell you if something is allowed or not, you don't have to ask us.
     
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    Sucks that the ATP and the ITF don't put their rulebooks online anywhere.
     
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  11. Tim Tennis

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    Poor sportsmanship

    I could not believe a hindrance was not called. I think it is poor sportsmanship and stupid. Logic says, if it is not intended to distract and hinder your opponent, why do it?

    Interesting, if it is accidental, it is ok? So why don't I give out a loud sneeze right before my opponent hits the ball. I can really sneeze loud. Yikes!
     
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  12. Tim Tennis

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    It all depends on if the ball bounced twice before it hit your opponent.
     
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    Huh? I think you clicked on the wrong thread, my good friend :)
     
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    Fish hindered someone by shouting C'Mon.
     
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  18. woodrow1029

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    Well, it clearly should have been a hindrance, but there's no way that the umpire saw it happen. That's why it wasn't called. The umpire is watching the ball on Del Potro's side, and had no chance to see what Karlovic was doing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWMfLTMdUnE
     
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    If I loose the point whatever my opponent was doing is a hindrance, no exceptions.
     
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  20. Moose Malloy

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    should these have been called as hindrances as well(I know Fed won the 2nd point any way, but the umpire could have called it his point before he even hit that smash)? do you think the umpires didn't see it in either situation?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poea9425vsw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSZvItWSRt4

    have seen this happen more than a few times over the years, it seems like the umpires never call it(usually the right player wins the point anyway & then everyone giggles afterwards)

    Fed didn't look pleased when Kiefer did that at Wimbledon('05 I think) though.
     
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  21. woodrow1029

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    The one with Tsonga definitely should have been a hindrance, but again, the umpire would have been watching the ball on Federer's side, and probably didn't see it happen. The Haas one maybe could have been a hindrance, but it was much more borderline than the other two. But by the rules, probably could have been called a hindrance. Because he just basically put his arms up and didn't really jump around waving them around, I don't think that would be called very often. But, I can almost guarantee that if the umpire had seen Tsonga or Karlovic, a hindrance would have been called prior to the overhead being hit.
     
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    The worst one I can remember is Kiefer vs. Grosjean at Australian Open (2004 maybe?) Where Kiefer threw his racket, and Grosjean missed the shot. And it wasn't called a hindrance. and it was right in front of the umpire. THat one baffled me. But I don't know if there is a video of that one.
     
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  23. Juan Ma Del Pony

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    ^^That was AO 2006, the year Kiefer made the SF at AO. I remember that well. Kiefer was a total d00che in that entire match but that racket-throwing instance was the point that took the cake IMO.
     
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    Didn't Karlovic/Moser do something like this to provoke the Bryans recently? If so Karl is starting to get out of hand with the bush league stuff.
     
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  25. Moose Malloy

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    the match is here, it happens at the 4:24 mark

    http://vault.australianopentv.com/

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/tennis/racquet-toss-mars-marathon/2006/01/25/1138066860505.html
     
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  26. woodrow1029

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    Thanks for finding that Moose.

    The article says that Mike Morrissey took the umpire's side, but it's not exactly worded correctly.

    Bernardes was claiming that Kiefer threw the racket after Grosjean hit the ball, so it wasn't a hindrance. That then becomes a question of fact or judgment. The final authority is with the chair umpire.

    My opinion is that it should have been a hindrance though.
     
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