What is it with Djokovic on match points?

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  1. BreakPoint

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    He did it twice against Federer at the past two US Opens and he did it again against Tsonga today. It's like Djokovic turns into some wide-eyed wild man on match points and just rips the ball as hard as he can without any regard to where it's going and somehow they always go in.

    So is it luck or some kind of bizarre superhuman skill that only he has?
     
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  2. Cesc Fabregas

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    He has a deal with the devil.
     
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  3. Moose Malloy

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    I'm sure there are cases of Djokovic losing match points with wild errors from going for too much, but no one remembers them(he lost 5 times this year, don't remember how he played the match points he lost)

    goran & philippoussis often went for huge 2nd serves down match point or break point, sometimes they made them. sometimes they double faulted.
     
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    Don't worry you'll see that finger wagging on Friday. :)
     
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    I find Djokovic's mental toughness scary.
     
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    The guy is so clutch when it comes to matchpoints :)
     
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  7. mandy01

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    You have to be really clutch to put this guy away. Last year, Roger came through because of that Ace. Anything less, especially a second serve and Djokovic would've evened out in the TB.
     
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    it's the pick of destiny
     
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  9. BreakPoint

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    Still can't believe Djokovic saved 4 match points with ridiculous play in the 4th set and then eventually won the match in the 5th set. Tsonga must be devastated.

    Djokovic is possessed.
     
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    Djesus Clutchovic
     
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    It's "teh gluten".
     
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    It's a strange quality that he has. If you watch footage of his 08 OZ campaign you can see that, as early as back then, whenever his back was squarely against the wall that's when he actually started fighting the fiercest like a lion--it's very pronounced this quality and it's noble IMO.
     
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    Gluten free balls :roll:
    But seriously I have seen him going for broke at set points and match points. Amazingly he pulls it off most of the times at slams.
     
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    Djokovic acts like a cornered ,caged animal when down match points, just thinking he has nothing to lose so goes for broke.

    Basically like this:

    http://youtu.be/1hPxGmTGarM
     
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  15. SwankPeRFection

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    It's not something he controls directly. Sometimes your body just reacts in clutch situations and it comes out great. It's the fight or flee response on a tennis level if you will. The timing and power are just there... some people instinctively have the ability to be in a situation and somehow sense what the next move will be. When that happens in a split second, you're in control of that perfect moment.

    I'm sure some of you have played tennis enough to where you've had a perfect day and it was almost like you knew what the guy was going to try next. It's kind of like that, except when it happens in situations like this, your adrenaline levels get even higher and the time factor slows down even more for you. It's magic when it happens because your opponent has almost no time to react to your actions. Half the time, they don't even see it... Vampire Tennis. ;)
     
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    The irony is that he saved the 1st MP with a smash that clipped the line (when he has been so consistently horrible on them recently)
     
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  17. Fate Archer

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    Have noticed this many times last year, though not necessarily just on matchpoints.
    Even on slightly less important points, as when down breakpoints on his own serve and the like, he would start to play too loosely and with nothing to lose for someone who was in a pressure situation. And he was surprisingly coming through nearly all holes he would get into.

    It's not just his play, it's the "nothing to lose" mindset and attitude that makes him play loosely and more able to overcome challenges, not so bothered by psychological pressures. It's like he's able to momentarily disregard the pressure while being just reasonably aware of his situation, just enough to make the best choices.

    It IS amazing. He seems to not lose any racquet head speed in such moments when actually he should be extremely tight, like most would be... it actually seems like his racquet head speed gets even FASTER in such moments, when he starts brushing the ball even more violently when going for winners or adding consistency to his shots.

    It feels different, it's a different type of clutchness and struggle on pressure situations.

    With Nadal you used to feel like he was destined to get through tough situations, no matter how down he was... everything would line up to him. It was Fate and no one could break from it.

    With Novak... it feels like he's surrounded in a desperate struggle where he is fighting with all his life to CHANGE his fate on the spot... like he did today.

    Clutchest player in the last 1 and a half years, no doubt.
     
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  18. namelessone

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    Word around here is that he is the son of God.
     
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    Absolutely! Even though this match was a loss for Djokovic, he really showed how much better he plays when he swings for the fences.

    He was getting humiliated in the first hour of the match and then started swinging freely and nearly beat Federer
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd2JhMC7dVk
     
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  20. BreakPoint

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    But why only when down match point does he turn into "the son of God"? :confused:
     
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    In the past few years anyway in these big matches, he seems to be almost at peace with the potential loss when he's match point down. So, he is more relaxed than you would think. On the other side of the net, the opponent with the match point is tight (either slightly, or very), so their shots are slightly less precise, sometimes less deep, often less sting, a little more guiding. Their footwork is every so slightly changed by the tension.

    Tsonga really didn't do anything drastically wrong on his match points. Yes, there was that semi-sitter forehand that he netted, but I'm not really sure that Novak would not have tracked that down, and it occurred after the point where Djokovic played insane tennis and hit about three lines in fending off a match point. Tsonga probably felt that he really needed to make something happen because he knew Djokovic wasn't going to give it to him. So, he goes for too much, feet aren't quite set like they had been, he's nervous, and he nets it. It's the only one of the four that he really "blew", IMO.

    The only other glaring mistake I think he made, was when he got the tiebreak back to 6-6, and he missed that rally forehand. He would not have won the point on that shot, but he obviously lost his chance to win the point.
     
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  22. chmee

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    <Exactly, he is not afraid of loosing and goes for it. Very impressive, but no rocket science.
     
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    That semi-setter FH should have gone over the net. Djoker was way outside the court, even if he had got the ball, it would be a lob/ weak pass and Tsonga could have put away that easily.
     
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  24. namelessone

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    That's when God intervenes. :)
     
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    You can't stop destiny. The Son of God can not be stopped.

    The End. :)
     
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  26. FlashFlare11

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    Djokovic is currently the mentally strongest player on tour. I am completely convinced of that after today.
     
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  27. namelessone

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    What do you mean currently, he has been that way since at least USO last year, if not before.
     
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  28. FlashFlare11

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    I always still felt Nadal was a bit stronger. And I don't mean that he just became the mentally strongest, but that I am simply convinced that he is. He has for some time, but I had felt Nadal was stronger, just by a bit.
     
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    Nadals more consistent during the match it seams but Novak is a juggernaut when it comes to match points down lol.

    It's incredible how he does it, it really is.
     
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    Nole has boss status
     
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    What's really incredible is how mentally weak he used to be and how quickly he changed. If there is one thing about Novak that's truly remarkable, it's how quickly his entire attitude about matches changed.
     
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    Well he double faulted on match point vs Rafa in Rome, so not sure there is so much in it.
     
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    That double fault in Rome was certainly a "juggernaut" moment yes.
     
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    True that, it's like different player out there. Rather he plays good from start to finish though. :lol:
     
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  35. pds999

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    I think you may have to face it that 2011 was maybe a blip for Djok, i.e. his form was on another level that he won't reach again. That year was the exception, not the norm.
     
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    Fate archer summed it up the best. Of the top 4, IMO Nole fears losing the least. You can see that in his friendly attitude even when he loses whereas Fed/Rafa/Murray hate losing and seem surly after a loss. When Nole is down he simply decides to make or break his own fate and goes for broke. Admirable approach to the game and somehow things seem to be working favorably for him in the past few GSLAMs when he is match points down :).

    In fact, I used to think that early on in his career he used to take his losses very nonchalantly and that was the main difference between him and Fedal. Those losses need to sting for him to step up mentally against Fedal.
    Fedal simply hate losing and that used to bring out the killer instinct in them early on in their careers. Now that they are older I feel that the fear of losing makes them play very conservative in those situations.
     
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  37. Loose Cannon

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    Thats why he is the Top Ranked player on the Planet........he is super human
     
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  38. Loose Cannon

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    VeryTrue.....

    Goran had zero regard for the 'moment' ie down Match Point......

    He damn near went for record breaking 2nds most of the times.....I loved it!
     
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  39. BreakPoint

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    Well, there have been many top ranked players throughout tennis history but I don't recall them going for broke every time they were down match point.
     
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  40. mcenroefan

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    It's supreme greatness. It's "clutch" ala Michael Jordan clutch.

    He's a very gifted offensive player and striker and we rarely see him just let loose.

    Mentally speaking, I think Nole is the strongest in the game at this point.
     
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    Absolutely...head and shoulders above the rest.

    I also think he is the most gracious in all circumstances.
     
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  42. wangs78

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    It's a combination of luck, his mental strength and his opponents withering in the moment.
     
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  43. sportsfan1

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    Tsonga's sums it up pretty well on his feelings after the match in the quote below:

    From http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/articles/2012-06-05/201206051338922269081.html:

    Tsonga described how he felt as he sat in his chair at courtside immediately after the match ended: “You get all kinds of feelings going through your mind. You want to break your racquet. You want to shout. You want to cry. You want to laugh and say, ‘Oh, come on, that's a joke. How could I lose this match?’ You sort of want to wake up.

    “This is probably the most difficult defeat of my career. I was pretty close. I fought as much as I could. But I can’t play the match again. In tennis you can play very well and still be defeated 6‑0 if the guy on the other side of the net plays better than you. That's the way it is.”
     
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    So sorry for Tsonga, the guy has like the best personality on tour :(
     
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    I think he's just not afraid of losing. As a fan, I obviously don't know the inner workings of Djokovic's mind, but the sense I get from watching his play and his various interviews over the years is that he is an easy going guy, dedicated to tennis, who also is motivated by the fact that he is from a country that was torn apart by war when he was a kid. I honestly don't think he cares (nor should he) if he loses because to be where he is today after what he, his family and his people went through 15 years ago. He just tries his best to win.

    With Fed and Rafa (and much more so with Fed), I get the sense that success in their tennis careers is something that is much more personal. A loss to a rival in a big match is a big blow to their egos. I'm not sure why this is, but that is the sense that I get. I think with Fed part of this is due to having been labeled, pretty early in his career, that he had this very special game of power and elegance that transcended the sport - he was the "perfect" player. And he had so much success early on that as he got challenged more and more over time by the likes of Nadal and Djokovic it was much more personally difficult to accept when in his mind, and the minds of most tennis fans, he was already the anointed king of tennis.

    Because of this I think Fed tends more often to tighten up in key moments against these players. This year is the first year where I think he has finally accepted that he is no longer the king and is in fact only a challenger and I think this has helped him play scrappier (and more successful) tennis.
     
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    I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    I think Djokovic is the best thing that has happened to the sport since Federer came to the scene. He has certainly converted me over to 2nd tier fandom -- the 1st of course will forever and always be Federers.
     
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    ROGER vs. NOVAK

    It's very difficult to explain what happened today, especially because I am a HUGE Federer Fan.

    As much as I loved how ROGER showed mental strength to come back from 2 sets down to win in 5, even I have to agree that NOVAK stole the show today by saving these match points.

    To me, honestly, he shouldn't be in this semi-final. I still can't believe that he saved those match points and went on to win.

    I think in the semi-final it's going to be a HUGE MENTAL battle and brilliant ONSLAUGHT WAR of ATTRITION and I love the fact that 2 days off will allow that to happen.

    All I want is that if ROGER gets to even 1 (even 1 little measle MATCH POINT), that he will TAKE it and FINALLY HAMMER the NAIL in the DKOKOVIC FOREHEAD (I mean Coffin, sorry):twisted:

    But TENNIS GODS might disagree with me and Novak is a slight favourite. I just like that both Won tough 5 setters today which will give the belief and confidence as well as that "I am destined to win" feeling that they'll need to give another CLASSIC!

    I am ready for it! I hope ROger will be ready too!:)
     
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    Hopefully it will be a clash of legendary proportions -- JesusFed vs. the (adopted) Son of God.
     
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    Very good post !
     
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